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SirDuncan


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PostPosted: Tue 09 Jun 2009, 23:22    Post subject: Re: well-taken  

raffy wrote:
Points well-taken. If the revenues will be sufficient, Virtual Private Server is being eyed for puppylinux.org, such as this one by dreamhost.

My site (that I never seem to have time to finish building) is on Dreamhost right now. There was a deal for new users back around January where I got two years of the unlimited bandwidth/space plus my domain for $25 (instead of $200+). That's barely more than the cost of the domain, so I jumped on it despite the fact that I don't have a finished site.

So far it seems to be good hosting. I haven't done anything to stress test it though. One nice thing is that there's an easy Drupal installation method for the server. Thom is right about the CPU/RAM usage though. I think you will have that problem with any host.

Does Hostgator provide some type of log to show you what script is eating up the CPU cycles? Even with the heavy usage the site gets, I just don't think there should be high CPU usage unless there is some runaway process.

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PostPosted: Tue 09 Jun 2009, 23:42    Post subject: Re: well-taken  

SirDuncan wrote:
Thom is right about the CPU/RAM usage though. I think you will have that problem with any host.

Does Hostgator provide some type of log to show you what script is eating up the CPU cycles? Even with the heavy usage the site gets, I just don't think there should be high CPU usage unless there is some runaway process.


I'm in the hosting business.....and when someone with an existing site wants to me with me, I ask a lot of questions....you really need to know:

How much bandwidth does you site use per month?
You need to realize that nothing is unmeasured. While a large number of hosting companies say "unlimited", virtaully all of them have some sort of cap.

What kind of scripts do you use? What amount of memory do they use?

The large number of places which low-cost hosting are based on shared hosting....all the sites draw upon all the memory....so it doesn't take more than one bandwidth/memory hog to slow down the entire server....and everyone suffers.

If you know your bandwidth use and the memory use, you can talk intelligently with a provider...and save yourself from the unpleasent surprize of having your site shut down.

Does you host "oversell"? Overselling is based on the fact that not all sites are consumimg maximum resources at all times...so, you can load more domains on a server by playing the odds. Of course if all the sites are active at the same time...the entire server suffers.

And now the good part:

If your host harbors spammers, sooner or later the server ip will end up in one or more databases. Some of the databases don't list single ip addresses....they list the entire block.....so if the spammer and you are in the same block...you suffer when the block containing the spammer gets in the database.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jun 2009, 00:07    Post subject: Re: logs  

SirDuncan wrote:
Does Hostgator provide some type of log to show you what script is eating up the CPU cycles? Even with the heavy usage the site gets, I just don't think there should be high CPU usage unless there is some runaway process.

The answer is "yes" to both. Whodo posted the log here, while the runaway process is shown there as
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whodo 2891 29.6% CPU 0.0 0 0 ? ZN 18:51 0:00 | \_ [php] <defunct>

Thanks to Prit1 for troubleshooting this for us all.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jun 2009, 08:07    Post subject:  

tlchost wrote:
And now the good part:

If your host harbors spammers, sooner or later the server ip will end up in one or more databases. Some of the databases don't list single ip addresses....they list the entire block.....so if the spammer and you are in the same block...you suffer when the block containing the spammer gets in the database.


I'm going to paste this in the spam thread for JohnM/Flash/PG's attention, thanks

I've been saying it for a while - just doesn't seem to grab everyone, does it? Shocked Confused Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jun 2009, 08:20    Post subject:  

reposted, after thinking I double posted - I was on p3!

This actually links to Lobster's post dated Sun May 31, 2009 6:24 am

Nice Lobster

Do you know who did this one?

http://puppyuser.com/

Found it on the Facebook/recent news link

omg I feel old Laughing the thought occurred that facebook is only for teenies Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jun 2009, 09:53    Post subject: owner  

It says the owner is http://www.medianova.hr/:
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Puppy User is maintained by Medianova, a Croatian Web Development Agency that creates and supports Open Source software.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jun 2009, 11:51    Post subject:  

I sent them some tutorials about how to get firefox/openoffice going on Puppy, pretty good site and well designed too.

Glad to see the puppylinux.org and the wiki back up, its been a long haul without it.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jun 2009, 12:21    Post subject:  

Aitch wrote:
the thought occurred that facebook is only for teenies


here is a more grown up Facebook - trying to do something useful
http://www.worldeka.com Smile

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jun 2009, 20:22    Post subject:  

After having spent an hour today getting a 53yo clients farm town working for them today, Im inclined to think that facebook actually "grows people down". Laughing

That is an interesting site Lobster, does Puppy Linux have a presence there yet? It ticks many boxes in terms of a social project...although that may not be immediately apparent sometimes Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 10:38    Post subject: Re: logs  

raffy wrote:

The answer is "yes" to both. Whodo posted the log here

I missed that one. I figured the culprit would be PHP, but I was hoping the log would be more useful than that. I see 12 pages listed that could have the offending code, but it's also possible (maybe even likely) that the code causing the problem started running earlier than the incoming requests listed.

I don't really know much about Drupal, but I did some searching and found two pages where people were having similar issues. Some of the suggestions given to them may be of use.
http://drupal.org/node/58598
http://drupal.org/node/36421

I noticed a thread stating that Warren has left Puppy, how does this affect the website?

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 11:25    Post subject: turnover  

That's sad, but there will be a turnover, am sure.
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 17:59    Post subject:  

From the several pages I have read on the web, I think a site with such a high traffic rate as ours cannot run Drupal and be on a Shared hosting. The main reason why we got suspended is CPU usage and not bandwidth or memory.

The main page of Puppylinux.org runs around 505 Sql queries just to show the page. Does this look economical? And this is for 1 visit. We have between 250,000 to 300,000 visitors every month. Just think of the load.

1 - With the ads, we are hoping to move to a virtual dedicated or even better to a dedicated server. If we get to the dedicated hosting, we won't have the CPU limits we are having now.

2 - Another option is to switch over the whole site into a much simpler one without using Drupal. This would require a reasonable amount of coding and testing. And we may lose the many features built into the site.

For right now, we are considering the first option.

Regarding Warren - This is definitely not a good news. IMO, If he leaves, then it would be a big loss to the community. I have been personally helped and encouraged by him several times. He was the main person behind the community website.

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 23:32    Post subject:  

Hey, I love drupal Sad

We can adapt the index page a bit and make it more static... I'm sure drupal guys will give us help.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 01:01    Post subject:  

Prihtish has been working on the coding. Tomb created the original Drupal site, Warren hosted and Coolpup did most of the editing and updating.

Tomb is now using Debian, Warren too has recently decided to call it a day. Crying or Very sad
There efforts and involvement have been considerable. Cool

From the private conversations I remember with Raffy and the others involved, I can say that Prihtish (Prit1) did mention the possibility of moving back to wakka wiki, using mediawiki, another CMS may also have been suggested. (apologies if my memory is faulty)

I fully support Prihtish in his suggestions (he is doing the work)
If anyone can provide a host or offer practical support you can discuss it here or 'Private Message' Prit1 or the other people involved, from this forum Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jun 2009, 12:07    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
Prihtish has been working on the coding. Tomb created the original Drupal site, Warren hosted and Coolpup did most of the editing and updating.

Tomb is now using Debian, Warren too has recently decided to call it a day. Crying or Very sad
There efforts and involvement have been considerable. Cool

From the private conversations I remember with Raffy and the others involved, I can say that Prihtish (Prit1) did mention the possibility of moving back to wakka wiki, using mediawiki, another CMS may also have been suggested. (apologies if my memory is faulty)

I fully support Prihtish in his suggestions (he is doing the work)
If anyone can provide a host or offer practical support you can discuss it here or 'Private Message' Prit1 or the other people involved, from this forum Smile


That seems OK, and it'll be great. ¿We won't need to move our drupal-wiki content to the new wiki manually, will we?
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