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Puppy 4.2 RC4 Deep Thought - Bugs & Fixes
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 08:47    Post_subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
Think I need a drink.
Because i never noticed the shade in RC3.

You've had enough already, I'd say. Responsible Service and all that... Wink

cthisbear wrote:
There is shade on 4th right quarter...sorry about the image size. Couldn't quite see how to resize it.

Shade, huh? Confused Try this ... squeeze your eyes shut very, very tightly for at least 30 seconds - you can use the hands on your Braille watch to time yourself - then open your eyes and you should "see" the "shade" in all 4 corners! Razz

Seriously, chris, I have NO IDEA what you're talking about and the screen shot is of RC3 so by your own admission it is "normal"? Looks "normal" to me too, so I guess we fooled that darn "shade" thingy, eh mate! Cool

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 08:47    Post_subject:  

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I'm leaving
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Leaving before you create a stripped down version of Puppy 4.2 for everyone?
Razz

A barebones Puppy will happen but I know full well what sort of person will be doing it . . .

Guys
4.2 is a base
It can be made bigger and it can be made smaller.
It can be deblinged and uberblinged
Puplets will come out . . .
Woof may be based on it (expect Alpha 3 - 23/24 March 2009)

Thanks to all those 'disgraceful' helpers, developers and encourager's, testers etc

Puppy Deep Thought is nearing release
I am staying!

Positively Puppy

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 08:51    Post_subject:  

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Crab is a nice touch though... Cool

... especially from a Cancerian! Razz The sand, the sea ... it either had to be the crab or a lobster and I wouldn't want to pinch Ed's avatar! Wink

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 08:53    Post_subject:  

Lobster wrote:
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I'm leaving
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Thanks to all those 'disgraceful' helpers, developers and encourager's, testers etc
Positively Puppy


Wua hahhahhahhaa...... Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 08:54    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
William (Dthdealer) wrote:
This candidate is a disgrace

Why is the release candidate discarding the Puppy heritage of lean and mean to copy the world's worst operating system? Vista cursors, widgets and horrible GTK and JWM themes on top of the rancid new icon scheme make me want to drop puppy permanently. Programs have been stripped to make space for a glossy but gouged and bleeding UI and the old icon scheme has been scrapped for more 'modern' shiny themes.

Yaf-splashes now have super-clashing colour-schemes (green on yellow?) and the old dialog system has been replaced with text-boxes that look like you can edit them. Worst of all, Puppy is gaining more flab than you can poke truck at.

Is this moving forward or is this moving backward??? Puppy needs dogfood, not Vista bites

If this candidate represents the later releases of puppy, I'm leaving. Crying or Very sad


Don't worry, I'm against having pwidgets installed by default, I find the default gtk2 theme way too dark. I have no use for Ptray and PMusic. Once the final is released, I'll release a unofficial version, with most of the bling, and useless programs removed. Anything else you don't like?
ttuuxxx

Ok, I've taken the bait and I'm gonna shake it vigorously 'til I break the line.
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disgrace

That is a fairly strong term. Do you care to elaborate? I ask this because none of what you have said points to Puppy-4,2DeepThought being a "disgrace". (Your word)

The rest of your rant is based entirely on your opinion. Nothing wrong with that... except you could have expressed it in Alpha 1! When was that? Well it wasn't yesterday and it wasn't last week or the week before.

Please, if you are going to criticize, be aware, Smile

Cheers

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 09:03    Post_subject:  

William (Dthdealer) wrote:
Programs have been stripped to make space for a glossy but gouged and bleeding UI and the old icon scheme has been scrapped for more 'modern' shiny themes.

Hmmmm ... seems like you spent a whole 20secs in making your mind up - given the mind in question though 20secs was probably a tad too long, eh? Wink

William (Dthdealer) wrote:
Worst of all, Puppy is gaining more flab than you can poke truck at.

99.3Mb doesn't seem like "flab" to me, but hey "flab" is in the eye of the beholder. I happen to think this release has all the graceful curves of an extremely attractive and voluptuous yet slender woman! Razz

William (Dthdealer) wrote:
If this candidate represents the later releases of puppy, I'm leaving. Crying or Very sad

Mr. Green Bye, cupcake. Don't let the door bang you in the tush on your way out! Laughing

Geez, I hate empty threats ... they're so ... so ... empty! Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 09:06    Post_subject:  

01micko wrote:

That is a fairly strong term. Do you care to elaborate? I ask this because none of what you have said points to Puppy-4,2DeepThought being a "disgrace". (Your word)

The rest of your rant is based entirely on your opinion. Nothing wrong with that... except you could have expressed it in Alpha 1! When was that? Well it wasn't yesterday and it wasn't last week or the week before.

Please, if you are going to criticize, be aware, Smile

Cheers

Mick


Down boy..down..it's not worth your energy...let the wind blows..whooosaaaa......

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 09:09    Post_subject:  

whodo

Are we sticking to the title "bugs & fixes" or here we go to hell again? Proclaim your rights Dictator!

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 09:11    Post_subject:  

trio wrote:
01micko wrote:

That is a fairly strong term. Do you care to elaborate? I ask this because none of what you have said points to Puppy-4,2DeepThought being a "disgrace". (Your word)

The rest of your rant is based entirely on your opinion. Nothing wrong with that... except you could have expressed it in Alpha 1! When was that? Well it wasn't yesterday and it wasn't last week or the week before.

Please, if you are going to criticize, be aware, Smile

Cheers

Mick



Down boy..down..it's not worth your energy...let the wind blows..whooosaaaa......


ROTFLMAO @ U Bro!!!( there is more to it but I must PM it!)

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 09:13    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
You removed your nice icons from the last version and reverted back to the dreaded 'FlatOrange' Why, really it was only the default folder which was too flashy. Other than that, it was real nice.

Why? Lack of ego, I guess. Wink Someone said they looked like Toys 'R Us and since I loathe the box culture's propensity to turn perfectly good words into their phonetic letter equivalent (are = R?) I just HAD to take them out. They'll be back either in an EZpup addition or simply as a theme to be added later, along with 1 or 2 others (look for l'Bleu as well as l'Orange). Idea

We have 3 icon themes to choose from in RC4. That should cover the gamut of tastes for the moment. Cool

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 09:21    Post_subject:  

trio wrote:
Are we sticking to the title "bugs & fixes" or here we go to hell again? Proclaim your rights Dictator!

Here We Go To Hell Again! Laughing Laughing Laughing Thanks for the laugh, trio. I don't know how I'd get through the day without one of you guys tickling my ribs every now and then ... Razz

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 09:23    Post_subject:  

Yes 99.3MB isn't much at all compared to other Linux distros 700MB++++++, But we have to also focus on people who have older pc's and puppy 4.12 just works and is on a borderline of not working, for those people they do not have a chance of getting 4.2 to boot up and work out of the box, we are talking, developing countries, retro pc users etc. Like I said before, I like Pwidgets a lot, but not enough to turn away past users at the expense of system resources. Things that run by default should be system related, not bling related for distros like puppy. Not where people try so hard to get it working and have to be forced to use earlier models, I've seen it in the past and I know I will see lots once this final release is posted.
So Whodo once your done this release I hope you might stick around and answer to all the outcry, It won't be from myself. But I'm damn sure that 75% will not like the added resources taken away from them. But on the other hand, I'll be quickly working in the background preparing some sort of normal puppy alternative. I'll go that far to help out.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 09:26    Post_subject:  

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Why? Lack of ego, I guess. Wink Someone said they looked like Toys 'R Us and since I loathe the box culture's propensity to turn perfectly good words into their phonetic letter equivalent (are = R?) I just HAD to take them out. They'll be back either in an EZpup addition or simply as a theme to be added later, along with 1 or 2 others (look for l'Bleu as well as l'Orange). Idea

We have 3 icon themes to choose from in RC4. That should cover the gamut of tastes for the moment. Cool


That sounds to me like some unnamed developer strong armed you once again about walking from puppy and you caved, How sad, how very sad.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 09:38    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx

Now, this may be off topic marginally, but you followed the thread and helped me out...

You know the thread about my 486...

Xonclock and xli run on that thing... and run well. I'm tempted to install the latest Pwidgets with an extremely hacked conky by Patriot..... heaps smaller... on it to see if it will go. Yeah gotta update JWM and wallpaper setter but I think I can do it... with 32MiB ram... you know Wink

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 09:41    Post_subject:  

To come back to what this is about:

Found no bugs so far BUT it seems that ldconfig is missing again.

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