Puppy 4..2alpha "Deepthought" Bug Reports and Fixes

[WhoDo]

Here's your Seamonkey+Composer+Firefox Theme+MonkeyMenu +my 5 search engines 8.6MB pet, already setup and working

WOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
It's going in the next release because I've already debugged Alpha2 with Firepup/Sylpheed ready for upload. If people want to add it for testing, that should be ok because Alpha2 doesn't have Seamonkey by default.

Great news about including MonkeyMenu and Seafox theme in the package, too! If anyone also wants to add nifty icons to their drop down menus, you can get CuteMenus as an add-on from the Seamonkey home page.

Thanks for all the hard work and burnt midnight oil, ttuuxxx! (Is that a Peter Garrett joke? )

[ttuuxxx]

Your welcome WhoDo Glad its done and over with :):)
It also plays fullscreen on youtube, And like I stated before it doesn't crash when the insert is press and Print Screen works. For once I'm actually starting to like SeaMonkey. If you have any room left over Flashblock would be a really great addon to include.
ttuuxxx

[WhoDo]

Glad its done and over with :):)

Well, now, I wouldn't say THAT! If we are going to include Seamonkey there will be a whole bunch of people who will also expect Seamonkey mail, since that's where their messages are currently stored. I'm willing to bet they will want to drop Sylpheed for Seamonkey with Mail/News support.

As a matter of interest, your 1.1.14 is 30Mb expanded - 6Mb less than Barry's 1.1.11-1 version that included Mail/News. I wonder if the Mail/News component would bring your version up above that?

Again for interest's sake, Sylpheed-2.6.0 expanded is only a little over 1Mb. I'll have to check and see what is missing to save so much space (negative viewpoint, I know, but it's informed by experience).

It also plays fullscreen on youtube, And like I stated before it doesn't crash when the insert is press and Print Screen works. For once I'm actually starting to like SeaMonkey. If you have any room left over Flashblock would be a really great addon to include.

Ah, yes! That already makes Seamonkey-1.1.14 in Puppy-4.2 a much improved version. I was going to ask about Flashblock and Adblock add-ons. And maybe CuteMenus. Maybe we can be a showcase for what Seamonkey can do with a little bit of tweaking, eh? I'm especially glad you got your seach engine's to work like Firepup. That's a "must have" feature IMHO.

[pa_mcclamrock]

I've already debugged Alpha2 with Firepup/Sylpheed ready for upload.

Yes? Yes? Where is this "Alpha2" of which you speak?

[01micko]

Yes? Yes? Where is this "Alpha2" of which you speak?

Is this the same bloke who said just just a week or so ago

I'm pretty eager to try out 4.2, but not so eager that I won't wait for the next alpha release, in which the reported IceWM bugs will surely have been fixed. Very Happy

and, just yesterday

Oh, don't do that. Maybe you're trying to make too many changes for one release. As to the things that don't work, can you go back to the corresponding things that did work in Puppy 4.1x for the second alpha, and save the remaining innovations at least for the third alpha?

?

Eagerness getting the better of you Pa?

[ttuuxxx]

Firepup. That's a "must have" feature IMHO.

Hey WhoDo

When it comes to mail and Semonkey, It will push the size to around 2-2.5MB compressed, Thats why I left it out since Sylpheed was around 0.5MB give or take compressed and you were running out of space, would it really be worth 2MB extra compress, just to say that we are using a more popular but uglier email client, I could include about 15 different programs to puppy in that amount of space, Or 50 IceWM themes kidding, I still think Xarchiver should be included even if not default, sure it crashes if you click the right screen, but you don't need to click that side of screen for any reason, you just click left side and then click the extract button and it works perfect every time, I'm wondering if that crashing thing is gtk2 related like the Seamonkey crashes, and the Seamonkey compiling problems. Hmmm.

If We have any Bored developers, Xarchiver is calling you:) We really could use a stable version, Since it was just so handy to use with all this Seamonkey, FireFox, IceCat Compiling that went on, If I would of used Xarchive it would of taken a min of 4HR just to extract the sources once, where Xarchiver was like 2 mins each. Plus then all the configuring I did with the Seamonkey jar,xpi, which Xarchive couldn't even open those formats out of the box, usually you have to rename them.

ttuuxxx

[WhoDo]

I've already debugged Alpha2 with Firepup/Sylpheed ready for upload.

Yes? Yes? Where is this "Alpha2" of which you speak?

Uploading to our mirrors as you speak!

[WhoDo]

When it comes to mail and Semonkey, It will push the size to around 2-2.5MB compressed, Thats why I left it out since Sylpheed was around 0.5MB give or take compressed and you were running out of space, would it really be worth 2MB extra compress, just to say that we are using a more popular but uglier email client, I could include about 15 different programs to puppy in that amount of space, Or 50 IceWM themes

Your point is not lost on me, ttuuxxx. Zigbert could probably find 100 uses for the extra room, too! We'll see what the reaction is after Alpha2 hits the shelves tonight. Sylpheed is certainly much more economical. Like many, I don't know it at all, so I'm going to take the opportunity to play with it while you guys debug Alpha2.

I still think Xarchiver should be included even if not default, sure it crashes if you click the right screen, but you don't need to click that side of screen for any reason, you just click left side and then click the extract button and it works perfect every time, I'm wondering if that crashing thing is gtk2 related like the Seamonkey crashes, and the Seamonkey compiling problems. Hmmm.

It's in Alpha2, Jeff. A promise is a promise where I come from! It seems useful, just buggy. We'll see how the users react.

If We have any Bored developers, Xarchiver is calling you:) We really could use a stable version, Since it was just so handy to use with all this Seamonkey, FireFox, IceCat Compiling that went on, If I would of used Xarchive it would of taken a min of 4HR just to extract the sources once, where Xarchiver was like 2 mins each. Plus then all the configuring I did with the Seamonkey jar,xpi, which Xarchive couldn't even open those formats out of the box, usually you have to rename them.

It's in ... it's in! They'll get their chance to find the bugs in that app and it's not so mainstream as to bother the average user one way or the other. Most will never know it's there. I could put Xarchive back alongside for the next release, if it becomes a problem.

[WhoDo]

Yes? Yes? Where is this "Alpha2" of which you speak?

Is this the same bloke who said just just a week or so ago

I'm pretty eager to try out 4.2, but not so eager that I won't wait for the next alpha release, in which the reported IceWM bugs will surely have been fixed. Very Happy

Eagerness getting the better of you Pa?

Just another victim of the "fertile ground" marketing ploy: announce a product well ahead of schedule, saturate the marketplace with hype about its arrival and hold off delivering until the saliva is literally dripping from their lips! Bill taught me that one! The difference is I haven't yet stooped to calling the included bugs "features" - well not seriously anyway!

[Minnesota]

Half on the printing... first managed to get to the password screen.. put in puppy instead of root and it looked at me.... got past that...

Added printer.... it found the canon ip4300 no problem....

Seems no ppd available... tried generic postscript, said it did something, but no print. Tried changing to OTHER manufactures.... option seems to not work.

Added new printer, with new name to distinguish, used HP options, no go...

So guess next step is trying to find correct ppd, back in other operating system and searched for ppd on the net..... did not find what I need.

Next would be to figure out where to place it... or will it find it at any location? Such as the memory stick?

Conclusion:

1) I think with the correct ppd it might work....
2) Procedures are not as easy to use as old routines!!!
3) Total newbie will be confused I think?

I am on the road, at home I have a brother printer and ppd might be included?

Moving forward

P.S. Can I pull the PPD file from files on the alpha CD? Or an older version?

[Ray MK]

Hi

So true -
been following this with much interest - just got a new EeePc 701SD with
Wdoze ('cos it was cheap in the sale) thats just begging to try the next alpha and all
its goodies and fixes etc.

Looking forward to downloading later.

Once again - so many thanks to all involved with this CE in the making - all the effort is
much appreciated and when the final is released, the world will definitely be a better place.

Best regards to all - Ray

[01micko]

Half on the printing... first managed to get to the password screen.. put in puppy instead of root and it looked at me.... got past that...

Added printer.... it found the canon ip4300 no problem....

Seems no ppd available... tried generic postscript, said it did something, but no print. Tried changing to OTHER manufactures.... option seems to not work.

Added new printer, with new name to distinguish, used HP options, no go...

So guess next step is trying to find correct ppd, back in other operating system and searched for ppd on the net..... did not find what I need.

Next would be to figure out where to place it... or will it find it at any location? Such as the memory stick?

Conclusion:

1) I think with the correct ppd it might work....
2) Procedures are not as easy to use as old routines!!!
3) Total newbie will be confused I think?

I am on the road, at home I have a brother printer and ppd might be included?

Moving forward

P.S. Can I pull the PPD file from files on the alpha CD? Or an older version?

The ppd is specific to your printer model. I have a canon mp180, I couldn't find my ppd anywhere but the printer is supported by 'Gutenprint'. It is available in the Puppy repository.

[veronicathecow]

Hi, if it's any help I've got my IP4300 running on Opensuse 11.1 with the following

Description: Canonip4300
Location:
Printer Driver: Canon PIXMA iP4300 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.0.2
Printer State: idle, accepting jobs, published.
Device URI: usb://Canon/iP4300

[capoverde]

Similarly in MhWaveEdit ... ... the "Launch mixer" tab doesn't work as it's linked to an inexistent Xmixer (linking it by hand to SGmixer it works);

If you can give me specific file locations and edits required I'll update the build tree.

If I got it right, mhWaveEdit starts with its own settings and then stores any changes in /root/.mhwaveedit/config, which doesn't exist on the first run.

I tried making a /root/.mhwaveedit/config text file with just this line:

mixerUtility = sgmixer

before starting mhWaveEdit in a "virgin" session (pfix=ram), and in fact sGmixer was then correctly called by the mixer button at the far right in mhWaveEdit's task bar as well as by the "Launch mixer" tab in the recording monitor window. The other option seemingly is to compile all over again after changing "xmixer" to "sgmixer" in the source... Any volunteer?

[Minnesota]

Micko : or anyone

Help....

I looked for a very long time on the web and finally found gutenprint-5.0.0.tar.gz at ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributio ... ackages-1/

OK...understand this is a compressed file...

Tried to unzip in alpha CD boot... I am a newbie with Linux... I do not understand where things go or how all of this works specifically. I am possibly 30-40% up the learning curve.... I can wiz with other computer languages and systems... but do not have experience to understand where to find things or where to put things in Puppy.

1) So please, I need to know where to Unzip those drivers, more specific instructions please. 2) Will they then show in the pull down menu of cusp or can I access them from the browse that looks for the ppd?

Will be happy to continue testing with some help please.

As mentioned the current driver system on the raw CD works... so it possible to simply move those drivers over to the cusp directory or library?


Greg

[tom4jesus]

would it really be worth 2MB extra compress, just to say that we are using a more popular but uglier email client, ttuuxxx

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, What makes Puppy great is not looks but speed and functionality. To me it is the same with an email client. I think I tried Sylpheed once and did not like it all. It may be a little smaller than Seamonkey but as i recall I don't think it displays html in emails?
It is also nice that the Seamonkey client is integrated into the browser and I can just push a button to open it fast while browsing, and also a pop-up comes up when I am browsing telling me I have a new email without running another program.

Your point is not lost on me, ttuuxxx. Zigbert could probably find 100 uses for the extra room, too! We'll see what the reaction is after Alpha2 hits the shelves tonight. Sylpheed is certainly much more economical. Like many, I don't know it at all, so I'm going to take the opportunity to play with it while you guys debug Alpha2.

The reaction of this puppy user is that I just started using puppy a couple months back and at first I honestly did not like Seamonkey but it has really grown on me and I prefer it now for speed and functionality. IMHO you will get the same reaction from folks that have grown used to having it as part of Puppy.

I haven't gotten the iso of Alpha2 to work yet but I will give Sylpheed a chance when I do, and try it out again.

To me it just seems like one of the whole points of using Seamonkey in the first place is to have a suite. From a strictly browser standpoint Firefox and its derivatives ie, firepup, icecat have more functionality when it comes to displaying web content.

[WhoDo]

I tried making a /root/.mhwaveedit/config text file with just this line:

mixerUtility = sgmixer

before starting mhWaveEdit in a "virgin" session (pfix=ram), and in fact sGmixer was then correctly called by the mixer button at the far right in mhWaveEdit's task bar as well as by the "Launch mixer" tab in the recording monitor window. The other option seemingly is to compile all over again after changing "xmixer" to "sgmixer" in the source... Any volunteer?

Could be a job for ttuuxxx the super-compiler! He's been looking for a new challenge and a PM to him would likely be met with a positive response.

Cheers

[WhoDo]

To me it just seems like one of the whole points of using Seamonkey in the first place is to have a suite. From a strictly browser standpoint Firefox and its derivatives ie, firepup, icecat have more functionality when it comes to displaying web content.

Agreed. I've asked ttuuxxx to add the Mail/News module to his latest compile of Seamonkey-1.1.14 in time for the next build.

[tom4jesus]

To me it just seems like one of the whole points of using Seamonkey in the first place is to have a suite. From a strictly browser standpoint Firefox and its derivatives ie, firepup, icecat have more functionality when it comes to displaying web content.

Agreed. I've asked ttuuxxx to add the Mail/News module to his latest compile of Seamonkey-1.1.14 in time for the next build.

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I saw that you asked him to also make a pet for the repository which would be a good alternative if it is not in the final build.
Everyone has their own likes and dislikes and you can't please everyone. Please don't change anything on my account, I just want to be able to have access to use the full Seamonkey suite in 4.2 and having it in the repository would be great.

As far as browsers alone go I actually think the firefox derivatives ie. firepup and icecat are better for some things. They have more plug-ins and display a lot of the newer web-content that Seamonkey does not. I use Icecat in addition to Seamonkey in 4.1.2 now for that reason. But I still like Seamonkey better

I am trying 4.2a2 now and I set up Sylpheed to give it a try, and I was correct, it converts all email to text not showing in-bedded pictures or html. That makes it faster and more secure but I personally like having html content in my email. Unless there is a way to configure it to show html?

[`f00]

Yepper, T4J...

(sry for the long-ish nature, but here `tis)
Yes, I tried the alpha1 - and indeed it was/is as fun as a puppy. Frisky was mentioned, I believe. A few bumps for sure, lol I lost the taskbar (no worries there, had a spare handy as also a few other files for quick copy/transplant justin case. Incredible, .jwmrc_tray and the bak were blank files when I finally opened `em - possibly a lesson there for those who understand how such a thing happens. The gui config for the toptray didn't work (was half expecting it to not since trying the original and the second effort - not terribly enthused with the creation of a whole new set of apps in /root/my-applications in that either and the alpha seems to not do that thankfully perhaps). Pfind wanted me to jump thru hoops in the alpha (entering a search term twice is just awkward, if a user needs advanced *then* the hoops - a n00B won't be so apt to use it if its not type-and-enter, just do it and give me some paths to follow). Changing to my preferred iconset went without a hitch - since I only have a few on the desktop for droptargets it's not much effort to get the preferred ones I like after clearing the deck. Usually I scale the driveicons also (as a theme) and the orange mainmenu 24's stayed since only the driveicons were changed as such - so it's actually better for me to have them as separate in this case .. possibly an option for the next v to have user-chosen scalability (a choice of 48, 32, 24 16 gives versatility - 48's seem too big to me usually). One nice thing toptray and wbar do is scale to fit. A menu item for what's now popouts(?) on either side would be preferable imo - the toptray deal hangs `til I maus down towards either side or btm tray. If only jwm was to be used as wm, I could see the point - otherwise I'm more in favor of wbar since it works in almost all wms I use (lxde is an exception, perhaps) it works fine in icewm, openbox, blackbox and afterstep for sure as well as jwm. PG's failsafe for .2fs will be nice for those with frugals (raises hand sheepishly when the class is asked who's been nipped .. nasty, that). Not sure if the alpha saved properly (possibly I made some oddnesses all on my own, so no report on that). A 'regular' conky works well in Zigbert's widget thingie once it's modded a bit (and the conky/widget deal kinda-sorta worked almost as well as wbar across a variety of wms but I may have unstabilized it .. xerrslog reports the geometry settings lines as not a proper config or somesuch but they mostly work except in certain circumstances in AS - like if conky gets inadvertently killed the y geometry is topsy-turvy if conky -d is used to restart in-session but oki from a clean start).

Big thanks for the tcl and tk pets (wasn't aware that they were lacking in the 4 series, was wondering why dependency checker said all's cool when some add-on pets were no-shows). The Opera 10a pet seems fine as far as I can tell, looking forward to a standard sm1114. A word or so about including some basic app documentation *locally* - was playing with p202-Opera (MeanPup, I think) and how refreshing .. aside from the quite decent ROX help, there's basically nada locally anymore for the n00B ("command-line what?") included on the basic iso. I've got a .zip for the Opera 9 series from http://www.iMilly.com/files/op9hlp.zip 77kb (a TOC of local Help and pages is kind of a good idea before you even go online to help the user get comfy .. gee, I seem to recall there may have been a pretty good one in SeaMonkey at one time but times change :-\). And MTPaint's got a .zip Help for download. Nice to have local packages (like a book you don't need to go to the library for, eh?) Needn't be that big of a shelf, just .. like T4J mentioned, most new users got no idea of what the apps do beyond click and hunh .. I know I was guessing (wrong) a lot on MTPaint `til I got my zip.

Catching up with another 5 pp in this thread - mmhm, the 'shutdown' menu/sub has always been non-intuitive for me (I agree totally with making it Cancel, Lock, Reboot and Powerdown since those seem to be the major options). I started another menu/sub named Change.. for restarting X, various wms with varying results of success - AS has issues with PuppyPin, I think, but the silly driveicon deal (pup_event?) and general 'desktop' stuff gets lost without a pinboard as such - and dropping to prompt. Rox works great, but PuppyPin is one of those bumps that makes changing wms a pain sometimes (like how many ways to set the bg and which gets drawn?).

Which kind of leads into styles or themes - lol, pwidgets is better without the added complexity (imo) of theming. It's like the jwmtoptray, *only* useful in limited circumstances (please count this as a vote for wbar as being a more universal solution for a launcher at this point in time .. heck, xerrslog even points out easy hints if the icon-image or path is not right .. plus it's a godsend if the menu for the wm is strange - happened to me with the pets for openbox and xfce4). My two mainstays are wbar and conkywidget for jumping into wms (sure, you can run lots from cl but generally I like clear and present launcher and info .. sometimes even the best menu is too much digging or reading or which sub is the app I want in?).

Insert opinion here. Is it just me, or does a lot of visual confusion result from themes and app icons? MMhm, asked&answered in P42 Desktop and Artwork, p18 - it'll happen for P5; Not to take away from some wonderful work on the new look, but there seems to me to be some serious drawbacks. Like whether something is a generic 'default' or hmm - the TT-style icons are prime examples (Abiword is not Geany is not Leafpad is not a font selector, etc .. and no, for sure the tried and true larger ones may possibly not quite 'match' a theme-as-such but I'd prefer a little clash to ambiguous looks and yep, it's a lil' rough in the tiny sizes but at least xfce tries).

Ahh - now for the 2nd alfa ...:(not too lively:""" someday maybe I'll give firepup a go;

And some playing with a save2CD for alpha1 - arrgh, after a few days and too much pet consumption and the usual round of 4-5 (maybe 6 altogether if one counts openbox) wms and some sm skins and documentation and uh-oh all those nice ttf fonts finally 'broke' it (dread the inevitable "RAM full" on CDs, but what can I say .. it had to be done and I actually observed a few minor things which I may recall once I'm over the trauma;) .. so, while I'm dl'ing DTa3 .. YES, I know troubleshooting printing is of vital importance but I would dearly love to see some puplets released with no printing support at all (is there anyone else who feels likewise?) since I gave up on home printing years ago (paper's cheap, ink is dear). Screenies? sure, since this may be one of the last posts in the alpha1 thread.. links to the fullsize (182-449kb)
http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/2/5/f_sm1114nmnm_1456672.png
http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/2/5/f_P42axfcem_eccb469.png
http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/2/5/f_ozricjwmm_c7ac1c6.png

heck, I'll even embed the small ones