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#271 Post by pa_mcclamrock »

WhoDo wrote:
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WhoDo wrote:1. I have RC3 all but ready to release. Apart from one or two program updates and bug fixes, the only significant change will be the inclusion of pa_mcclamrock's Remaster Express (RemaX).
I just need a little more time for debugging . . . let's see how I'm doing by tomorrow, OK? :D
Good news!8) Hmmmm.... Black Friday release .... :shock:
Let me see, it's already Friday morning in Australia . . . don't be surprised if it turns out to be Saturday or so, according to your time at least.
I was wondering when I'd hear from you, David.
You would have heard from me before now, I think, if not for the need to make sure all the package listings go into the right files in a remastered CD and correctly say the packages are "on" or "off," which isn't as simple a task as one might hope. :roll: After I get done trying to make sure they do, shall I volunteer to help unify and otherwise improve (though not radically transform) the Puppy package management system? (Zigbert was just suggesting that PETget needs some improvement, like being able to install multiple packages upon a single request. I could, um, suggest a few other desirable improvements too.)
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#272 Post by WhoDo »

pa_mcclamrock wrote:After I get done trying to make sure they do, shall I volunteer to help unify and otherwise improve (though not radically transform) the Puppy package management system?
BarryK has developed a whole new package management system (see his blog for details), but I don't know how easily that will port back to the standard Puppy. It will certainly be an integral part of all Puppy's built using the Woof build system.

An alternative might be to offer your assistance to Technosaurus for the Puppy Control Panel project. It's all there but needs some rethinking in the area of what appears on the main screen, how and why ... not to mention a better way of providing contextualised help for users. Technosaurus is at an impasse with that part of his project so your assistance would surely be welcomed.

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#273 Post by ttuuxxx »

WhoDo wrote:
pa_mcclamrock wrote:After I get done trying to make sure they do, shall I volunteer to help unify and otherwise improve (though not radically transform) the Puppy package management system?
BarryK has developed a whole new package management system (see his blog for details), but I don't know how easily that will port back to the standard Puppy. It will certainly be an integral part of all Puppy's built using the Woof build system.

An alternative might be to offer your assistance to Technosaurus for the Puppy Control Panel project. It's all there but needs some rethinking in the area of what appears on the main screen, how and why ... not to mention a better way of providing contextualised help for users. Technosaurus is at an impasse with that part of his project so your assistance would surely be welcomed.

Cheers
Hey WhoDo

Don't forget about the control panel app I set you like 1.5 months back remember ?? Its more user friendly, and appealing to the eye, plus it was nice and small also? aren't we still going with that one? since I guess the secret is out of the bag now. :)
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#274 Post by WhoDo »

ttuuxxx wrote:Don't forget about the control panel app I set you like 1.5 months back remember ??
Only vaguely. I've had so much stuff in the last 2 months its possible I've forgotten to include it. Can you send it to me again, please?
ttuuxxx wrote:Ps once I'm done this VLC, I'll start on seamonkey
Thanks, Jeff. It may be 2Mb too big for this release but I wouldn't mind betting there are plenty of Seamonkey mail users who would like the option.

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#275 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hi WhoDo here's the control panel applications, The thing I like about it is that you can add more applications to it using the gui, but its a hidden feature, that way new users can't mess it up :)
plus you can use any size ions, 24x24 48x48 etc
I guess we could start with 24x24 due to the limited space :) but 48x48 would be sweeeeeet, below is 2 icons for the desktop, the orange one I recoloured.
You can also edit applications in root/. i forget the name, It would take me about 1 day to add all the applications and tabs.
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#276 Post by ttuuxxx »

funny the example I had with the control panel WhoDo removed, so the icon, link is missing, When I get a bit of free time I'll repackage it with a few working apps.
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#277 Post by ttuuxxx »

hey WhoDo

One thing we overlooked with cups, if you change the default browser to Firefox/Opera/FirePup etc, cups doesn't work right, I've modified the script so it continues to work with gtkmoz and seamonkey.
Just install the pet and it will be fixed, and for the main release just extract the /usr/sbin/cups_shell and replace it with the cups version your using.
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#278 Post by WhoDo »

ttuuxxx wrote:Just install the pup and it will be fixed, and for the main release just extract the /usr/sbin/cups_shell and replace it with the cups version your using.
ummmm.... what "pup"? :?
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#279 Post by ttuuxxx »

WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:Just install the pup and it will be fixed, and for the main release just extract the /usr/sbin/cups_shell and replace it with the cups version your using.
ummmm.... what "pup"? :?
Sorry I meant pet, The wife was distracting me :shock: -ing lol
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#280 Post by pa_mcclamrock »

WhoDo wrote:CUPS is working, wireless is working, pa_mcclamrock is working ...
Update on me working (i.e., on Remaster Express): Package list files appear to be coming out OK; all major and obvious bugs have been squashed; I've burned test CDs and DVDs, and they work. I'm just double-checking some things, putting on a few finishing touches, and debugging one last feature: "Restore System," to let the user re-install built-in packages (i.e., delete whiteout files) on the existing system if desired, after uninstalling them to create a new live-CD. Won't get done before I have to go to work this morning, but should be done by this evening (Saturday morning in Australia) or, at the latest, tomorrow morning (Saturday evening in Australia).
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#281 Post by WhoDo »

pa_mcclamrock wrote:Won't get done before I have to go to work this morning, but should be done by this evening (Saturday morning in Australia) or, at the latest, tomorrow morning (Saturday evening in Australia).
Don't want to put any pressure on you, pa, but that's the only thing we need for RC3! :P :lol: :lol: I've even saved you just enough space! Without RemaX RC3 would be 99.87Mb so we should just about get it in under the limit! 8)
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#282 Post by WhoDo »

ttuuxxx wrote:Sorry I meant pet, The wife was distracting me :shock: -ing lol
I've only got one thing to say to your wife ... YOU GO GIRL!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#283 Post by pa_mcclamrock »

WhoDo wrote:Don't want to put any pressure on you, pa [ . . . ]
To paraphrase the well-known expression from H.M.S. Pinafore: "Well, hardly any!" :lol:
[ . . . ] but that's the only thing we need for RC3! :P :lol: :lol: I've even saved you just enough space! Without RemaX RC3 would be 99.87Mb so we should just about get it in under the limit! 8)
Let me see, even with recent additions, it should come out under 30 KB compressed, which is, um, roughly 0.03 MB . . . that's 99.9 MB, all right!
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#284 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hey WhoDo

Have you, say opened a configure file up in Geany lately? The colours are hard to focus on, So I made a configure file for it, it installs to /root/.config/geany <--- hidden file. Anyways I used a better font in bold and a bit larger size, it looks a heck of a lot better, and I have 20/20 vision. So probably most will like it also, compared to the default, once again just extract it and overwrite the one in the package. If you like it better :wink:
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#285 Post by WhoDo »

pa_mcclamrock wrote:
WhoDo wrote:Don't want to put any pressure on you, pa [ . . . ]
To paraphrase the well-known expression from H.M.S. Pinafore: "Well, hardly any!" :lol:
Ah, Gilbert & Sullivan ... I've seen and been seen in a few of those in my time! :P
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#286 Post by Aitch »

WhoDo

I notice on the wiki todo list - Pctorrent could get a cleaner gui AND P2P client needed

Perhaps a different torrent client altogether which includes P2P, & is maybe more suited to Puppy philosophy?

http://www.linux.com/feature/119250
* Easy Downloading:
Simple keyword search, youtube grid,...

* Wealth of Content:
BitTorrent, YouTube, and Liveleak

* All-in-one Solution:
Serverless P2P File Sharing, VLC player, Divx codecs, Flash plugin, Podcasts, ...

* Intelligent Taste Recognition

* Go beyond BitTorrent...
Youtube demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvNYVEN2Tc

Apparently it IS ported to linux, but I can't get to the link [I'm on my Win laptop, which only links to Win d/l]

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…(reads notes on rc2.. after initial testing ".. animal, vegetable or mineral ..", who needs a player when one has the in-head version :lol: ).

1) a surprise the 1st time it happens ;)
Well, when I finally got to the shed for testing, it was time to adjust for DST here .. so
.. better-looking Set date and time *BUT* infreakingcredibly rude-stupid after-the-fact warning of screenblank plus lost sync of setting in the screenblank that is going to PANIC any n00B doing it the 1st time (plus it got the TZ offset wrong in the mssg, not in GMT-8).. bad and/or confusing info in mssgs dressed a bit better for this x-app (I give it a 3 out of 10 for a personal grade) it should absolutely be done better!

big ol' 350kb fulldesk screenie in jwm-beta
I really have to stop talking to myself in xpad(;

2) jwm-mainmenu-Setup-PCP (both in big screenielink above)
a) rc2 one is okay (did I mention a 2tone TT doesn't really seem to say 'country/localization'? ah, l'Orange should do nicely) .. the mix of xmssg, etc doesn't help presentation either (or having dialogs return after they're set, but that's minor and perhaps to be expected for linux gui input)
b) trying the .pet one from Technosaurus .. good job organizing and buttoning the notes (tooltips would have been even better, but :| )

3) very minor niggles with rc2 proper
a) the tray clock still 'jerks' in Jwm (since it's not using a monospace font, DUH)
b) /usr/etc/gtk(symlink to ../../../gtk+-2.12.1/etc/gtk-2.0) seems to be a mistake-warning triangle, deleting the symlink seems to have no ill effects.
c) Switching Gtk theme destroys the desktop contents (kind of same manifest as that 1st jwm tasktray poof) - I should have mentioned this last time (sry) .. whatever widows were up lose prefs (like leafpad) .. see if re-X brings pupevent and the few I had left - YEP (too many gtk themes? seems like .. and I'm sorry but I *must* use my own poor turq41 .. at least until I can do something with MurrinaShadow like I started at one time in the not so distant past and then got sidetracked from completing) yaddayaddayadda
d) in geany-prefs, still no Firefox (default browser) - I usually substitute gtkmoz or leave Fx as a 'dummy' - likely this is merely an obscure remnant pref

4) final notes on some adds
@Pa' - thanks for the fonts (nice selection, especially appreciate a few good monos as recent releases seem to be a bit lacking in readability as far as ttfs go). Another reason I gave up on printers .. cheap inkjets will forever fail at character subtleties.
@WhoDo (orange.tar.gz)
Nice icon theme, wondered where it went (ah, was in the shop) ..

5) addendas while waiting for plmf to load . . . .
pp14.10 and 14.14 - one file association (mime?) that always gets me is .mht (webpage archive like ie and opera do), much of the time if I try to set it Rox associates it as part of the text documents family rather than as an archived webpage .. so I have to undo that 'association' and just use a general open with so it doesn't try to use opera as a default text editor/viewer
p15.8 - used both Xvesa and Xorg (both have strengths and weaknesses) Xvesa is much quicker on reloading X (note also to perhaps change wording of installs - REBOOT is probably a bit much when one only has to reload the X server), also Xvesa maps my sidebutton on the maus as a middlebutton2 (Xorg makes me deathgrip and scrollwheelpress :( ) .. doubtless more minor messing about is indicated with xorg.conf :P

jwm-beta is fine in RC2, lol a Q for Quit buttonmask..
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#288 Post by pa_mcclamrock »

pa_mcclamrock wrote:Won't get done [with Remaster Express] before I have to go to work this morning, but should be done by this evening (Saturday morning in Australia) or, at the latest, tomorrow morning (Saturday evening in Australia).
Good morning, Australia, how are you? :D Here it is, still only about 26 KB compressed. Everything should be pretty obvious from the built-in documentation the user sees at every step. I can't find any more bugs to squash--anyone who can, please let me know at once. Prompt action promised on all bug reports!
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#289 Post by 01micko »

pa_mcclamrock wrote:
pa_mcclamrock wrote:Won't get done [with Remaster Express] before I have to go to work this morning, but should be done by this evening (Saturday morning in Australia) or, at the latest, tomorrow morning (Saturday evening in Australia).
Good morning, Australia, how are you? :D Here it is, still only about 26 KB compressed. Everything should be pretty obvious from the built-in documentation the user sees at every step. I can't find any more bugs to squash--anyone who can, please let me know at once. Prompt action promised on all bug reports!
G'day Pa!

I'm sure by the time you wake up tomorrow you'll be downloading rc3!

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#290 Post by panzerpuppy »

Hurry up with the release...my DVD rewriter is hungry :D
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