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I have used Puppy 4.20 from alpha stage, no major problems.
Just downloaded RC4.
I didn't find RC4 treath, if this is in wrong place please move or remove.

In welcome message it says "A readout in taskbar shows how much working space left in RAM.", i don't get that reading in there. See picture. Haven't tested that in earlier versions.

When i do following: boot pfix=ram, stop widgets, close side trays.
Blinky appears top left of screen. See picture. Not happened earlier.

When i started pwidgets again, it appears in lower left corner. See picture. Not happened in earlier releases.

EDIT:
There is empty buttons in top bar. See picture.

ecomoney wrote:Have you given any thought to additional applications for 4.2? Currently there are no easily available/discoverable ways to get the two biggest open source applications onto puppy, Firefox 3 and Openoffice. AFAIK they are not available from the desktop "install" icon, which will probably be the first place people will look.

These are available as both .pet and .sfs add-ons. The community continues to supply these "extras" at no extra cost so we don't have to think about them in the standard release.

Now if you're talking about a new CE version, however, that's quite possibly on the cards. There already are KOffice and Open Office .sfs packs and I use the KOffice one myself to great effect. I don't use Firefox 3 but I know there is a pet for that and that's only one step away from an .sfs too!

ecomoney wrote:I hate to drop this on you Whodo, as you seem to have so much on your plate.

Have you given any thought to additional applications for 4.2? Currently there are no easily available/discoverable ways to get the two biggest open source applications onto puppy, Firefox 3 and Openoffice. AFAIK they are not available from the desktop "install" icon, which will probably be the first place people will look.

If the person using 4.2 is a new linux user, they may probably be looking for these packages (which are both windows and linux), just to clutch at something familiar.

Perhaps is something you could delegate (not to me I dont have the skills....yet)

Keep up the good work, do as many releases as it takes to get it right.

To tell you the truth puppy in current forum does not support Firefox 3. It would be wrong to add it. I've compiled it a few times . But I will assure you that, I'll advance puppy in the near future to support FF3 out of the box. I've compiled the latest Glib, Gtk, Cairo, on 4 series, but for that to work, I'll have to include a updated compiler to match it. So it will take some time. But before that I have a smaller no-bling puppy to build, a few living water's and fire Hydrant's to build, and then finally maybe what you ask for.
Ps I might move it up a bit in the list is people really need it.
ttuuxxx

I didn't find RC4 treath, if this is in wrong place please move or remove.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40158

These are available as both .pet and .sfs add-ons. The community continues to supply these "extras" at no extra cost so we don't have to think about them in the standard release.

He means having them as part of the Unleashed tree, but not actually built-in, so that they can be installed by running PetGet, without the need to search for a package on the forum or anything.

To tell you the truth puppy in current forum does not support Firefox 3.

Is that so? You mention compiling, but what about the precompiled version Mozilla offers? I've been using that in Puppy 4.1.2 for a long time now, with the only issues being Flash-related, and much much rarer than they used to be a couple years ago. The only dependencies that seem to be missing are a number of gnome-related things, and they don't seem to be making a difference.

Pizzasgood wrote:

I didn't find RC4 treath, if this is in wrong place please move or remove.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40158

These are available as both .pet and .sfs add-ons. The community continues to supply these "extras" at no extra cost so we don't have to think about them in the standard release.

He means having them as part of the Unleashed tree, but not actually built-in, so that they can be installed by running PetGet, without the need to search for a package on the forum or anything.

To tell you the truth puppy in current forum does not support Firefox 3.

Is that so? You mention compiling, but what about the precompiled version Mozilla offers? I've been using that in Puppy 4.1.2 for a long time now, with the only issues being Flash-related, and much much rarer than they used to be a couple years ago. The only dependencies that seem to be missing are a number of gnome-related things, and they don't seem to be making a difference.

Hi Pizzasgood
a good way to test it, is basically click on addon- themes, once it has the pop open from ff3, it will open a webpage, to the themes, now move the scroll bar up and down. How good is it running at a Mozilla website?????????????????
ttuuxxx

These are available as both .pet and .sfs add-ons. The community continues to supply these "extras" at no extra cost so we don't have to think about them in the standard release.
He means having them as part of the Unleashed tree, but not actually built-in, so that they can be installed by running PetGet, without the need to search for a package on the forum or anything.

Thats what I meant to say PG, the "unleashed tree". I only ask because the other day it took me three hours to track down a [ur=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37593l]very buggy version of openoffice[/url] which we needed for 4.2. The wikis are out of date on both these subjects, and google only lists very old information. Seamonkey, while doing very well for its size, does have difficulty rendering some sites properly, and a fully fledged firefox (with a recent flashplayer and JAVA) should be an easy and simple upgrade. The whole 4.2 user experience needs to be taken into consideration, not just the contents of the .iso

Sorry to pile more on your overburdened plate.

Hi Pizzasgood
a good way to test it, is basically click on addon- themes, once it has the pop open from ff3, it will open a webpage, to the themes, now move the scroll bar up and down. How good is it running at a Mozilla website?????????????????
ttuuxxx

Feels a little choppy there, and it's like that in some other places too. I've been less than impressed with Firefox's performance lately. Scrolling on "fancy" pages like Gmail tends to be choppy, but simple places like this forum work fine (assuming the forum itself is working, that is.) And it isn't my hardware - I have a 2GB of ram and a 3GHz processor, and right now I'm even using a kernel with SMP enabled to take advantage of hyper-threading.

Do you mean that the poor performance is due to an insufficiency in Puppy and not Firefox? I don't currently have any other distros installed to compare against.

trio wrote: Maybe this helps
i had the same problem when puppy detect that my interface is bcm43xx

so work around is:
I found that b43 can be used with success (by trying similar modules one by one)
I blacklisted bcm43xx and rebooted
go to network wizard again and choose b43
next reboot --> all's well

cheers

Thanks trio, that fixed it. Now the damn package manager does not work! .pets downloaded via the browser dont install either.

DaveS wrote: Thanks trio, that fixed it. Now the damn package manager does not work! .pets downloaded via the browser dont install either.

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - Discussed all thru this thread, fix given near the begiining.

Package manager working fine in RC4, BUT, wifi only works after fiddling around with modules, then settings dont stick between boots and no matter what I do I cant print to my network printer. 4.2 seems more pretty than functional just now, but it is VERY pretty! Rendering in Seamonkey is good too, with fonts looking sharp. Kinda frustrated just now, I just wish I had more skills.

tempestuous:

" If you're referring to the Intel wifi, I've answered that question before "

Thanks mate.

Chris

DaveS wrote:

trio wrote: Maybe this helps
i had the same problem when puppy detect that my interface is bcm43xx

so work around is:
I found that b43 can be used with success (by trying similar modules one by one)
I blacklisted bcm43xx and rebooted
go to network wizard again and choose b43
next reboot --> all's well

cheers

Thanks trio, that fixed it. Now the damn package manager does not work! .pets downloaded via the browser dont install either.

How do I blacklist the module I dont want please?

DaveS wrote: How do I blacklist the module I dont want please?

OK, I found it in the network wizard. Shame it dont work though! Blacklisted module still loads.

OK, so I am just an ordinary user. 4.1.1 recognized my wifi network correctly out of the box, and after configuring, always loads it correctly at boot. 4.2 RC4 cant do this. 4.1.1 was simple to set up printing on, and has remained bulletproof in this area. I have yet to succeed in printing anything in 4.2. Clicking a link in an email in seamonkey brings up the browser. This is not the case in Claws, though there may be a configuration to make this happen somewhere that I have not yet found.
Just now, I cannot be productive with 4.2. Just now it represents a backward step. This is a pity as I am very aware of the huge amount of work that the developers have put in. Sometimes life sucks a bit.

4.2 software
http://pupweb.org/wikka/AdditionalPrograms

click on install
http://pupweb.org/desktop/

sata80 wrote:I have used Puppy 4.20 from alpha stage, no major problems.
Just downloaded RC4.
I didn't find RC4 treath, if this is in wrong place please move or remove.

In welcome message it says "A readout in taskbar shows how much working space left in RAM.", i don't get that reading in there. See picture. Haven't tested that in earlier versions.

When i do following: boot pfix=ram, stop widgets, close side trays.
Blinky appears top left of screen. See picture. Not happened earlier.

When i started pwidgets again, it appears in lower left corner. See picture. Not happened in earlier releases.

EDIT:
There is empty buttons in top bar. See picture.

Can you try this version of blinky and freememory and report back if it fixes your issues, just install the package and 'Refresh' your menu.
ttuuxxx
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=16178

DaveS wrote:Package manager working fine in RC4, BUT, wifi only works after fiddling around with modules, then settings dont stick between boots and no matter what I do I cant print to my network printer. 4.2 seems more pretty than functional just now, but it is VERY pretty! Rendering in Seamonkey is good too, with fonts looking sharp. Kinda frustrated just now, I just wish I had more skills.

OK, I figured out printing to some extent. I am using a HP Photosmart C4380 wifi printer. There is no driver shipped with Puppy for this printer, so I downloaded the hpijs-2.8.2_static pet via the package manager which contains the driver, and which I have used with total success in 4.1.1. I was getting filter errors, so I deleted this .pet, and messed around with the drivers that ship as standard, and found one that works. Now printing is fine.
If I could now just figure the wifi issue, I would be there.

Just to let you know, I encountered some problems with beta 1 and some internal wireless cards. I heard it reported previously. Im yet to identify one type of card, but the other one was a fairly common intel 2200 mini-pci chipset (something that is on the list of wireless drivers available in the network wizard). This driver wasnt loaded automatically at bootup, and attempting to load it from the internet connection wizard cause some kind of "really bad" sounding error message.....I apologise for not taking this down...I was at a collegues house at the time, and the equipment was not my own.

It may be good to double check the wireless support, as I have read earlier that some other people have problems....I remember there was a version of puppy went out as an "official version" with the wireless broken before

Also...may I ask why pWidgets doesnt work in icewm?....I think I may already suspect the reason.

ecomoney wrote:
Also...may I ask why pWidgets doesnt work in icewm?....I think I may already suspect the reason.

You are so wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off with that statement, come one, I can complain on here until I'm blue in the face, but noway would I ever interfere backhandedly to sabotage Pwidgets in icewm, if that was to be removed that would be done by the forces that be, Mr WhoDo himself, noway am I even going to come close to wearing that statement.
ttuuxxx

Well in that case Ttuxxx, Im glad that by mentioning what others may have only erroneously suspected you have had the chance to put the record totally straight.

Since AFAIK, pwidgets causes some slowdowns for the much improved usability it gives, I would expect it to work in icewm and not in jwm, as JWM is designed for slower machines than icewm.

IceWM does look so much better than the JWM though! A lot of the people (who arnt familiar with puppy) I have show the new RC to have said the same thing.

It would perhaps be logical, as a compromise and "best of both worlds" solution to the "bling or no bling" issue to do a quick check of available memory on the computerat bootup Make fresh installs (i.e. no pup_save.2fs) on computers with more than 128mb of RAM default to IceWM (with pwidgets) as their window manager (for "bling"). Less then that and puppy 4.2 loads JWM with no Pwidgets (for speed).

That way, new puppy users with newer computers can be impressed by the looks (bling?) of Puppy, while new puppy users with older computers will be impressed its speed (and the fact it boots at all). Either way I know they are going to be impressed.

Well done Ttuxxx - and Whodo, and the rest of the team.

P.S. the new volume icon makes all the difference

ecomoney wrote:Well in that case Ttuxxx, Im glad that by mentioning what others may have only erroneously suspected you have had the chance to put the record totally straight.

Since AFAIK, pwidgets causes some slowdowns for the much improved usability it gives, I would expect it to work in icewm and not in jwm, as JWM is designed for slower machines than icewm.

IceWM does look so much better than the JWM though! A lot of the people (who arnt familiar with puppy) I have show the new RC to have said the same thing.

It would perhaps be logical, as a compromise and "best of both worlds" solution to the "bling or no bling" issue to do a quick check of available memory on the computerat bootup Make fresh installs (i.e. no pup_save.2fs) on computers with more than 128mb of RAM default to IceWM (with pwidgets) as their window manager (for "bling"). Less then that and puppy 4.2 loads JWM with no Pwidgets (for speed).

That way, new puppy users with newer computers can be impressed by the looks (bling?) of Puppy, while new puppy users with older computers will be impressed its speed (and the fact it boots at all). Either way I know they are going to be impressed.

Well done Ttuxxx - and Whodo, and the rest of the team.

P.S. the new volume icon makes all the difference

Glad you liked the volume icon, I did that because you requested it and the extra quick launch applications also. Also Glad you like the icewm package better that was a truly a test patients. I'm glad its all finally coming together in one neat package.
ttuuxxx