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eeZos 0.6 -- Next release
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nutts4life


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jan 2009, 11:58    Post subject:  eeZos 0.6 -- Next release
Subject description: A puppy for WebOS integration (with eyeOS)
 

All new eeZos 0.6 is released! - http://puppylinux.ca/members/eeZos/

Take a look a the eeZos web site: http://www.eezos.com/
And the new wiki, with roadmap! : http://www.eezos.com/wiki/doku.php?id=road_map



eeZos is designed to make full use of the concept of online cloud computing. The idea is that you can access your data from anywhere in the world and from any PC you choose.

It's tightly integrated with the eyeOS web Operating system allowing you to just take this puplet with you on a USB stick and access your online OS from anywhere.

This OS will be released to the eyeOS community next week. My belief is that a good relationship with a webOS may be important for future of puppy.

There are few design features of eeZos that might get the taste buds buddying.

The eeZos control panel:
This was inspired by the wolvix distro's control panel and is an integration of the puppy wizards, popular puppy utilities and XFCE configuration functions.



2 UI's to choose from:
eeZos allows you to choose whether to use a mini PC like interface (using lxlauncher) or a normal PC interface ( using XFCE desktop and cairo-dock)



eyeOS synchronization:
eyeSync is installed which allows you to synchronise your local files with your remote eyeOS files. The preferences in eyeSync then allow you to directly access your webOS from the menu.



The WebOS:
The default setup of eeZos points to my own installation of eyeOS. You can log in using the username: test pwd: test123.
This is only a high level example of what eyeOS can do.
To get a eyeOS account for FREE and check out the full eyeOS functionality goto: http://eyeos.org/en/



Hotpup xdg
I've modified hotpup so that instaed of putting an icon on the desktop it places an icon into the xdg menu under devices. This allows you to access devices from both user interface modes.




Technical stuff:
- based on puppy 4.1.2
- added 24 sfs fix
- Uses xfdesktop, lxlauncher, xfce-panel and xfce4-session
- pebble 1.0 provides startup screen
- firefox 3.0.5 with adblock, flashblock and menu hide.
- thunar is the chosen file manager
- Mplayer with full codecs and smplayer
- openVPN with gopenvpn interface
- Selection of popular fonts

Local applications:
http://www.eezos.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=6&Itemid=
eeZos only features a media player and web browser by default as, the idea is that, all other apps are provided online; through eyeOS.
A series of sfs files are provided here to allow you to add a set of integrated local applications:

- Office: abiword and gnumeric + most plugins
- Mail: claws with most plugins
- Image viewer: Gthumb OR fotoxx (with printoxx)
- Chat: Pidgin or Skype 2.0

NOTE: I will be updating this thread with more and more details as time goes by.

Thanks to all the community for your great help with everything...as always.

n4l

Known Issues:
- The puppy event manager seems to stop recognising devices after startup. Please use the pmount utility to mount drives. - Fixed in 0.6
- alsawizard kills all programs including the dock. - Fixed in 0.6

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Sage

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jan 2009, 14:46    Post subject:  

Something wrong here. Just closing down today, perhaps some can check the md5?
As you were - bad d/l.
Interesting. Nice piece of work. However, the clouds are not for me. There is a hidden agenda with this notion, just beginning to appear. Think M$, think America, think crooked businesses! They want you to sign up for a direct debit. Once you do so, you're hooked. There is no need for this with Linux. Discs and SSS are getting bigger and more reliable. It is incumbent upon users to maintain their valuables, not stick them in the nearest skip when they stop working. There are sharks circling out there all the time and it's your dosh they're after. Get clued up, get smart and get your head outa da clouds....
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jan 2009, 13:13    Post subject:  

Sage,

Thanks for your positive comments. I agree with you with cloud computing and that's why i like eyeos.

eyeos is open source, meaning you can install it yourself on your own hosting account. That means it's you data just sitting on your space... but it's online. OK... it's not true cloud computing, but it gives you all the benefits of being able to access you data from anywhere, under your control.

Thanks again,

n4l
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jan 2009, 14:09    Post subject:  

Well, yes, but...
....unless you own the servers, you're still open to exploitation. Notwithstanding, we are all vulnerable vis-a-vis our ISP, but if they're storing our preferred OS configs and apps, too, it won't be long before those extra charges begin appearing on our bills. Either that, or we'll be paying for the privilege by having aspects of our preferences being sold, along the lines of those nasty little small print phrases with which we are all too familiar.
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jan 2009, 22:13    Post subject: Hosted on a Puppy server  

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Well, yes, but...
....unless you own the servers, you're still open to exploitation.


So you install eyeOS on a puppy Hiawatha/PHP server... eyeOS is OS (open source). You own/control access to your own server - no problem.

This is collaboration software for running a business/organisation to share files/appointments/meetings manage files and email etc. all within a web-browser. The promise of web based computing fulfilled!

Or put another way, Windows 2003 Server/Citrix/MS Office/Outlook by another name - without the complexity, hardware requirements and cost. A MUCH more elegant solution if it has the functionality.

It basically puts the office network online - nice one!!

It is easy to cast out all collaboration software initiatives as opportunities for big brother to keep an eye on us. In this case I think this looks like a glorious concept that should put fear into the traditional software establishment as it has the potential to tip it on its head.
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Jan 2009, 05:05    Post subject:  

It has been feasible to run your own server for some while. All you need is a bank or two of scsi RAID drives and an old box! However, the complexity and cost is beyond most SOHOs; large corporations make their own arrangements. Apart from which, I don't believe our friend nuttie and his colleagues are either going to make the (common!) mistake of believing there's a business opportunity here or be able to spread himself/themselves widely enough.

This thread truncated by common consent and discussion kindly expanded by n4l here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=264103#264103

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Jan 2009, 07:23    Post subject:  

First of all, i'm happy to keep this discussion going, but let's keep this from this puplet thread, it is the wrong place for it.

I have created this thread to continue this discussion:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=264068#264068
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Jan 2009, 07:51    Post subject:  

I received this question from a user, i want to post it as it has alot of interesting points.

hello !

i've just tested your new eezos on eeepc
looks very nice ( i prefer lxlauncher more Very Happy )
is it possible to suggest something ?

i've noticed that you have MS fonts in iso. I always install them into my pupsave2fs, but i think they are not free to be included on CD( just for downloading)
also i think it would be nice to have composite effects for xfwm4( it's very simple to do, see here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=27974&search_id=1956093409&start=30) if used with cairo-dock
and i would like to add some more plugins to xfce4-panel, but standard xfce-control center does not allow to do it although there many applets as i noticed
i i found some config files in /etc/xdg for panel and desktop

is it posiible to add other entries to lxlauncher?

it the first time i used smplayer
do you have a pet for it( i would like to use it in normal puppy also)
is it static or dynamic linked to qt4?

thank you for such a nice pupplet
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Jan 2009, 08:51    Post subject:  

Here some answers:

Quote:
i've noticed that you have MS fonts in iso. I always install them into my pupsave2fs, but i think they are not free to be included on CD( just for downloading)


You're right, i was hoping nobody would notice... I'll remove them for next time

Quote:
also i think it would be nice to have composite effects for xfwm4( it's very simple to do, see here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=27974&search_id=1956093409&start=30) if used with cairo-dock


If you look at that thread i was the one who requested that composition was put into XFCE! Of course it's in there!
Just go to xorg.conf and uncomment the composition lines i have put in there.

BUT!!!! The cairo-dock i have installed i compiled myself against the XFCE compositions. There seems to be something wrong with the XFCE 4.4.2 pet which means composition can't be picked up by cairo-dock. I have been speaking to wow and the cairo-dock guys about this and it's work in progress! Very Happy

Quote:
and i would like to add some more plugins to xfce4-panel, but standard xfce-control center does not allow to do it although there many applets as i noticed
i i found some config files in /etc/xdg for panel and desktop


Good point, i forgot to do this bit. Basically there is a whole nother side of eeZos i haven't mentioned. If you boot it up again. press: [Ctrl]+[Alt]+s
You will see that the 'Setup' part of the menu is removed both on lxlauncher and on the xdg menu on cairo-dock. The idea of this is that puplet is now in 'Easy Mode' for non techies.
I forgot to remove the XFCE kiosk mode to this.

Basically if you look at /usr/etc/xdg/xfce/kiosk/ you will find kioskrc. If you want to edit the menu just rename the file:
Code:
mv kioskrc kioskrc.orig

Do this for /etc/xdg/kiosk/kioskrc as well.

Now logout, type xwin and you will see that the panel is editable again.

Quote:

is it posiible to add other entries to lxlauncher?


yes but you will have to modify your .desktop file in the folder /usr/share/applications
Both the utilities and the local apps menu pick up .desktop files automatically.
Go to this directory and open a .desktop file that starts with default......desktop

So:
Code:
mousepad defaultbrowser.desktop


you will see at the bottom of the file is the catagory and it's set to something like eezosLocalApps. There is also eeZosUtilies as well.
And .desktop file in this catagory will appear on both the lxlauncher and the cairo-dock menu.

Quote:

it the first time i used smplayer
do you have a pet for it( i would like to use it in normal puppy also)
is it static or dynamic linked to qt4?


I plan to put a whole load of pets on the forums next week. The smplayer i have is dynamically linked to qt4.

Good questions,

n4l
Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Mar 2009, 14:05    Post subject:  

eeZos 0.6 is now released.

It removes the cairo-dock, fixes a few issues and simplifies the whole experience further.

Enjoy!

PS. I'm away from a PC next week. I'll be back on the forums after that.
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Mar 2009, 07:32    Post subject:  

nutts4life wrote:
eeZos 0.6 is now released.


I'll dwnld it, and give it an AAO bench test run.

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:38    Post subject:  

Hi, this is my first post.

In the last week I've downloaded both Puppy Linux 4.1.2 and the eeZos_0_6 puplet. The box I'm using has a read-only CD drive and an old version of Windows on the hard drive, so I'm booting off the CD and using a USB flash memory stick for the system save. I mostly do web surfing so this is working out fine.

The 4.1.2 runs totally in RAM which is what I want. However when I tried running eeZos it didn't (as far as I can recall) give me the option of copying any system files to the USB stick or to RAM. So it's constantly going back to the CD for those files. It does write the save file to the USB stick so it knows the stick is there.

Did I miss something at some point in the installation? I'd appreciate any help you can give me, even if it's calling me an idiot and pointing me to a different forum. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Mar 2009, 14:23    Post subject:  

OK, I copied over the 412 system file manually to the USB stick, so it's not hitting the CD ROM drive after booting now.
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 12:34    Post subject:  

Puppy should be in the clouds too
make use of this too (it will be used by Tiny Core Linux too I believe)
http://pupweb.org/desktop/

Imagine a browser (probably Chrome) in firmware
and Google ad sponsored cloud services
It is coming

We will move into the cloud
Whoever controls the cloud - will have the reins (so to speak)

I agree with Sage short term but long term
the idea of a personal desktop computer will seem archaic

The Cloud is the start of the Grid
the Grid is the start of Quantum computing
then we will have AI/human hybrids

Whatever next?
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/fast-forward-your-pc-over-the-next-50-years-588536?artc_pg=1

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2009, 14:32    Post subject:  

I'm fooling around with both eeZos and 4.2 (mainly just running the browser to Google) to see how well a sort of pseudo-cloud computing really suits me. So far I think the more open Google (or whoever) model may be better than the Eye OS virtual desktop idea, but I plan to keep working with both for a while. Of course 4.2 has a lot of desktop apps and (confession) I have another PC running Windows, so even if the Cloud doesn't work out it's not a disaster.
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