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#16 Post by ttuuxxx »

WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:Alsaplayer+Streamtuner is 466kb pet
Aqualung + Streamtuner is 583.03 KB (without libsamplerate options)
Aqualung + Streamtuner + Libsamplerate is 685.66 KB (includes the libsamplerate lib and options enabled in the compile for libsamplerate)

AlsaPlayer + streamtuner by far is the smallest a min 110kb-220kb smaller than aqualung, depending which aqualung you choose. Plus at only 466kb its a heck of a nice package for the size :)
Ok its up to you. You decide if you want one, just tell me which one and I'll change the mime's and quickly repackage it.
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Alsaplayer + Streamtuner. Not only is it the smallest but IMHO it also looks the easiest to use for refugees... and appears much more consistent with our other Gtk2 app. interfaces 8)
Ya its a great little player you can speed up or slow down your music 400% and make it sound funny, and it has visual scopes etc, which 175kb of the 466kb pet is streamtuner :) and yes its uses default gtk2 icons :wink:
I'll shutdown 4.2A4 now and boot up 4.2B1 :)
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#17 Post by cthisbear »

" The difference is basically being able to enjoy online audio streams"

Downloading now thanks to ttuuxxx link.

""""

I know that these things have been ranted on before WhoDo;
but after all this good work, why not release your 4.2 under 100 megs;
and give the plebs here an option of Puppy 4.2 CE Deluxe.

Add the 5 megs...2 megs ...whatever.

If low end computers need under 100 megs....fine.

But if the average user coming across from Windows
wants more, 5 megs more or less is nothing.

I mean have you heard of Windows updates?

""""""""""

OK! downloaded in under 10 minutes .Will test now.

We are in no screaming hurry here.
So many Puplets get released now, must easily be one a week.
So have a think WhoDo....give us an option.

Sure there are a lot of old comps around...........BUT.
I had to throw out 3 today....unfixable 4 me.

Some happy souls have already collected them.
One I gave a working 17" monitor and 4 Puppies
including Ecopup and the ACER One puplet.

So hardware dies and a great computer can be had
these days for $50 - $100.
I have given working Freebies before as well.
Why not?

Puppy is a great distro because of the free wheeling ideas
that come out. Some way out and weird (no need to praise me)
and some extremely nifty and practical thoughts.

So let's not put ourselves into a corner here.
Diversity....we have that.
Perversity is not what we need.
We want the showstopper.
Most shows give an option to upgrade your seat.
Even a circus does that.

Our price for that seat maybe a little performance loss.
But heaps of praise from end users.

""""""""""

"Seriously,
I have tried SO many distros over the last 5 years, I finally built a desktop because I couldn't get Linux config'd on my old laptops.

Then comes Puppy. Lean, Fast, and deals with my o
bscure USB broadband and funky video like its nothing. "

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#18 Post by cthisbear »

Drives working great in Xorg and Xvesa.

I like that you have the personal toolbar on and java ticked as well.

All seems pretty snappy.
Amazing the time difference re bootup when you hit F2
and type puppy pfix=ram.

Seamonkey in Puppy is lightning compared to XP install.

Well done to all.

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#19 Post by WhoDo »

cthisbear wrote:I know that these things have been ranted on before WhoDo; but after all this good work, why not release your 4.2 under 100 megs; and give the plebs here an option of Puppy 4.2 CE Deluxe.

Add the 5 megs...2 megs ...whatever.
I'm hearin' ya, Chris. What I'm aiming for, post RC1, is to produce at least 2 versions of Standard Puppy - one current kernel, one retro kernel - and then I'll entertain requests for a third "CE" edition with all the bells and whistles.

For the moment all I'm trying to achieve is the best bog standard Puppy we've ever produced, as a testament to Barry, saying "Relax, big guy ... your creation now has a life of its own."

After that, we'll see.
cthisbear wrote:So have a think WhoDo....give us an option.

...[snip]... Puppy is a great distro because of the free wheeling ideas
that come out. ...[snip]... We want the showstopper. Most shows give an option to upgrade your seat. Even a circus does that.
The options will be there, no need to worry about that. At worst they'll be in the official repository available through PETget. However, like all good politicians (oxymoron) :roll: I'm being careful not to stray too far from the grass roots of our support - P1-P111+, 128Mb-256Mb RAM, 2Gb+ hdd or USB or CD/DVD.

It's important to remember that 4.2 DeepThought is NOT a Community Edition (CE); it's a standard edition the same (hopefully) as Barry would produce himself. CE's will follow if it's a strong enough base to build on. I'm betting it will spawn a whole generation of new Puplets, built on 4.2 using the Woof build system. Remember, you heard it first here! 8)
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#20 Post by ttuuxxx »

Thanks for the Seamonkey comments Cthisbear, It tooka couple of weeks to figure-out how to get Seamonkey compiled/running right. Glad Its working the way it should.

Hey WhoDo ummmmmm found something, I switched to icewm, installed filezilla, Gimphoto and well When I went back to root, I could see that my applications was lit up, so I opened it and there sat a new 25MB folder called 'bin'. So I guess thats the first new 25MB bug, lol
here's a pic of what was in. /root/my-applications/bin
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#21 Post by ttuuxxx »

WhoDO you did it again, you left out the filemanager mini-icon :) here's a pic, it shows where its actually linked to, probably where the problems starts from.
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#22 Post by ttuuxxx »

Add the latest mtpaint plus the new snapshot with adjustable delay timer.
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#23 Post by Lobster »

It's important to remember that 4.2 DeepThought is NOT a Community Edition (CE); it's a standard edition the same (hopefully) as Barry would produce himself.
Exactly.
From what I have experienced of the Beta and what Warren is saying, we will have

Puppy Standard (New Hardware) - Warren + team
Puppy Standard (Older Hardware) - Warren + team
Puppy Standard Enhanced - Warren
and possibly very soon after release a Barebones from Wolfpup

I see no reason why we could not have four official versions
Previously we had a 3 version release (3 different browsers) from Barry

I played with the Beta for a couple of hours last night - throwing it about quite a lot. Found it stable.
The spread of games in the beta is much better. Liked the checkers game - got thrashed. :cry: Look forward to having the standard icons (which I prefer) in the next release. There was talk of adding sound to X-soldier by accessing the C code but no one up for this? Hairy Will is on 'compassionate leave' after family neglect - anyone else up to C coding?

Coolpup, guys, we might consider a Press Release
http://www.puppylinux.org/wiki/archives ... ease-notes
on the wiki for Beta/Release candidates for places such as:
http://www.linuxleak.com/

Ttuuxxx has done amazing and tireless work for those following this thread.

Well done guys. Looking good. :D
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#24 Post by 01micko »

ttuuxxx wrote:Thanks for the Seamonkey comments Cthisbear, It tooka couple of weeks to figure-out how to get Seamonkey compiled/running right. Glad Its working the way it should.

Hey WhoDo ummmmmm found something, I switched to icewm, installed filezilla, Gimphoto and well When I went back to root, I could see that my applications was lit up, so I opened it and there sat a new 25MB folder called 'bin'. So I guess thats the first new 25MB bug, lol
here's a pic of what was in. /root/my-applications/bin
ttuuxxx
ttuuxxx, I'm in 4.1.2 with ptray fully installed and my ~/myapplications/bin is 25M also. I don't think zigbert would have made this without balancing it out somewhere, you know his ideas on bloat :wink:

BTW, in 4.2beta my ~/myapplications/bin dir is 19M, oh and there are icons missing...

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Beta bugs:

1.)
When closing a side-tray (add widget/icon), the old tray (without close button) is still there. The reason is because side-tray code is still in /root/.jwmrc-tray. It should have been removed.

2.)
The Stardust gtk-theme is still the old one. You'll find it on the 'Stardust recourses' page.

3.)
The menuicon of Figaros password manager and Gxine is too wide.

4.)
Desktop icon 'Install' is a symlink and I think the icon is wrong. It should have been pointing to pet48.png.

5.)
The Icon_switcher does not keep the unique menu icons when changing icon theme. It auto-generates 24x24 icons out of the 48x48 icon theme. Like this it overwrites existing menu icons. I guess Barry made this to save space (the 24x24 icons didn't have to be in the iso).
Warren has to make a choice if he will support unique menu icons.

6.)
Yaf-splash welcome message shows up before widgets are loaded.

7.)
The fantastic pdf-printer is not in my printer list.

8.)
/etc/xdg/templates/_root_.jwmrc misses info to NOT show window-decoration for xli and xpad.
<Group>
<Class>xli</Class>
<Name>xli</Name>
<Option>noborder</Option>
<Option>notitle</Option>
<Option>sticky</Option>
<Option>nolist</Option>
<!-- Option>layer:2</Option -->
</Group>
9.)
The trash and lock icon has a bit unlogical placement on the desktop.
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10.)
I couldn't install my printer because the lack of username/password
Image

11.)
The gxine doesn't work when streaming internet radios.
Here's Puppy 4.2:
Image
and here is Puppy 4.12
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12.)
Yahtzee doesn't write highscore
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13.)
fixmenus script fails to split name and description for
- Figaros password manager
- Rubix cube
- Manage printing
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#26 Post by zigbert »

~/myapplications/bin contains only hardlinks generated by the fixmenus script.
Since this directory is used to drag programs/icons to desktop, symlinks is not the best chioce. The icons would then have (the ugly) symlink-arrow.

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#27 Post by ttuuxxx »

zigbert wrote:~/myapplications/bin contains only hardlinks generated by the fixmenus script.
Since this directory is used to drag programs/icons to desktop, symlinks is not the best chioce. The icons would then have (the ugly) symlink-arrow.
Ok so its suppose to be like that, sorry I didn't have any idea, its all new to me. I was hoping it was a 10MB compressed mistake :) would of made some nice room in the distro :) oh well

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zigbert wrote:~/myapplications/bin contains only hardlinks generated by the fixmenus script.
Since this directory is used to drag programs/icons to desktop, symlinks is not the best chioce. The icons would then have (the ugly) symlink-arrow.
In building these hard links there is an error (x2) unable to hard link to directory, so there is something in there that is being seen as a directory and the hard links are not created. :?

BTW - Thanks for the great report on the bugs. I'll go through them in detail before uploading Beta2/RC1. 8)
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#29 Post by WhoDo »

ttuuxxx wrote:WhoDO you did it again, you left out the filemanager mini-icon :) here's a pic, it shows where its actually linked to, probably where the problems starts from.
Now that's really WEIRD because I check back over my Unleashed packages and rootfs-complete directories and what I have there in both places is the actual icon, not a link. Maybe .... I dunno. Just put it back and it will be fixed for the next release. *sheesh* :o
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#30 Post by WhoDo »

ttuuxxx wrote:Add the latest mtpaint plus the new snapshot with adjustable delay timer.
I'd love to but it needs serious pruning first. As I said in the 'Known Issues' I had to leave it out because it contains 3Mb of documentation alone. Who knows what else could be pared from the package to get it down to the size of 3.29 (or less) :?:
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WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:WhoDO you did it again, you left out the filemanager mini-icon :) here's a pic, it shows where its actually linked to, probably where the problems starts from.
Now that's really WEIRD because I check back over my Unleashed packages and rootfs-complete directories and what I have there in both places is the actual icon, not a link. Maybe .... I dunno. Just put it back and it will be fixed for the next release. *sheesh* :o
also you didn't use the icewm6 I posted on page one of alpha4 you used icewm5 from alpha3. Icewm6 I did last night, it has the reduced right and left hand taskbar icons, plus I made all the themes look="flat" and re-enabled -show desktop, added back ttuuxxxView which was missing, the link was always on the rightclick of freememory applet, but the little script didn't find its way into the icewm release, it was used in my older larger release and when freememory was reused ttuuxxxView was left behind, by accident.
anyways I re-uploaded it to page 1 of this thread.
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WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:Add the latest mtpaint plus the new snapshot with adjustable delay timer.
I'd love to but it needs serious pruning first. As I said in the 'Known Issues' I had to leave it out because it contains 3Mb of documentation alone. Who knows what else could be pared from the package to get it down to the size of 3.29 (or less) :?:
it is, the size of the 3.20 with the updated snapshot pet packages is 261.12 KB pet or like 551kb installed, its just about the same size, try it out its on page 1 of this thread and try the snapshot feature. just do the fixmenus/ restart jw/icewm and you'll see it.
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#33 Post by WhoDo »

zigbert wrote:1.)
When closing a side-tray (add widget/icon), the old tray (without close button) is still there. The reason is because side-tray code is still in /root/.jwmrc-tray. It should have been removed.

2.)
The Stardust gtk-theme is still the old one. You'll find it on the 'Stardust recourses' page.

3.)
The menuicon of Figaros password manager and Gxine is too wide.
Fixed.
zigbert wrote:4.)
Desktop icon 'Install' is a symlink and I think the icon is wrong. It should have been pointing to pet48.png.

5.)
The Icon_switcher does not keep the unique menu icons when changing icon theme. It auto-generates 24x24 icons out of the 48x48 icon theme. Like this it overwrites existing menu icons. I guess Barry made this to save space (the 24x24 icons didn't have to be in the iso).
Warren has to make a choice if he will support unique menu icons.
Under consideration. All icon themes will need to comply to a standard specification and that has yet to be developed. Barry made the switcher capable of handling SVG icons that were manipulated to create the 48x48 and 24x24 standard icons for the desktop and menus. Subsequent themes have used PNG, JPG, XPM and SVG. That will all have to be resolved before the final release. Any takers?
zigbert wrote:6.)
Yaf-splash welcome message shows up before widgets are loaded.
That is by design. It waits for the user intervention or a timeout (I think) before disappearing but only appears on first run before a pup_save.2fs file is created.
zigbert wrote:7.)
The fantastic pdf-printer is not in my printer list.
Beta1 doesn't include the latest version of ttuuxxx's CUPS software and libraries. Beta2/RC1 will fix.
zigbert wrote:8.)
/etc/xdg/templates/_root_.jwmrc misses info to NOT show window-decoration for xli and xpad.
<Group>
<Class>xli</Class>
<Name>xli</Name>
<Option>noborder</Option>
<Option>notitle</Option>
<Option>sticky</Option>
<Option>nolist</Option>
<!-- Option>layer:2</Option -->
</Group>
Fixed.
zigbert wrote:9.)
The trash and lock icon has a bit unlogical placement on the desktop.
Positions were hard coded to keep these out of the way of default Pwidgets and it looks like your wide-screen implementation has added extra space between them.
zigbert wrote:10.)
I couldn't install my printer because the lack of username/password
Long known userID=puppy pwd=woofwoof ... ttuuxxx's latest version has this pre-entered (I think), but if it doesn't that would be a good thing to do for usability.
zigbert wrote:11.)
The gxine doesn't work when streaming internet radios.
Implementation in 4.2 is MU's modified gxine that resolves some playback issues. The version in 4.1.2 was problematic. We are looking at Alsaplayer+Streamtuner to overcome the issue of streaming radio.
zigbert wrote:12.)
Yahtzee doesn't write highscore
Curious. I've been playing that version for quite a while and it writes my high scores file fine - in fact it improves the layout of that file by making the OK button visible at the bottom of the window at all times regardless of the number of entries (below the maximum number). More investigation required.
zigbert wrote:13.)
fixmenus script fails to split name and description for
- Figaros password manager
- Rubix cube
- Manage printing
I have attached a updated fixmenus script
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#34 Post by WhoDo »

ttuuxxx wrote:also you didn't use the icewm6 I posted on page one of alpha4 you used icewm5 from alpha3. Icewm6 I did last night, it has the reduced right and left hand taskbar icons, plus I made all the themes look="flat" and re-enabled -show desktop, added back ttuuxxxView which was missing, the link was always on the rightclick of freememory applet, but the little script didn't find its way into the icewm release, it was used in my older larger release and when freememory was reused ttuuxxxView was left behind, by accident.
anyways I re-uploaded it to page 1 of this thread.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned that I hadn't included this one back in the Alpha4 thread. I got it too late to add to the Beta1 release but I've downloaded it and I'm testing it in my pre-beta2/rc1 test bed. It will be in but the number of themes will be pruned back for space considerations. Odelite will stay but the others will be left out of the standard release. I'd like to include BRdelite too, but I don't think I'll have the room. I have included Elberg-blue because I wanted users to have an option of 1xdark and 1xlight theme. If you wanted to try and trim that down it would be helpful. Maybe you'll get it small enough that I can include BRdelite original with the flat title bar and bubble buttons as a third option. :wink:
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#35 Post by ttuuxxx »

WhoDo wrote:
zigbert wrote:1.)
zigbert wrote:10.)
I couldn't install my printer because the lack of username/password
Long known userID=puppy pwd=woofwoof ... ttuuxxx's latest version has this pre-entered (I think), but if it doesn't that would be a good thing to do for usability. <---Not yet But I'll put it on the top of my list, If I'm unable to do so, because I checked google yesterday and it hasn't been done before, I'll change the html to provided the username and password so all users will know what it is.

zigbert wrote:12.)
Yahtzee doesn't write highscore
Curious. I've been playing that version for quite a while and it writes my high scores file fine - in fact it improves the layout of that file by making the OK button visible at the bottom of the window at all times regardless of the number of entries (below the maximum number). More investigation required. <----- This is to do a with a incomplete tcl/tk package, I'm working on that also :)
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