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merlin026

Joined: 31 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Dec 2008, 15:58    Post subject:  parental control package  

Could someone help us with creating a pet for lkl keylogger software (or any other keylogging software that would work under puppy 4.1
Or explain how to make it work, for we don't seem to get it working.
Kind regards,
Merlin026

Last edited by merlin026 on Tue 23 Dec 2008, 19:30; edited 1 time in total
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trapster


Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Dec 2008, 13:18    Post subject:  

I tried this last night and could get it to log a few keystrokes. It then went into a seg. fault and quit.
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brad_chuck

Joined: 15 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Dec 2008, 23:17    Post subject:  

Worked for me. No problems.

Code:
./configure
make
make install
lkl -l -k keymaps/en_km -o keydata.txt


I am not going to post a dot pet for a key logger on this forum.

Don't think anyone else should ether.
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 01:16    Post subject:  

well brad maybe you also shouldn't of displayed the configure code also, what a terrible idea of packaging a keylogger, especially with all the derivatives being produced, Something like that could bring everything to a end. This whole thread should be deleted.
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Flash
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 01:45    Post subject:  

If this thread is deleted then only a few people will be aware that there is a keylogger which can easily be installed in Puppy. Instead of deleting the thread, maybe we should try to find a way to tell if a keylogger is installed in your Puppy?
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 02:05    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
If this thread is deleted then only a few people will be aware that there is a keylogger which can easily be installed in Puppy. Instead of deleting the thread, maybe we should try to find a way to tell if a keylogger is installed in your Puppy?

Well that could take sometime and then this could be spread, Why not delete the thread and figure it out in the background? Some keyloggers will report to a email address in the background and the current user will have no idea that his bank details/passwords have now be shipped to someone who he doesn't know, Keyloggers are the worst kind of spyware, every key stroke is recorded and sent over the net, This thread needs to be delete. Its a very large security hole that needs to be closed.
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merlin026

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 07:04    Post subject: keylogger or any other parental control tool for Puppy  

What we are looking for is some kind of parental control tool similar to the ones that you can find on a windoz machine - a keylogger seemed to us the only alternative to work with Puppy.
Thanks for any suggestions.
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hillside


Joined: 02 Sep 2007
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Location: Minnesota, USA. The frozen north.

PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 10:13    Post subject:  

I'm not sure that this thread would provide any essential knowledge to
an actual bad guy. People who would use this kind of program for
nefarious purposes already either have this kind of knowledge or can
easily obtain it.

It may be worth leaving this thread in place just to show that no
operating system can be made absolutely fail safe and that people
always need to be vigilant.

It also wouldn't hurt to discuss the parental control aspect of the
issue. I can see this as a feature that many people might want to
make use of.
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Aitch


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 11:53    Post subject:  

http://dansguardian.org/?page=download

keylogger - yuk

I too favour deleting that part of the thread

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brad_chuck

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 17:37    Post subject:  

augh.. all I showed was the standard config code and the example command line from the help file.

these things exist..

I vote for deletion just so we don't give anyone any ideas.
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 18:21    Post subject:  

merlin026

If you want it compiled or some other sort parental control tool, pm me and I'll work on it, But first edit your first post and change lkl keylogger pet title to "delete post" and delete all the info you placed on here. I would rather just help you as in one person then let these ideas run to others who might use them to destroy peoples lives.
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Pizzasgood


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 19:21    Post subject:  

When you decide to use some random Puppy derivative created by some dude you've never met, how do you know he doesn't have anything nasty hidden inside? You don't.

If you trust Barry, you can be reasonably sure there isn't anything nasty in the official releases, unless it managed to sneak past him. But for derivatives, you have to also trust the creator of that derivative. And for derivatives of derivatives you need to trust Barry and both people involved in the remaster.

This applies to all distros and operating systems. If you don't trust the people at Red Hat, you can't trust Red Hat Linux.

I don't trust the people at MS, so I don't trust any MS product.




As for deleting this, I don't really see much point. This particular software comes up at the top of a google search for "linux keylogger" and the compile instructions are as basic as it gets, so it's not like we'd be hiding any info. If merlin026 wants it deleted I'll do it, but not otherwise.

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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 19:40    Post subject:  

I DO NOT see the need to advertise ideas for people to read and get the wheels spinning, It places ideas in peoples heads, Thats where it starts, then someone might debate on it, and finally give in. Sure it might be easy to find or compile, but why advertise it.
Its like Racist comments, Can we make a thread and start some crap like that? Or is it better not spread such bad ideas around?
If it isn't generally productive for puppy it should be deleted. This thread is 100% counter productive and could lead to crippling a lot of fun that users partake in.
Pizzagood and Flash, both of you can sit on your hands and play stupid all you want, But if issues arise from this, I hope you devote 100% of your spare time trying to fix this mess that the both of you let happen.
I've tried to do the right noble thing here. I'll sleep fine, Probably won't download anymore Variants. And just stick to the main stream now. Whats the sense of having admins to protect the general public if they pro-Spyware.
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Caneri

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 20:49    Post subject:  

@Flash..agreed there should be a method of detection for such a simple and malicious thing. MS virus scanners don't work well with a Linux structure.

@ttuuxxx....this has been attempted before in Puppy and it will continue to happen....alerts should be raised. Users need to know the software they download is clean...a tall task for any distro.

@PG...this is a tough one...it's all in the open so deletion will not make any difference...but there needs to be a way to help noobs to be safe.

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DesertPuppy


Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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Location: Mississippi

PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2008, 21:14    Post subject:  

just a quick observation:
I know everyone is worried about keyloggers root kits, virus and the sort taking your personal info and sending it somewhere for evil purposes but how would the program send an email with the log of the keystrokes if puppy doesn't have a sendmail service or server running ? I don't even think there is one in the default dist. So I was wondering what is so bad about this ? I could see where someone would want a log for when others are using there computer. I might be wrong but I looked through the source code and couldn't find anything that would let it send an email out through Puppy. I'm no expert in programming and don't want to get anyone worked up but one of the benefits of puppy is that we don't have most of the normal services running like other distro.
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