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puppyiso


Joined: 12 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan 2009, 00:24    Post subject: finally  

The download is completed and I am sending this screenshots from mediaPup.

WINE works fine and I now am pretty much independent from other media related distros.

Thank you Steve!


John
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vtpup


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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan 2009, 12:31    Post subject:  

You're welcome! Sorry it took so long.

Let us know what works and doesn't in the included apps. when you get a chance.

I'm now working on reducing the size.

And possibly adding Audacity.

Also working on recompiling Winff. for Puppy and Gtk+ 2.12.1 This is a problem because it needs Pascal and Lazarus, and that looks like a job in itself -- unless someone out there with them already onboard a 412 retro puppy could help out with a compile of Winff.....

Looking at Cinelarra, too. Though maybe putting too much in one Puplet, then.

Thinking it should be what I have now for home and fun use, and maybe Cinelarra and Audacity together for another version for pros.

The nice thing is these can run off the CD in pfix=ram if you have a gig of ram (at present -- maybe reduced later) and you don't have to install anything to do serious media editing, no matter what your OS. Just save data to your Media partition or disk.

Considering how to make this all into an sfs instead of a pupplet.
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan 2009, 23:44    Post subject:  

Quote:
Considering how to make this all into an sfs instead of a pupplet


Thanks very much for putting this together and making it available. I am posting from it now Smile

The SFS would be a good idea - making your suite of programs available for 'Deep Thought' (4.2 - first alpha expect 25 Jan 2009 aprox) and beyond.

Be aware that Audacity worked OK (after much problems getting it to work) in the 2.xx and the Slackware compatible 3.xx series BUT as far as I am aware has not yet successfully been compiled for the 4.xx series of Puppy.

Anyway will be passing on Mediapup to my brother in law who has been asking for such a disk be interesting how he gets on.

Meanwhile for those with 1GB or ram and a video camera . . .
Where are our advertorials? Youtube training vids? Puppy promotions?

Looking forward to further installments Smile

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GeoffS

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan 2009, 02:30    Post subject:  

I'm very interested in this but have not got the download left for this month to give it a try Sad . I might have to raid some friends bandwith Smile .
In reply to Lobster's comment -
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Be aware that Audacity worked OK (after much problems getting it to work) in the 2.xx and the Slackware compatible 3.xx series BUT as far as I am aware has not yet successfully been compiled for the 4.xx series of Puppy.

I run Audacity 1.3.5 quite OK in Puppy 4.0.
That's all for now.
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puppyiso


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan 2009, 04:21    Post subject: wish list  

Some thing to include in the MediaPup? I do have a wish list.

As a lazy guy who doesn't want to compile source code with GCC, I couldn't be happier if someone else does the compiling for the programs I want to use without using any kind of emulator.

Nothing is better than running in native mode.

Here comes my wish list.

1. Audacity
2. Wings 3D
3. K3D
4. Kino
5. any program similiar to Flash

I hope above programs are included in the next version of MediaPup.

One thing, When I exit from MediaPup, soemhow it goes blank and had to reboot. I think it is my hardware problem.
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vtpup


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan 2009, 18:06    Post subject:  

Hi Lobster, thank you.

I actually did have Audacity working before I even thought about making a puplet, but removed it in favor of MHWavedit (which is already a part of Puppy 4.1.2) since I found it easier (as a newb) to use. So I don't think it will be hard to add back.

The main thing I want to do first however is drop the size down of Mediapup right now. So I don't want to add anything in until I can first make it smaller.

Also working on a simple conversion method to sfs here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=266352#266352

PuppyIso don't worry, I wasn't thinking of removing programs, so what is already there will stay. By reducing size, I meant physical size. I'd like to get the required memory size down.

The .sfs version would definitely help there, rather than the remastered Mediapup puplet version. You could then run it on relatively low memory computers.

On the other hand with computers boasting a gig of ram, the remastered puplet would allow running everything in ram.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 16:08    Post subject:  

Hi

@ puppyiso
There is no need to use Wine to run Wings3D, as there is a linux version available here
I am using version 0.99.04a in Puppy-4.00 without any problems.

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puppyiso


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 09:59    Post subject: wings3d  

Catdude, are you talking about wings-0.99.04a-linux.bzip2.run.gz?

Sorry for my ignorance. I don't know how to use it. just unzip and click on one of xx.sh file? Does the file name ..run.gz mean executable binary?

Whenever you have some time, kindly show me how you use the downloaded file.

Thing is that I have many wonderful windows freewares I would like to use such as Goldwave(share), K3D(a distant cousin of Maya?) etc.

I would liker to keep my options open to use windows programs.

Anyway, thank you for reminding me the linux version. I just don't know how to use it. I have always wished someone make it as a pet file.

I admit being so lazy. But that's how I am... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 17:05    Post subject:  

Hello puppyiso

puppyiso wrote:
Catdude, are you talking about wings-0.99.04a-linux.bzip2.run.gz?

I am indeed mate.

puppyiso wrote:

Whenever you have some time, kindly show me how you use the downloaded file.

Just click on it, and you will get the following message:

    Do you want to decompress /root/dudesdata/test/wings-0.99.04a-linux.bzip2.run.gz ?
    (it will decompress in current location
    and the original file will be deleted)

Answer Yes, and it will change to: wings-0.99.04a-linux.bzip2.run
Now right click on it, and select: Permissions
Click on Yes

Now all you have to do is click on it, and it will install into: /root/wings-0.99.04a
When asked, hit the Enter/Return key.
To run it, click on: /root/wings-0.99.04a/wings

Hope that helps
CatDude
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puppyiso


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 22:02    Post subject: Thank you Catdude!  

This forum is a wonderful place. And I did realized how lazy and dumb I am not to mention lack of knowledge.

Catdude, with your kind instruction, I know know how simple it was and I am so grateful to you.

Linux is something Distrowatch says "Put the fun back into computing"

I thank everybody in this forum and I believe my choice for linux is right regardless what the others(windows believers)say.
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Jan 2009, 11:03    Post subject: Re: Thank you Catdude!  

puppyiso wrote:

Catdude, with your kind instruction, I know know how simple it was and I am so grateful to you.

You're very welcome mate, we all need a little guidance occasionally.

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vtpup


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PostPosted: Wed 21 Jan 2009, 17:43    Post subject: Memory Requirements of MediaPup  

Looks like I overestimated the memory requirements. As an experiment I just ran MediaPup in pfix=ram on my hopped up Thinkpad 600e, which has 428 megabytes onboard, not 1 Gig. It opened right up!

I think the reason it worked was that I have a swap partition. Didn't realize that Puppy could adjust -- and assumed that a 322 megabyte LiveCD would need to uncompress into a much larger ram space.

Anyway, looks like Mediapup will run in under 512 megabytes using pfix=ram, though you probably need a swap file to do it. 1 Gig is NOT needed, though certainly nice to have.

I'll edit the first post re. RAM requirements.

I might try experimenting with even less memory.

I'm also assuming a full install doesn't need much memory at all, since it runs on HD. --

Also pfix=noram runs off the CD and has minimal memory requirements. If installed to a memory stick, it should be pretty quick with pfix=noram.
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nancy reagan

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jan 2009, 10:32    Post subject: Videopup
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Maybe it would be of some help to have a look at papos' vediopup ?


http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=36847&search_id=1863207205
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jan 2009, 11:57    Post subject:  

Didn't see that one. Interesting that we made a parallel effort.

Your Vediopup puplet, from the sound of it wouldn't have helped me when I started because my primary focus was getting ManDVD to run in a stock 4.1.2 retro puppy.

My other program additions such as Mplayer, Kino, DVDSlideshow and Avidimux came as I tried to resolve ManDVD's dependencies and then edit videos and audio to add to it. No single program seemed to have everything I needed.

I included Wine because I'm not a fan of Gimp, despite the reqirement for it in ManDVD. At the time, I was working on adding my old standby Picture Publisher 10 to Wine, but still don't know if it will succeed. It's a commercial program, so it will never be in MediaPup. I did include Pixia under Wine as an alternative photo editor.

I also tried to run Winff under Wine, as well as natively under Puppy. With no joy yet -- it needs a recompile with Lazarus to run in Puppy. And it doesn't run out of the box in Wine, so no point in pursuing that win direction further. I'll probably compile Winff at some point when I deal with installing Lazarus and all that junk, unless somebody else beats me to it (please, please!)

Probably the clearest difference between these two pupplets, besides the versions of things like wine, puppy base, and BigBass'es full mplayer in Mediapup is that the focus of MediaPup is not on rendering and animation but slideshow and video to DVD authoring. Thus Blender is not present, and ManDVD is the central piece from which the other capabilities expand. K3b and K9copy, and a full mencoder are important to what I needed to do.

Anyway, welcome to the forums nancy reagan. I see this is your first post. Blender folks will undoubtedly find your redirection helpful.
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Artie


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 16:29    Post subject:  

I'm trying to download but the first link is exceedingly slow and the second doesn't work at all. I'm in Norway and average download speed is right now about 4K. Are there any other mirrors carrying Mediapup? Thanks for any answer.

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