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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jan 2009, 07:41    Post subject:  
Lobster wrote:
good work guys - a small point the power down (shutoff button should go at the bottom)

I recently had to close down Puppy from an unusual screen viewing angle
Top or bottom would have been more logical . . .

a very minor point
Basically this is excellent work

Many of us are watching how you developer guys are working and collaborating together

Inspiring Very Happy


hey lobster how about
Shutdown
Reboot
Lock Screen
Cancel

Does that work better for you, since cancel is usually always last?
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jan 2009, 07:52    Post subject:  
So It would look like this, I also still have to fix the Cancel button but shouldn't be long Smile
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Ok I'm happy with this cancel button Smile
I'll fix the icewm.pet package
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jan 2009, 09:05    Post subject:  
ok I updated the icewm package found on this page, with the newer tabbed version that looks like the above image.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=269019#269019
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jan 2009, 10:10    Post subject:  
ttuuxxx wrote:
Ok guys hows about having one called
"Shutdown" with 4 items
-Shutdown
-Reboot
-Exit to Prompt
-Lock System
I think these are great. They look organized and clean.

ttuuxxx wrote:
And another called
-Fixmenus
-Restart Icewm
-Restart with JWM
-Restart X-Server
In my humble opinion these belong under the the "Desktop" menu entry. It has nothing to do with shutting down other than it restarts X.

ttuuxxx wrote:
-Manage Process
Again, it has nothing to do with shutting down, it belongs under system.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jan 2009, 11:59    Post subject:  
rarsa wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
-Manage Process
Again, it has nothing to do with shutting down, it belongs under system.
I suggested the pprocess button mainly for win refugees expecting the task manager. Really the simile doesn't hold and I would agree with the removal of the entire tab. Also the jwm button kills jwm then starts, it has a perfectly funtional option
jwm -restart
which doesn't kill X and all the windows
This control is best done from the window managers own menu.

I've just realised the lock button has the same bug as Zigberts tray lock button.
If there is no xlock password set xlock expects new passwords on stdin if it isn't attached to a console then you lose X
Better would be to call /usr/local/apps/Xlock/AppRun which is capable of handling this scenario.

The jwmrc template included does not utilise the shutdown dialog. I am a bit confused that you have included a jwm template in a pet called icewm, it should be in xdg or jwm! I suspect that whodo is already having build problems because several pets in the current build are providing different versions of the same file. Please let us not exacerbate this problem.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jan 2009, 13:02    Post subject:  
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hey lobster how about
Shutdown
Reboot
Lock Screen
Cancel

Does that work better for you, since cancel is usually always last?


I know this is attention to detail . . . but why not.
Yes that works fine. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jan 2009, 16:58    Post subject:
Subject description: Permissions problems		  
I saw that Patriot has cups going now and tested in alpha1 after doing battle with a permissions issue

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=2077921053&t=38095

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Installed it and ugh ... can't print now !? ... Kept getting permission denied, backend error, filter stops etc etc ... Hey, I'm setting the same permissions and spool samba folder as before, but, why doesn't it print ?

Finally traced it to /var/spool/cups folder permissions ... no matter what permissions I set, it just won't print ... ok, lets move it somewhere then ... and jackpot! All my troubles went away in a flash ...


I wonder if this is related to the hiawatha permissions issue I have been playing with? Me thinks there is some underlying issue with the filesystem which could bite elsewhere - I bet sshd won't go either
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jan 2009, 17:38    Post subject:
Subject description: Permissions problems		  
growler wrote:
I saw that Patriot has cups going now and tested in alpha1 after doing battle with a permissions issue

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=2077921053&t=38095

Quote:

Installed it and ugh ... can't print now !? ... Kept getting permission denied, backend error, filter stops etc etc ... Hey, I'm setting the same permissions and spool samba folder as before, but, why doesn't it print ?

Finally traced it to /var/spool/cups folder permissions ... no matter what permissions I set, it just won't print ... ok, lets move it somewhere then ... and jackpot! All my troubles went away in a flash ...


I wonder if this is related to the hiawatha permissions issue I have been playing with? Me thinks there is some underlying issue with the filesystem which could bite elsewhere - I bet sshd won't go either


You can try my package, Its the latest version of cups and micko has reported it works fine on puppy 4.2
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/programs/documents/cups-1.4b2-i386-v2.pet
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jan 2009, 17:52    Post subject:  
HairyWill wrote:
rarsa wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
-Manage Process
Again, it has nothing to do with shutting down, it belongs under system.
I suggested the pprocess button mainly for win refugees expecting the task manager. Really the simile doesn't hold and I would agree with the removal of the entire tab. Also the jwm button kills jwm then starts, it has a perfectly funtional option
jwm -restart
which doesn't kill X and all the windows
This control is best done from the window managers own menu. Thats true to a point, yes it works better, because you don't close your open pages, But it only works 1 way, IceWM-->Jwm Jwm doesn't work that way, If it did that would be great, but it doesn't, At least the way I have it now its more of a unified feel.

I've just realised the lock button has the same bug as Zigberts tray lock button.
If there is no xlock password set xlock expects new passwords on stdin if it isn't attached to a console then you lose X
Better would be to call /usr/local/apps/Xlock/AppRun which is capable of handling this scenario. I'll change it

The jwmrc template included does not utilise the shutdown dialog. I am a bit confused that you have included a jwm template in a pet called icewm, it should be in xdg or jwm! I suspect that whodo is already having build problems because several pets in the current build are providing different versions of the same file. Please let us not exacerbate this problem.When I started this icewm pet I asked WhoDo for the jwm template that was going to be used via default and he supplied me with that one, The changes I did was to add a menu item 'Restart with Icewm', Thats why its included, and No I haven't added this menu to jwm, because well that would be up to Zigbert or WhoDo, Zigbert been doing all the JWM. Plus I haven't heard a peep from WhoDo in 2 days now,lol

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan 2009, 03:40    Post subject:  
ttuuxxx wrote:
HairyWill wrote:
The jwmrc template included does not utilise the shutdown dialog. I am a bit confused that you have included a jwm template in a pet called icewm, it should be in xdg or jwm! I suspect that whodo is already having build problems because several pets in the current build are providing different versions of the same file. Please let us not exacerbate this problem.

When I started this icewm pet I asked WhoDo for the jwm template that was going to be used via default and he supplied me with that one, The changes I did was to add a menu item 'Restart with Icewm', Thats why its included, and No I haven't added this menu to jwm, because well that would be up to Zigbert or WhoDo, Zigbert been doing all the JWM. Plus I haven't heard a peep from WhoDo in 2 days now,lol

No-one has really heard from me in two days because I've been chasing show stopper bugs in Alpha2 ... something I said I wouldn't do when I took this on, but whattayergonnado?

As of the moment the consolidated icon themes don't work, Will's fix for the JWM task bar disappearing act doesn't work, and the latest is that Pwidgets manager has decided it won't play either! Evil or Very Mad

On the plus side, fixmenus has stopped blanking the .jwmrc file menu icon selections when it runs. That's a small consolation, at least to me. It would be way easier if I could give up my day job, but Puppy doesn't pay well enough for that! Rolling Eyes

I'm at the stage of almost total frustration and thinking about uploading the broken Alpha2 so you guys can debug instead. That said, I'm nothing if not stubborn so I'll give it one more try before throwing in the towel on these momentous problems. Confused

Will's point is valid, Jeff. The jwm template has changed at least twice since I supplied what was, at the time, the default. That's not your fault, or another dev's fault, or anyone's fault and now it's not even the DEfault! Laughing

If I can hang in there so can you guys. Just don't leave me out there with my a... in the wind, ok? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan 2009, 03:49    Post subject:  
hey WhoDo welcome back Smile Long time no chit-chat, lol
I compiled Firefox 3.0.5 and IceCat 3.0.5, I'm leaning toward IceCat as a better browser. plus its a couple MB smaller than FirePup and I included Fasterfox, FlashBlock, The insert key doesn't crash the browser and youtube works fullscreen. Should be ready in about 15-20 mins.
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan 2009, 04:09    Post subject:  
ttuuxxx wrote:
I'm leaning toward IceCat as a better browser. plus its a couple MB smaller than FirePup and I included Fasterfox, FlashBlock, The insert key doesn't crash the browser and youtube works fullscreen. Should be ready in about 15-20 mins.

Don't let anyone tell you size isn't important, Jeff! Razz The Alpha2 with Firepup crashes through the 100Mb barrier to be around 102Mb all up. That couple of Mb will be worth its weight in gold when we go to beta.a
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan 2009, 04:22    Post subject:  
Ok Icecat and firefox 3.0.5 both are around 9MB, But like I said I feel that IceCat is more stable.
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/programs/internet/icecat-3.0.5.pet
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/programs/internet/firefox-3.0.5.pet
anyways I hope that helped your size issues a bit.
ttuuxxx

Ps so that saves you around 2.35 MB and should bring you back to 99MB Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan 2009, 05:37    Post subject:  
WhoDo wrote:
thinking about uploading the broken Alpha2
alphas are meant to be broken
I'm bored
release early release often
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jan 2009, 07:07    Post subject:  
WhoDo wrote:
I'm at the stage of almost total frustration and thinking about uploading the broken Alpha2 so you guys can debug instead.


Oh, don't do that. Maybe you're trying to make too many changes for one release. As to the things that don't work, can you go back to the corresponding things that did work in Puppy 4.1x for the second alpha, and save the remaining innovations at least for the third alpha?

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