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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 13:18    Post subject:  

edoc wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
yes but you'll going to lose your bookmarks, monkey menus, custom font sizes, wep page quick links, just delete /root/.mozilla <--- hidden folers and it should startup all those import files etc, but backup your bookmarks or they will be gone. Thats why I don't include it they way you wanted it, Firefox is different the way that stuff can be setup is in /usr/libs/firefox but seamonkey is in .mozilla, good luck
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You mean there is no provision in Seamonkey to import the contents of an existing address book, bookmarks, mail folders, and preferences, etc. without losing updated features?


The easiest way would be copying those 4 files/folders over to the new one. I don't use any of those features, I just use gmail, online and thats it.

but If you want to know how to do it and what the files are name, look at this page. Near the bottom.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey1.1.7/installation


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 13:36    Post subject:  

Gee ... more confessions of being dumb ...

I dug back though my Puppy Forum Sent Folder and found my post to CatDude where I described how I had done things and how I understood the process for a Seamonkey Upgrade - and there was the SIMPLE solution.

Create a new profile
Call it "portablemozilla"
Select the folder /mnt/sda2/savestuff1/Mozilla_Profiles
Use that profile

That's it!

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 13:37    Post subject:  

Should I be concerned about this Warning from Seamonkey?

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Warning! You're using an old stable version of SeaMonkey (1.1.14), while we offer a newer version which contains important security fixes.

We encourage you to download the newer version linked in the download box at the right to be safe from known vulnerabilities and be able to use the newest features in a stable SeaMonkey release.

If you get this message despite having installed SeaMonkey 1.1.15 already, you might want to try resetting your user agent string to the default.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 13:44    Post subject:  

edoc wrote:
Should I be concerned about this Warning from Seamonkey?

Quote:
Warning! You're using an old stable version of SeaMonkey (1.1.14), while we offer a newer version which contains important security fixes.

We encourage you to download the newer version linked in the download box at the right to be safe from known vulnerabilities and be able to use the newest features in a stable SeaMonkey release.

If you get this message despite having installed SeaMonkey 1.1.15 already, you might want to try resetting your user agent string to the default.


when I read the difference of 1.14 and 1.15 it was mostly for flash 5&6 and we are using 9, and also they fixed the print preview, which I already fixed myself last month Smile I wouldn't worry much about that whenever I already read something about Seamonkey 1.17 being out, and 1.15 only came out today, I think I might wait a week or 2 and then maybe compile what ever is out then, because it takes around 8hrs to get everything compiled/setup the way you sea it. I might do it sooner maybe for 4.2. But WhoDo is talking about making a final release this weekend so that doesn't give me much time.
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 13:51    Post subject:  

OK, thanks!

Will get out of your Inbox so that you may attend to 4.2-Final!

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 15:20    Post subject:  

tuuxxx wrote:
Seamonkey first and foremost is a browser, Can you browse?
I don't agree.
SeaMonkey is a suite, which includes a browser, a mail/news and a composer.
I can understand there are good reasons for a cut down, but I am not sure SeaMonkey + Claws will be that beneficial in size and/or memory footprint.

Users used to the suite should have been warned that their working environment isn't valid anymore.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 17:53    Post subject:  

Béèm wrote:
I can understand there are good reasons for a cut down, but I am not sure SeaMonkey + Claws will be that beneficial in size and/or memory footprint.

Users used to the suite should have been warned that their working environment isn't valid anymore.

Agreed. Remember that we're talking about a development release here, though. Each has been preceded by a Bugs & Fixes post explaining what the differences are. We cannot be responsible if people want to take a chance on being at the "cutting edge" without reading the "warning label"!

That said, I am progressively more nervous about releasing Puppy-4.2 Final with Claws mail instead of the full Seamonkey suite. The saving of nearly 2Mb is very significant to the amount of extra usability we've been able to include in this release, but it is a high price for those used to Seamonkey mail/news.

It is fixable out of the box, of course, by a swift installation of the full package from PETget, but that's not going to impress some users. The best I can offer will be a prominent WARNING Exclamation when the Final release goes up at puppylinux.org I hope that will be enough. Arrow

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 21:33    Post subject:  

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That said, I am progressively more nervous about releasing Puppy-4.2 Final with Claws mail instead of the full Seamonkey suite.


Hey WhoDo

I have refrained from commenting on several occasions
and the reason being is in the end you sign your name to it
that said ....here I go friend Smile

think about this in 3-6 months nobody will remember that
version 4.2 was 2MB larger or smaller they will remember that something didn't work correctly or not though

WhoDo you are holding back
many months ago you made many nice themes
I liked them so much I commented about them long before
you started this project

they would still look good now
and always ,,,,,always .....always trust your gut feelings


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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 00:58    Post subject:  

big_bass wrote:
Quote:
WhoDo
That said, I am progressively more nervous about releasing Puppy-4.2 Final with Claws mail instead of the full Seamonkey suite.


Hey WhoDo

I have refrained from commenting on several occasions
and the reason being is in the end you sign your name to it
that said ....here I go friend Smile

think about this in 3-6 months nobody will remember that
version 4.2 was 2MB larger or smaller they will remember that something didn't work correctly or not though

WhoDo you are holding back
many months ago you made many nice themes
I liked them so much I commented about them long before
you started this project

they would still look good now
and always ,,,,,always .....always trust your gut feelings


big_bass

The difference in size between Seamonkey with mail and Seamonkey with Claws mail is about the same size of Pwidgets/conky. So with that in mind, we might be getting another less effective email client but hey we have some new bling to slow down our Pc's with and also increase the min requirements with, Have you ever read what puppy's mission statement at DistroWatch is, lol
" Yes, Puppy Linux is yet another Linux distribution. What's different here is that Puppy is extraordinarily small, yet quite full featured. Puppy boots into a 64MB ramdisk, and that's it, the whole caboodle runs in RAM. Unlike live CD distributions that have to keep pulling stuff off the CD, Puppy in its entirety loads into RAM. This means that all applications start in the blink of an eye and respond to user input instantly. Puppy Linux has the ability to boot off a flash card or any USB memory device, CDROM, Zip disk or LS/120/240 Superdisk, floppy disks, internal hard drive. It can even use a multisession formatted CD-R/DVD-R to save everything back to the CD/DVD with no hard drive required at all!"

That highlighted statement should read "yet quite Bloated Bling, full featured. Puppy boots into a 256MB ramdisk,"
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 17:50    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
Béèm wrote:
I can understand there are good reasons for a cut down, but I am not sure SeaMonkey + Claws will be that beneficial in size and/or memory footprint.

Users used to the suite should have been warned that their working environment isn't valid anymore.

Agreed. Remember that we're talking about a development release here, though. Each has been preceded by a Bugs & Fixes post explaining what the differences are. We cannot be responsible if people want to take a chance on being at the "cutting edge" without reading the "warning label"!

That said, I am progressively more nervous about releasing Puppy-4.2 Final with Claws mail instead of the full Seamonkey suite. The saving of nearly 2Mb is very significant to the amount of extra usability we've been able to include in this release, but it is a high price for those used to Seamonkey mail/news.

It is fixable out of the box, of course, by a swift installation of the full package from PETget, but that's not going to impress some users. The best I can offer will be a prominent WARNING Exclamation when the Final release goes up at puppylinux.org I hope that will be enough. Arrow
I am thinking in more and more terms of having a good base puppy (4.2 or other) and if 3+ sfs files are supported to add the functionality which fits the user requirements.
f.e.
a SeaMonkey suite sfs
a Opera (suite as well) sfs)
a FireFox+ claws mail sfs.

Well, it's just a thought.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 20:00    Post subject:  

big_bass wrote:
think about this in 3-6 months nobody will remember that version 4.2 was 2MB larger or smaller they will remember that something didn't work correctly or not though

Yes, I know, but thanks for the reminder. Wink After some serious soul searching, package packing and decision making I've decided ... remember you heard it first HERE ...

... Puppy 4.2 Deep Thought will ship with the FULL Seamonkey-1.1.14 suite including Mail & News! Shocked Cool Shocked

Yep. You heard it right! Claws mail is no more. The final straw was the thought that some poor Puppy users out there might lose their existing mail and have no idea what to do to get it back! I just couldn't risk the bad Karma that might bring to Puppy.

Don't ask me HOW but I have managed that with only 300kb more to find to bring the whole package in under 100Mb! Any suggestions? Razz

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 20:11    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
big_bass wrote:
think about this in 3-6 months nobody will remember that version 4.2 was 2MB larger or smaller they will remember that something didn't work correctly or not though

Yes, I know, but thanks for the reminder. Wink After some serious soul searching, package packing and decision making I've decided ... remember you heard it first HERE ...

... Puppy 4.2 Deep Thought will ship with the FULL Seamonkey-1.1.14 suite including Mail & News! Shocked Cool Shocked

Yep. You heard it right! Claws mail is no more. The final straw was the thought that some poor Puppy users out there might lose their existing mail and have no idea what to do to get it back! I just couldn't risk the bad Karma that might bring to Puppy.

Don't ask me HOW but I have managed that with only 300kb more to find to bring the whole package in under 100Mb! Any suggestions? Razz

Did you use the stripped libs I provided that should of given you 500kb extra compressed or 1.44 extracted.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 20:14    Post subject:  

Also it might be best to add the last claws package to the repo, for the users who like claws over seamonkey, since that very is a classic meaning that its the last ssl to work out of the box for puppy without changing ssl backends.
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Mar 2009, 08:29    Post subject:  

@ttuuxxx - I have tested Seamonkey-1.1.15 in a pre-Release 4.2 and it works great! LOVE that throbber!!! Razz Cool Shocked

It also saves me some space and gets me that much closer to the target. Thanks for that. Cool

@all - Puppy-4.2 Final will have the FULL Seamonkey-1.1.15 suite, and the INS key bug has been squashed. I know because I just tested it while typing this message and your seeing it is the PROOF! Razz

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Mar 2009, 09:37    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
@ttuuxxx - I have tested Seamonkey-1.1.15 in a pre-Release 4.2 and it works great! LOVE that throbber!!! Razz Cool Shocked

It also saves me some space and gets me that much closer to the target. Thanks for that. Cool

@all - Puppy-4.2 Final will have the FULL Seamonkey-1.1.15 suite, and the INS key bug has been squashed. I know because I just tested it while typing this message and your seeing it is the PROOF! Razz


Hey Whodo did you use the whole gtk pet or did you do a trial and error to see which file was need to squash the ins bug? If so which file did it?
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