Puppy Linux Discussion Forum Forum Index Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
Puppy HOME page : puppylinux.com
"THE" alternative forum : puppylinux.info
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

The time now is Thu 24 Jul 2014, 16:17
All times are UTC - 4
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Puppy Projects » Next Puppy Development » 4.x
Puppy 4.2 RC3 Deep Thought - Bugs & Fixes
Post_new_topic   Reply_to_topic View_previous_topic :: View_next_topic
Page 18 of 19 Posts_count   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 16, 17, 18, 19 Next
Author Message
DaveS


Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Posts: 3726
Location: UK

PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 16:43    Post_subject:  

DaveS wrote:
Package manager working fine in RC4, BUT, wifi only works after fiddling around with modules, then settings dont stick between boots and no matter what I do I cant print to my network printer. 4.2 seems more pretty than functional just now, but it is VERY pretty! Rendering in Seamonkey is good too, with fonts looking sharp. Kinda frustrated just now, I just wish I had more skills.


OK, I figured out printing to some extent. I am using a HP Photosmart C4380 wifi printer. There is no driver shipped with Puppy for this printer, so I downloaded the hpijs-2.8.2_static pet via the package manager which contains the driver, and which I have used with total success in 4.1.1. I was getting filter errors, so I deleted this .pet, and messed around with the drivers that ship as standard, and found one that works. Now printing is fine.
If I could now just figure the wifi issue, I would be there.

_________________
Spup Frugal HD and USB
Root forever!
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
ecomoney


Joined: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 2183
Location: Lincolnshire, England

PostPosted: Sun 22 Mar 2009, 00:49    Post_subject:  

Just to let you know, I encountered some problems with beta 1 and some internal wireless cards. I heard it reported previously. Im yet to identify one type of card, but the other one was a fairly common intel 2200 mini-pci chipset (something that is on the list of wireless drivers available in the network wizard). This driver wasnt loaded automatically at bootup, and attempting to load it from the internet connection wizard cause some kind of "really bad" sounding error message.....I apologise for not taking this down...I was at a collegues house at the time, and the equipment was not my own.

It may be good to double check the wireless support, as I have read earlier that some other people have problems....I remember there was a version of puppy went out as an "official version" with the wireless broken before Shocked Surprised Sad

Also...may I ask why pWidgets doesnt work in icewm?....I think I may already suspect the reason.

_________________
Puppy Linux's Mission

Sorry, my server is down atm!
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website MSNM 
ttuuxxx


Joined: 05 May 2007
Posts: 10747
Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Sun 22 Mar 2009, 00:58    Post_subject:  

ecomoney wrote:


Also...may I ask why pWidgets doesnt work in icewm?....I think I may already suspect the reason.


You are so wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off with that statement, come one, I can complain on here until I'm blue in the face, but noway would I ever interfere backhandedly to sabotage Pwidgets in icewm, if that was to be removed that would be done by the forces that be, Mr WhoDo himself, noway am I even going to come close to wearing that statement.
ttuuxxx

_________________
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games Smile

Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website 
ecomoney


Joined: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 2183
Location: Lincolnshire, England

PostPosted: Sun 22 Mar 2009, 13:23    Post_subject:  

Well in that case Ttuxxx, Im glad that by mentioning what others may have only erroneously suspected you have had the chance to put the record totally straight.

Since AFAIK, pwidgets causes some slowdowns for the much improved usability it gives, I would expect it to work in icewm and not in jwm, as JWM is designed for slower machines than icewm.

IceWM does look so much better than the JWM though! A lot of the people (who arnt familiar with puppy) I have show the new RC to have said the same thing.

It would perhaps be logical, as a compromise and "best of both worlds" solution to the "bling or no bling" issue to do a quick check of available memory on the computerat bootup Make fresh installs (i.e. no pup_save.2fs) on computers with more than 128mb of RAM default to IceWM (with pwidgets) as their window manager (for "bling"). Less then that and puppy 4.2 loads JWM with no Pwidgets (for speed).

That way, new puppy users with newer computers can be impressed by the looks (bling?) of Puppy, while new puppy users with older computers will be impressed its speed (and the fact it boots at all). Either way I know they are going to be impressed.

Well done Ttuxxx - and Whodo, and the rest of the team.

P.S. the new volume icon makes all the difference Wink

_________________
Puppy Linux's Mission

Sorry, my server is down atm!
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website MSNM 
ttuuxxx


Joined: 05 May 2007
Posts: 10747
Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Sun 22 Mar 2009, 17:24    Post_subject:  

ecomoney wrote:
Well in that case Ttuxxx, Im glad that by mentioning what others may have only erroneously suspected you have had the chance to put the record totally straight.

Since AFAIK, pwidgets causes some slowdowns for the much improved usability it gives, I would expect it to work in icewm and not in jwm, as JWM is designed for slower machines than icewm.

IceWM does look so much better than the JWM though! A lot of the people (who arnt familiar with puppy) I have show the new RC to have said the same thing.

It would perhaps be logical, as a compromise and "best of both worlds" solution to the "bling or no bling" issue to do a quick check of available memory on the computerat bootup Make fresh installs (i.e. no pup_save.2fs) on computers with more than 128mb of RAM default to IceWM (with pwidgets) as their window manager (for "bling"). Less then that and puppy 4.2 loads JWM with no Pwidgets (for speed).

That way, new puppy users with newer computers can be impressed by the looks (bling?) of Puppy, while new puppy users with older computers will be impressed its speed (and the fact it boots at all). Either way I know they are going to be impressed.

Well done Ttuxxx - and Whodo, and the rest of the team.

P.S. the new volume icon makes all the difference Wink


Glad you liked the volume icon, I did that because you requested it and the extra quick launch applications also. Smile Also Glad you like the icewm package better that was a truly a test patients. I'm glad its all finally coming together in one neat package.
ttuuxxx

_________________
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games Smile

Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website 
Aitch


Joined: 04 Apr 2007
Posts: 6825
Location: Chatham, Kent, UK

PostPosted: Sun 22 Mar 2009, 19:26    Post_subject:  

Quote:
It would perhaps be logical, as a compromise and "best of both worlds" solution to the "bling or no bling" issue to do a quick check of available memory on the computerat bootup Make fresh installs (i.e. no pup_save.2fs) on computers with more than 128mb of RAM default to IceWM (with pwidgets) as their window manager (for "bling"). Less then that and puppy 4.2 loads JWM with no Pwidgets (for speed).

That way, new puppy users with newer computers can be impressed by the looks (bling?) of Puppy, while new puppy users with older computers will be impressed its speed (and the fact it boots at all). Either way I know they are going to be impressed.


Nice idea, Rob, shame it can't be implemented, as 'over 128Mb ram', & 'under 128Mb ram' options as default

Or can it, devs....WhoDo?

Aitch Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
trio


Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Posts: 1788
Location: अनुमोदना

PostPosted: Sun 22 Mar 2009, 22:04    Post_subject:  

@ecomoney

pwidgets doesn't work in icewm? I never had that problem...please be specific what doesn't work..

thanks

_________________
PET Maker|WbarCC|My Website
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
ecomoney


Joined: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 2183
Location: Lincolnshire, England

PostPosted: Mon 23 Mar 2009, 01:32    Post_subject:  

Its quite simple, moving the mouse to the sides of the screen doesnt bring out the "pop-out" boxes. I have tried it on two different machines, both completely fresh frugal installs. Sorry for "Does not work" term Wink
_________________
Puppy Linux's Mission

Sorry, my server is down atm!
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website MSNM 
WhoDo


Joined: 11 Jul 2006
Posts: 4441
Location: Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

PostPosted: Mon 23 Mar 2009, 04:02    Post_subject:  

ecomoney wrote:
Its quite simple, moving the mouse to the sides of the screen doesnt bring out the "pop-out" boxes. I have tried it on two different machines, both completely fresh frugal installs. Sorry for "Does not work" term Wink

Those "pop-out" boxes are actually JWM trays. That's why you don't get them in Icewm. The Pwidgets manager is available from menu > Desktop which isn't as convenient, I know, but if you decide to implement Wbar in Icewm you could have the best of both worlds.

Hope that helps.

_________________
Actions speak louder than words ... and they usually work when words don't!
SIP:whodo@proxy01.sipphone.com; whodo@realsip.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
sata80


Joined: 14 Mar 2009
Posts: 23
Location: Suomi

PostPosted: Mon 23 Mar 2009, 04:37    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
sata80 wrote:
I have used Puppy 4.20 from alpha stage, no major problems.
Just downloaded RC4.
I didn't find RC4 treath, if this is in wrong place please move or remove.

In welcome message it says "A readout in taskbar shows how much working space left in RAM.", i don't get that reading in there. See picture. Haven't tested that in earlier versions.

When i do following: boot pfix=ram, stop widgets, close side trays.
Blinky appears top left of screen. See picture. Not happened earlier.

When i started pwidgets again, it appears in lower left corner. See picture. Not happened in earlier releases.

EDIT:
There is empty buttons in top bar. See picture.


Can you try this version of blinky and freememory and report back if it fixes your issues, just install the package and 'Refresh' your menu. Smile
ttuuxxx
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=16178


Blinky does that only when pfix=ram and frugal. I don't know how to test it because it doesn't happen next boot with pup_save.2fs. Pwidgets jumpd wrong place also on first boot from CD with pfix=ram. I didn't find RC4 treat because it wasn't in next Puppy developement sub forum.
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
ecomoney


Joined: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 2183
Location: Lincolnshire, England

PostPosted: Mon 23 Mar 2009, 05:08    Post_subject:  

Quote:
Those "pop-out" boxes are actually JWM trays. That's why you don't get them in Icewm. The Pwidgets manager is available from menu > Desktop which isn't as convenient, I know, but if you decide to implement Wbar in Icewm you could have the best of both worlds.


Ahh..that would be why then! Thanks for the explaination.

Could wbar in icewm be implemented by default? It sure is handy. Apparently it can be made quite "mac-like"? for that extra "bling", though I understand jwm is for older machines so that wouldnt be appropriate there.

Any decisions/code snippets re the memory check/default WM?

_________________
Puppy Linux's Mission

Sorry, my server is down atm!
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website MSNM 
WhoDo


Joined: 11 Jul 2006
Posts: 4441
Location: Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

PostPosted: Mon 23 Mar 2009, 07:35    Post_subject:  

sata80 wrote:
I didn't find RC4 treat because it wasn't in next Puppy developement sub forum.

The RC4 thread is here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40158

_________________
Actions speak louder than words ... and they usually work when words don't!
SIP:whodo@proxy01.sipphone.com; whodo@realsip.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
ttuuxxx


Joined: 05 May 2007
Posts: 10747
Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Mon 23 Mar 2009, 07:39    Post_subject:  

ecomoney wrote:
Quote:
Those "pop-out" boxes are actually JWM trays. That's why you don't get them in Icewm. The Pwidgets manager is available from menu > Desktop which isn't as convenient, I know, but if you decide to implement Wbar in Icewm you could have the best of both worlds.


Ahh..that would be why then! Thanks for the explaination.

Could wbar in icewm be implemented by default? It sure is handy. Apparently it can be made quite "mac-like"? for that extra "bling", though I understand jwm is for older machines so that wouldnt be appropriate there.

Any decisions/code snippets re the memory check/default WM?

You can install Wbar into anything, works fine in Icewm, but I'm kind of on a negative bling trip, So I wouldn't want that in the default puppy, but after 4.2 is out I could make you a wbar addon package for Icewm.
ttuuxxx

_________________
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games Smile

Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website 
WhoDo


Joined: 11 Jul 2006
Posts: 4441
Location: Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

PostPosted: Mon 23 Mar 2009, 07:41    Post_subject:  

ecomoney wrote:
Could wbar in icewm be implemented by default?

No. Not enough room as it is. I debated this in my own mind early on and came to the conclusion that it served no additional purpose. In Icewm you already have a Quick Launch menu that is opened by clicking on the up arrow on the task bar. That's the next best thing IMHO. Also it is more Window$-like to use the Icewm toolbar file to put the most commonly used programs on the taskbar itself -Arrow see my how to on the wiki under EZpup Help for instructions.

ecomoney wrote:
Any decisions/code snippets re the memory check/default WM?

I only vaguely remember you mentioning something like this as an idea but I have had so much stuff go through my head with 4.2 that I no longer have any idea what you are talking about. Sorry. Embarassed

_________________
Actions speak louder than words ... and they usually work when words don't!
SIP:whodo@proxy01.sipphone.com; whodo@realsip.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
ecomoney


Joined: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 2183
Location: Lincolnshire, England

PostPosted: Mon 23 Mar 2009, 19:15    Post_subject:  

Quote:
It would perhaps be logical, as a compromise and "best of both worlds" solution to the "bling or no bling" issue to do a quick check of available memory on the computerat bootup Make fresh installs (i.e. no pup_save.2fs) on computers with more than 128mb of RAM default to IceWM (with pwidgets) as their window manager (for "bling"). Less then that and puppy 4.2 loads JWM with no Pwidgets (for speed).

That way, new puppy users with newer computers can be impressed by the looks (bling?) of Puppy, while new puppy users with older computers will be impressed its speed (and the fact it boots at all). Either way I know they are going to be impressed.


No matter whodo, its from about a page up

_________________
Puppy Linux's Mission

Sorry, my server is down atm!
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website MSNM 
Display_posts:   Sort by:   
Page 18 of 19 Posts_count   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 16, 17, 18, 19 Next
Post_new_topic   Reply_to_topic View_previous_topic :: View_next_topic
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Puppy Projects » Next Puppy Development » 4.x
Jump to:  

Rules_post_cannot
Rules_reply_cannot
Rules_edit_cannot
Rules_delete_cannot
Rules_vote_cannot
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
[ Time: 0.1065s ][ Queries: 12 (0.0070s) ][ GZIP on ]