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ttuuxxx wrote:ok I updated where the links go, its fully functional other thank the Gutenprint link of course because I don't have one other than my puppylinux.ca account
ttuuxxx

ttuuxxx,

looks realy simple to use. this will help all users not only novices.

aragon

I've been investigating the disappearance of the bottom jwm tray after using the jwm configurator. So far the only problem I can find happens when you use the button to apply the gtk theme to jwm. For some of the gtk themes this destroys the tray definition. In a recent puppy release I patched the gtk themes to avoid this but really the routine that extracts the colours from the gtk theme needs to be patched and made more robust.

I will do this I just wanted to ensure that this was the reported problem.

HairyWill wrote:I've been investigating the disappearance of the bottom jwm tray after using the jwm configurator. So far the only problem I can find happens when you use the button to apply the gtk theme to jwm. For some of the gtk themes this destroys the tray definition. In a recent puppy release I patched the gtk themes to avoid this but really the routine that extracts the colours from the gtk theme needs to be patched and made more robust.

I will do this I just wanted to ensure that this was the reported problem.

You also might want to try this gtk2 theme selector, I remembered about this one I seen before, So I found it and compiled it up. Its actually pretty good it might save you from patching everything.

Updated source by ubuntu, Same as above but not compiled yet. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/u ... 0.5.tar.gz

Hey Hairy I just tried that GTK2 theme selector I posted above around 10 times each theme in JWM and it worked perfect each time, to a problem.
If you wanted the source code for it, I could upload it also.
ttuuxxx

HairyWill wrote:I've been investigating the disappearance of the bottom jwm tray after using the jwm configurator

line 184 in gkt2jwm (Puppy 4.12) is critical since it tries to detect xload. Since it's not there, sed will blank instead of changing text.


Sigmund

Beaver ? have always liked beaver
Opera 10 sfs - no menu icon

drive icons - piling up on top of each other - both vesa and org.
(but only after creating a pup_save file which is sitting on top of
an ext2 partition)
also happens after updating / layers / file system - following an sfs
install/uninstall (loading/unloading and reboot).

Hi

Just a small note - Opera menu icon not there when using Opera10.sfs

Not sure whether this is an Opera issue or something in menu
not picking up the icon to display.

Opera 10 seems very fast - even on my ram limited laptop.(only 93mb ram)
and a 1ghz celeron proc. V nice.

Very best regards - Ray

Hey Ray MK if you like Beaver the latest version is on page 1 of this thread

Also:
I recompiled GTKHash and the last time I packaged it was 337kb pet and this time 127kb pet, now its small enough to fit if we have room
Oh by the way you can set it to give you 27 different types of 'Sum' values, wow
ttuuxxx

@ WhoDo

recompiled mhwaveedit with fix for mixer and libsamplerate. Files are at:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 518#271518

cheers
aragon

aragon wrote:@ WhoDo

recompiled mhwaveedit with fix for mixer and libsamplerate. Files are at:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 518#271518

cheers
aragon

well if he includes it I hope that he takes the libsamplerate devs and puts them in the Devx, its a well used lib by most music applications.
ttuuxxx

Hi all,

On behalf of Zigbert, Micko and all who helped with pwidgets...I happily announce the release of Pwidgets 0.5.1 at this link:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35601

Anolog-clock renders correctly , pweather font, monofont.ttf fixed, etc.

Thanks

Ttuuxxx

Love the new CLEAN start page, a few suggestions:

0) Can we eliminate the security warning? Useless information to enter.

1) Can we eliminate the password all together.. or at the very least fill in the correct information and all the user needs to do is press enter? To me it is a useless step? Or is there a technical reason for it?

2) Pages on the existing forms, ask a question.. ie Name, Location, then description... then you press continue.. for a NEW screen. Why new screen? Waste of effort... can we at the very least put all the questions on one screen and press enter once?

Working down the current screens:

3) After password and add printer: Local printer? If it detected your printer this is great.. that is 99% the one you want.. most of the other options are extremely cryptic...frankly I do not know what they are for... or how to use them.... most folks only want to hook up local or network printer.. I think?

4) Press continue and YOU get ANOTHER screen. Do we need all that information? Name.. which by the way is the name YOU want to see...and is not very obvious.. I usually just put in a c or ca for Canon... I don't have dozens of printers on at one time. Used to put in full name till I realized it was for Information only. By the way might put an "*" on the name field as it is NECESSARY and will error out if you do not enter something.

5) Press continue for ANOTHER screen... asking in a way the same information.. that is if you put in the name of the printer previously, and for that matter if it found your local printer and has say canon.. you now have to select Canon again in a drop down box...and PRESS CONTINUE.

6)Next find your printer OK... press "Continue"... NO .. press "Add Printer". Kind of inconsistent.

7) One more screen.... printer options....Different end button.. "Set Default options"....Kind of a misnomer if you did not change the defaults... but that is being picky.

Now a message that printer is set up... and no jobs... OK.. How do I test the printer? GO OUT and run a word processor ? or.. if you probe the "Maintenance" box you can find the test printer option.

9) Conclusion: Lots and Lots of steps! Is it possible to combine some of then on one screen? Or even have two setups? Newbie and Experienced? I know we hate all the extra stuff... and Cups screens do a lot... but for the average person, especially someone new.. all they want to do is click ADD printer...or I must say some Distos..probe and set up your printer automatically.. if I remember right.. Pc....os.. used to do that in the 2006 version.. they stopped the procedure from running at boot time as it took to long.. but it was neat... Can we look into a procedure to automatically set up the printer???

Minnesota wrote:Ttuuxxx

Love the new CLEAN start page, a few suggestions:

0) Can we eliminate the security warning? Useless information to enter.

1) Can we eliminate the password all together.. or at the very least fill in the correct information and all the user needs to do is press enter? To me it is a useless step? Or is there a technical reason for it?

2) Pages on the existing forms, ask a question.. ie Name, Location, then description... then you press continue.. for a NEW screen. Why new screen? Waste of effort... can we at the very least put all the questions on one screen and press enter once?

Working down the current screens:

3) After password and add printer: Local printer? If it detected your printer this is great.. that is 99% the one you want.. most of the other options are extremely cryptic...frankly I do not know what they are for... or how to use them.... most folks only want to hook up local or network printer.. I think?

4) Press continue and YOU get ANOTHER screen. Do we need all that information? Name.. which by the way is the name YOU want to see...and is not very obvious.. I usually just put in a c or ca for Canon... I don't have dozens of printers on at one time. Used to put in full name till I realized it was for Information only. By the way might put an "*" on the name field as it is NECESSARY and will error out if you do not enter something.

5) Press continue for ANOTHER screen... asking in a way the same information.. that is if you put in the name of the printer previously, and for that matter if it found your local printer and has say canon.. you now have to select Canon again in a drop down box...and PRESS CONTINUE.

6)Next find your printer OK... press "Continue"... NO .. press "Add Printer". Kind of inconsistent.

7) One more screen.... printer options....Different end button.. "Set Default options"....Kind of a misnomer if you did not change the defaults... but that is being picky.

Now a message that printer is set up... and no jobs... OK.. How do I test the printer? GO OUT and run a word processor ? or.. if you probe the "Maintenance" box you can find the test printer option.

9) Conclusion: Lots and Lots of steps! Is it possible to combine some of then on one screen? Or even have two setups? Newbie and Experienced? I know we hate all the extra stuff... and Cups screens do a lot... but for the average person, especially someone new.. all they want to do is click ADD printer...or I must say some Distos..probe and set up your printer automatically.. if I remember right.. Pc....os.. used to do that in the 2006 version.. they stopped the procedure from running at boot time as it took to long.. but it was neat... Can we look into a procedure to automatically set up the printer???

Wow now thats what I've been looking for, it gives me ideas, and helps me plan my attack on cups, excellent !!
I have a feeling when alpha 4 comes out the first stage will be getting cups working off boot. Meanwhile I think this might take a few beta releases to get the gui completely simplified, but I can't see why we can't do it, or at least come very close and cut it back 50% or so. Who knows it might go quicker also. I'll continue it in the morning.
ttuuxxx
Ps thanks

The tcl, tk package isn't complete in puppy its missing the dev files, could this package be made available please?
like /usr/include/tcl8.5 etc
I couldn't compile properly with it, so I downloaded some Ubuntu dev files just for a quick fix, it worked for compiling But it didn't work to run the application
ttuuxxx

Ray MK wrote:drive icons - piling up on top of each other - both vesa and org. (but only after creating a pup_save file which is sitting on top of an ext2 partition) ...also happens after updating / layers / file system - following an sfs install/uninstall (loading/unloading and reboot).

I have seen this happen also when/if the desktop icon grid setting is changed. My guess is that the icons default to spacing "in-between" those pre-sets. When a specific preset is selected then, the icons collapse onto one another (not quite at a spacing of 1 unit, they all snap to 0 units).

zigbert wrote:line 184 in gkt2jwm (Puppy 4.12) is critical since it tries to detect xload. Since it's not there, sed will blank instead of changing text.

that problem should already be patched in alpha3

@ttuuxxx
The existing gtk theme selector is not the problem.

Why would you calculate the hash of a pet? It already consists of a tgz with its hash appended to the end of the file. At the moment puppy contains no user option to check the integrity of a pet without installing it. It would be straightforward to copy the petget code that checks the integrity and make this available to the user as an explicit option.

HairyWill wrote:
Why would you calculate the hash of a pet? It already consists of a tgz with its hash appended to the end of the file. At the moment puppy contains no user option to check the integrity of a pet without installing it. It would be straightforward to copy the petget code that checks the integrity and make this available to the user as an explicit option.

It was purely for example so people could see how it worked and all the other formats it can sum up
ttuuxxx

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MinHundHettePerro wrote:Hello all,
starting out my contributions softly, I picked the simplest task on the wiki's ToDo list : the "Automated Refresh Menus script", it checks for the current wm (the /etc/windowmanager flag-file in alfa 2 & 3 is not updated when switching from icewm to jwm), runs fixmenus, and restarts the current wm. Simple script, with menu item in Desktop, is attached as a PET-file.

cheers/
MinHundHettePerro

Hi I tried it and I like it, I made one about 2 months or so back also, but it was lacking the screen notification, So yours is better, how do people feel about placing this one in the Shutdown menu script?
The default location where the menu refresh goes in its current state, is located menu/desktop which it should be in menu/shutdown
and the icon used was 16x16 which was too small when were using 24x24 and the icon used was the same as the reboot icon, so I repacked it with a 24x24 icon that is different and green, but the fresh menu does work well, So excellent Job
ttuuxxx

MinHundHettePerro wrote:starting out my contributions softly, I picked the simplest task on the wiki's ToDo list : the "Automated Refresh Menus script", it checks for the current wm (the /etc/windowmanager flag-file in alfa 2 & 3 is not updated when switching from icewm to jwm), runs fixmenus, and restarts the current wm. Simple script, with menu item in Desktop, is attached as a PET-file.

Woohoo! Great stuff, MHHP! I'm glad someone decided to pick up on this one. It's seems such a small thing but it will have a BIG impact on the usability of Puppy-4.2, especially for newbies and refugees. Thank you.

@ttuuxxx - if this could be integrated into your wm switching scripts it would be perfect. It ensures the xdg user menus remain comparable under both JWM and IceWM, regardless of where the changes were effected.

WhoDo wrote:

MinHundHettePerro wrote:starting out my contributions softly, I picked the simplest task on the wiki's ToDo list : the "Automated Refresh Menus script", it checks for the current wm (the /etc/windowmanager flag-file in alfa 2 & 3 is not updated when switching from icewm to jwm), runs fixmenus, and restarts the current wm. Simple script, with menu item in Desktop, is attached as a PET-file.

Woohoo! Great stuff, MHHP! I'm glad someone decided to pick up on this one. It's seems such a small thing but it will have a BIG impact on the usability of Puppy-4.2, especially for newbies and refugees. Thank you.

@ttuuxxx - if this could be integrated into your wm switching scripts it would be perfect. It ensures the xdg user menus remain comparable under both JWM and IceWM, regardless of where the changes were effected.

will do Tab1 or tab2, Tab 1 has more space, probably better location.
ttuuxxx