Puppy 4.2 RC3 Deep Thought - Bugs & Fixes

[esmourguit]

Bonjour,
Sorry for the inconvenience caused by localized Petget. I do not understand from where came issue. I have downloaded the file that I put online March 6,
Once installed in RC3, it works without problem.
See image attached.

[pa_mcclamrock]

WhoDo answer this then, If users which have 256MB of and Pwidgets alone takes 14% of their memory, is it fair that every time time they run a live cd that there PC will run like crap off boot

That's what RemaX (Remaster Express) is for.

On my system, at least, it just took me about 7 minutes using Remaster Express to produce a live-CD (CD-RW burned at about 10x) with no Pwidgets, and more than half of that time was spent either creating the heap big squashfile or burning the CD, during which I could do other things. Simplified steps: (1) In the Setup menu, select "Remaster Express - custom live-CD creator." (2) Click the "Remaster Slimmer" button. (3) Check off the pwidgets package in the Remaster Slimmer window. (4) Click the "UNINSTALL PACKAGES" button, and then the "Done" button. (5) Follow the rest of the steps as they appear in order in the main window. (6) At the end, click "Modify System and Exit" so Pwidgets won't reappear on your existing system before you get a chance to reboot with the new live-CD. The whole process took less of my time than--er--the production of one pointless polemic against Pwidgets would have taken.

I've only just started to come back to life after a week in lurgy hell!

If you can get out of it, it's purgatory, not hell.

[ttuuxxx]

WhoDo answer this then, If users which have 256MB of and Pwidgets alone takes 14% of their memory, is it fair that every time time they run a live cd that there PC will run like crap off boot

That's what RemaX (Remaster Express) is for.

On my system, at least, it just took me about 7 minutes using Remaster Express to produce a live-CD (CD-RW burned at about 10x) with no Pwidgets, and more than half of that time was spent either creating the heap big squashfile or burning the CD, during which I could do other things. Simplified steps: (1) In the Setup menu, select "Remaster Express - custom live-CD creator." (2) Click the "Remaster Slimmer" button. (3) Check off the pwidgets package in the Remaster Slimmer window. (4) Click the "UNINSTALL PACKAGES" button, and then the "Done" button. (5) Follow the rest of the steps as they appear in order in the main window. (6) At the end, click "Modify System and Exit" so Pwidgets won't reappear on your existing system before you get a chance to reboot with the new live-CD. The whole process took less of my time than--er--the production of one pointless polemic against Pwidgets would have taken.

I've only just started to come back to life after a week in lurgy hell!

If you can get out of it, it's purgatory, not hell.

Its a bit more compilcated than that, pwidgets is the small fry of the mess, conky and the icon switcher, is really the problem I have, the 133 system links in root, so does your Remaster the iconswitcher so we can revert back to the earlier 4.12 series and due away with those dumb-as system links ? Why not give it a try, Better you than me
after your done, you should be able to delete /root/my-applications/bin folder, restartX and change the desktop icons in that order. Oh you might have to replace the fixmenus also.
I just don't think it will work as easy as you think.
ttuuxxx

[dejan555]

Ehm, maybe I can't see it, but where's the restart jwm in shutdown dialog? I see Restart X and Restart with icewm, but not restart jwm? Or we don't need this, so it's intentionaly left out?

EDIT: OK, guess the Refresh Menus is put there instead?

[pa_mcclamrock]

pwidgets is the small fry of the mess, conky and the icon switcher, is really the problem I have [ . . . ]

Give me a complete list of the packages you think need to be uninstalled, and I'll see what happens when they're uninstalled.

so does your Remaster the iconswitcher so we can revert back to the earlier 4.12 series and due away with those dumb-as system links?

You can use "Expert Mode" in Remaster Express to list and uninstall any built-in package that comes with Puppy 4.2.

after you['re] done, you should be able to delete /root/my-applications/bin folder, restartX and change the desktop icons in that order. Oh you might have to replace the fixmenus also.
I just don't think it will work as easy as you think.

As for those things, I'm afraid you're on your own. I don't like Pwidgets either, but I don't think it's worth the time and effort to do a lot more than just get rid of Pwidgets. If you do, how about explaining why in a separate thread, and not continuing to complain in this thread about the decision to include Pwidgets in Puppy 4.2?

[dejan555]

Modify /usr/X11R7/bin/wmreboot to comment out the line near the end as follows:

Code: Select all

#exec killall -9 X #v1.0.7 make sure X is killed.

It worked, please do not neglect that for final release, don't wanna imagine new user's faces when screen blacks out with PC still powered

[Béèm]

My install is frugal with the Lin'N'Win method.
After installing rc3, I wanted to see some things in previous releases of 4.10. So I copied the corresponding pup_420.sfs to /mnt/home before rebooting and selecting that version.
I rebooted and when done did the same to prepare for a next version switch. As the copy operation is merely a copy-replace I didn't expect trouble, but still I got a message 'not enough space'. I then saw that I only had 33MB as a pup_420.sfs file. I deleted and freed some 300MB.
I went on with this process to change releases a couple of times until I again had a msg 'not enough space left' and had a 1.5MB pup_420.MB file.

So I wonder what happens to the 300MB I had freed.

How can I regain this lost space?

[murmelbahn]

Not sure whether this has been mentioned before, or is intended, but Ptray seems to be version 0.4.
Editing the tray will lead to it getting messed up, at least on my PC.
Ptray 0.5 thread is here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 61&t=38439

Many thanks to all the team working on Puppy 4.2.

[davesurrey]

Nothing life threatening but just some small points to add polish:

1. trash and lock are initially positioned bottom right corner and get obliterated by pwidgets.

2. mousing (is this a word, if not it should be) over ptray, some of the text describing each icon still gets cut off at the top.

3. trying to change the location (geographical, not position on the desktop) for the weather applet on pwidgets (by File>Show widget config file) points to /root/.pwidgets/scripts/Weather but I think that should be
/root/.pwidgets/configs/Weather to make the changes.

Slightly more worrying for newbies:

When I downloaded rc3 (skipped rc2) I tried to do a full install. Tried 3 times but on every occsasion it failed to mount the CD and I had to mount it manually.
Never had this happen before on any puppy and just did a 412 full install to test and all is well.
Dave

[ttuuxxx]

Hey WhoDO
Well I have firefox 3.0.7 compiled, it needed the newer png that I gave you sometime back that you didn't put into the build, The one with animated png, patched. after that I packaged up the usr/lib/firefox and it was 8.3MB probably closer to 8.5MB by the time I add the rest of the files it needs, The other thing firefox needed to compile was,
fontconfig-2.6.0
freetype-2.3.9
libtool-2.2.
If you want these packages just let me know and I'll upload them.
Also Cairo is outdated, well I rolled back the min version in the configure and then compiled it, With seamonkey there's a patch to compile with the version of GTK that we have, it was messed up from mozilla from day one, That allows us to compile Seamonkey as Gtk2 and thats it, Butttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt on the other hand since there isn't a patch for firefox we are stuck building FireFox as Gtk2+Cairo that is outdated, we can't update Cairo without breaking the system, So this is the reason why FF3 is slow and drags on puppy, our little puppy is outdated and can't be fixed without a major overhaul. That is why opera and the older Seamonkey due well on puppy and same with FirePup that was compiled only as Gtk2 like Seamonkey.
Talking about FirePup Tonight I had another look at it, when I built it, I didn't strip the bins or .so files -ing , so I did and guess what it went from a 12MB pet down to 9.8MB with 2 updated plugins and a newer theme pretty good for all that comes with it anyways tomorrow I'll upload the new Firefox for you to have for the repo, its late tonight and it would take sometime to finish putting it together.
ttuuxxx

Ps ever noticed that the Seamonkey spell check, doesn't recognize the word Seamonkey, its always underlined, how stupid of them, lol

[zigbert]

Not sure whether this has been mentioned before, or is intended, but Ptray seems to be version 0.4.
Editing the tray will lead to it getting messed up, at least on my PC.
Ptray 0.5 thread is here:

- The version in Puppy 4.2 rc3 is 0.5. Titlebar shows wrong. My fault.
- The default config file is made by hand to get a better icon for rxvt.
- Cups_shell should be replaced by gtklpq. Warren has already hacked Ptray to support the shutdown dialog, so I hope he will change this.

pa_mcclamrock
If you want to know how pwidgets works, you should ask me. Others seems to have many answers that are far out of line. But as you said, - that topic doesn't belong here.

trying to change the location (geographical, not position on the desktop) for the weather applet on pwidgets (by File>Show widget config file) points to /root/.pwidgets/scripts/Weather but I think that should be
/root/.pwidgets/configs/Weather to make the changes.

I think both files you refer to shows up in the editor????? Else, this is the next enhancement of pwidgets. The Pwidgets team works to let user write those config files from gui, instead of manually editing.


Sigmund

[tronkel]

This was compiled by tempestuous some while back. Size of pet is 3.6MB

http://minipc.org/ipup/download/claws-mail-3.5.0.pet

This is an older version of Claws but works OK in 4.20 RC3. SSL is OK and so no problems with IMAP in Gmail. Not many plugins there, but that's not so urgent.

[ttuuxxx]

- Cups_shell should be replaced by gtklpq.
Sigmund

If it aint broken leave it alone! having 3 options is fine, don't go messing with the cups script, if you delete that, It starts a chain reaction and printing would be broken. Trust me its not time to start messing with cups if its working, walk away slowly, on your tippy toes. lol
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Warren has already hacked Ptray to support the shutdown dialog.

Actually it was I, who altered/edited, not hacked, Ptray for the shutdown script.
ttuuxxx

[davesurrey]

Hello Zigbert,
Yes you are quite correct in that both files show up...but, as I think I have just proved, it's very easy to overlook the config file, as I have, as the script file is the one that shows first.
If you are going to a gui approach then even better but, (especially as I have no idea why the script file is there in the first place when Show Widgets Config File is selected,) it may be better to have the Config file show up when File>Show Widgets Config file is selected.
Let's make things easy is my motto.
Cheers
Dave

[ttuuxxx]

This was compiled by tempestuous some while back. Size of pet is 3.6MB

http://minipc.org/ipup/download/claws-mail-3.5.0.pet

This is an older version of Claws but works OK in 4.20 RC3. SSL is OK and so no problems with IMAP in Gmail. Not many plugins there, but that's not so urgent.

hi tronkel guess what, you gave me a idea, I looked at the version you supplied above and then the light bulb went on, the problem we are having with ssl is that the latest build doesn't support it, it supports gnuTLS, So I went and looked online and yes thats what people were saying, so then I went to ubuntu and download the latest version that they had sources with ssl and tried to compile it and yes, ssl was included, I'll package it up once I get it all together and post it for you to test
ttuuxxx

[tronkel]

ttuuxxx wrote:

hi tronkel guess what, you gave me a idea

OK good idea to try that. Hope it compiles OK.

Let me know when it's ready and I'll give it a spin here. Might save space in the final ISO by not having to go back to the full Seamonkey.

Did you manage to compile any of the plugins as yet? I would be interested in the PGP encryption stuff - but that's not a priority at the moment.

RC3 is looking very good now, so the final ought to be a real classic.
With a bit of tweaking, it's now a feasible replacement for Debian/Ubuntu. It's looks are way ahead of any of these two as well.

Once Woof is up and running, it would certainly make a good basis for a CE edition that uses this approach that you have used here with RC3.

[ttuuxxx]

ttuuxxx wrote:

hi tronkel guess what, you gave me a idea

OK good idea to try that. Hope it compiles OK.

Let me know when it's ready and I'll give it a spin here. Might save space in the final ISO by not having to go back to the full Seamonkey.

Did you manage to compile any of the plugins as yet? I would be interested in the PGP encryption stuff - but that's not a priority at the moment.

RC3 is looking very good now, so the final ought to be a real classic.
With a bit of tweaking, it's now a feasible replacement for Debian/Ubuntu. It's looks are way ahead of any of these two as well.

Once Woof is up and running, it would certainly make a good basis for a CE edition that uses this approach that you have used here with RC3.

Hi tronkel ok here's the scoupe, Claws mail 7.1 7.0, 6.1 <---No ssl
Claws 5.0, 6.0 <--- Yes ssl
what I did is took the configure script from 6.0 and placed it in 7.1 and compiled it, it compiled fine but I don't know if its working ??
so thats your first quest, don't go by the help menu because they have it removed as an item, it also says, claws mail 6.0(because of the older script) but if you go to the help/about menu you'll see 7.1.
If it works great If not I also compiled 6.0, thats the second test, that one ssl should work no matter what, it uses the system spellcheck so that saves 2mb on the package size and its still around a 600kb saving over seamonkey mail.
name:puppy
password:linux
you'll probably have to type it in twice
ttuuxxx

http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... html-1.pet
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... html-1.pet

[ttuuxxx]

Well its bedtime but before I go, I booted up puppy 4.2 RC3 on my other pc, when I click the menu button on JWM, and open and closed the menu, the black shape of the menu stayed on the desktop covering the icons &desktop image, it was the menu shape but solid black. Then I tried it on IceWm and it worked fine, any Ideas???
ttuuxxx

[tronkel]

OK good work with Claws-Mail ttuuxxx.

Tested both in the latest 4.20RC3

The 3.7-html version does not appear to have SSL, so is not a go-er.
However, the 3.6-html version does have SSL and it works.

There was a missing library in both versions called libiconv.so.2
I downloaded your Lib version from puppylinux.ca and that seemed to work OK when symlinked within /usr/lib. Would be good if that dependency was also included in your Claws-Mail package.

Another minor point, when starting the mail composer, an error message came up and complained that there was no spell checker.

Claws-Mail is a compact and nice-looking program. I must say though, that it appeared to struggle a bit with my Gmail account in that it was a bit slow in downloading all the headers. It got there in the end though.

To sum up then:

If you decide to go for Claws at all, use your latest 3.6 version plus that missing library. At least the choice is there now. Well done