Puppy 4.2 RC4 Deep Thought - Bugs & Fixes

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#46 Post by WhoDo »

ttuuxxx wrote:That sounds to me like some unnamed developer strong armed you once again about walking from puppy and you caved, How sad, how very sad.
Geez, Jeff, you're on a roll now! Wrong twice in one night in the same thread? Wanna try for 3rd time lucky??? :roll:

I've told you before but it seems you didn't believe me; no-one can force me to do what I don't want to do. I'm too old to take that crap! I happen to LIKE the flat orange menu icons. I think the desktop icons from the same pack are a bit wishy-washy, but they're a complete package and that's only my opinion. I don't have the time or the inclination to split them apart to make a third package that maybe only I will like.

Now, can we PLEASE get back to dealing with Bugs & Fixes? Or can I assume from the lack of such issues being posted that I'll be able to upload Final tomorrow afternoon?
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aragon wrote:To come back to what this is about:

Found no bugs so far BUT it seems that ldconfig is missing again.
Missing from where, aragon? It clearly isn't there, but where do I go looking for it?
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#48 Post by 01micko »

Tested all three icon themes available, DeepThought, Stardust, JQ8.. all seem nicely interchangeable.
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#49 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hey mick

Its not pwidgets your running, and plus your clock doesn't have any transparencies around it, your memory isn't registered in the image, your not running anything, plus your using a fatfree version of puppy around 60MB not 99.3MB Some people actually go by the min requirements of puppy which I posted earlier like 64MB ram drive,stated at Distrowatch, which is impossible for this release, You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot :wink: No offense :)
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ttuuxxx wrote:You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot :wink: No offense :)
Pwidgets-2.0.5 in Puppy-4.2rc4 is only 219kb compressed - including conky, xonclock and all the other dependencies to make it work. It runs like greased lightning and seems to me to consume precious few resources. I even remember that the sub-50Mb DSL used to come with Conky pre-configured by default on the desktop and that ran just fine on the oldest of hardware. :?

So tell me, ttuuxxx, what is your REAL objection to the Pwidgets bling? Of course I'd prefer that you don't tell me in THIS thread, which is supposed to be for Bugs & Fixes in RC4. Maybe you could explain in the thread you started on Bling or No Bling? Either way, please DON'T HIJACK MY THREAD YET AGAIN for an anti-Pwidgets war!!!! :evil:
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#51 Post by ttuuxxx »

WhoDo wrote: I happen to LIKE the flat orange menu icons. I think the desktop icons from the same pack are a bit wishy-washy, but they're a complete package and that's only my opinion. I don't have the time or the inclination to split them apart to make a third package that maybe only I will like.
Sounds to me like a cover-up WhoDo, Listen we've all seen your taste with your EzPup releases and plus your IceWm Theme exchange, not once or ever have you ever expressed a liking for 'FLAT' anything, You can try to pass this off like 'You Like It" but at the end of the day "Flat Orange" is ugly, flat, doesn't match the multicoloured desktop icons that are some what the 'crystal variety'.
Basically 'Flat Orange' was designed by a head strong developer, Who has done great in the past with his excellent puppy applications and for that he creates a elderly theme, and because of his accomplishments we must take it on as our own, I think not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well can't wait until the final, or straw that may be.
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ttuuxxx wrote:Sounds to me like a cover-up WhoDo, Listen we've all seen your taste with your EzPup releases and plus your IceWm Theme exchange, not once or ever have you ever expressed a liking for 'FLAT' anything,
Really? Then you've already forgotten my reply to Zigbert in the RC3 thread? Some people have short fuses and even shorter memory! That makes you wrong three times in one night in the same thread, and I'm not laughing! :x
ttuuxxx wrote:You can try to pass this off like 'You Like It" but at the end of the day "Flat Orange" is ugly, flat, doesn't match the multicoloured desktop icons that are some what the 'crystal variety'.
Basically 'Flat Orange' was designed by a head strong developer, Who has done great in the past with his excellent puppy applications and for that he creates a elderly theme, and because of his accomplishments we must take it on as our own, I think not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well can't wait until the final, or straw that may be.
Why wait? I think this response is the final ... straw that is! You have just accused me of lying ... not in so many words but pretty darn close - "pass this off" indeed? "cover up" you say? Well thank you for your "contribution" to Puppy, ttuuxxx. It seems to me that there is only one "head strong developer" in the mix here, and it isn't the one you mean! :twisted:

Final will go up tomorrow night. Then I will post a version of Final with the Retro kernel. After that, who knows? I'm really, really tired of this crap! No wonder Barry wanted to back away. The fact he handled it for so long makes the man a Titan in my view!
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ttuuxxx wrote:Hey mick

Its not pwidgets your running, and plus your clock doesn't have any transparencies around it, your memory isn't registered in the image, your not running anything, plus your using a fatfree version of puppy around 60MB not 99.3MB Some people actually go by the min requirements of puppy which I posted earlier like 64MB ram drive,stated at Distrowatch, which is impossible for this release, You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot :wink: No offense :)
ttuuxxx.
Yes I know, but the point is that Pwidgets is getting smaller and more efficient, and they are components of Pwidgets.

I know you have a little bee in your bonnet about Pwidgets being included by default BUT Icewm (and I really didn't want to draw that card) is too,

Pwidgets can be turned off easily.

Pwidgets should not inhibit Puppy4.2DeepThought running on a P1 with 64MiB ram (so long as there is swap, and recommendations are for Puppy to run in 128MiB ram)

Now this might make you angry but before you get angry think of the bigger picture.

Now, the bigger picture is WhoDo's point of view. If he says it's in, it's in. If he says it's out, it's out.

Sex sells. Pwidgets is sexy, just like Icewm is sexy. If we can attract more users because we have Pwidgets and Icewm in there then so be it.

Just try to see the sell side of things, BUT do not see it as a sell out! Please!

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#54 Post by ttuuxxx »

WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot :wink: No offense :)
Pwidgets-2.0.5 in Puppy-4.2rc4 is only 219kb compressed - including conky, xonclock
Last week when I added up all 4 packages it was 503kb compressed pet,(conky included) when I posted it on the other thread next to my name. And thats following the conky links and libs links from the site.
Either this week they manage to reduce it by 60% or one of our maths is off.
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#55 Post by ttuuxxx »

01micko wrote:If we can attract more users because we have Pwidgets and Icewm in there then so be it.

Just try to see the sell side of things, BUT do not see it as a sell out! Please!

Cheers
All I have to say about that mick, is nooooooooooooooooo, LOL Hey since we climbed to #9 on Distrowatch, really our forum has gone to hell, now on top of that you want to convert more people to puppy, I was thinking myself about leaving it due to the forum issues. I personally devote too much time to wait hours to post a link to new software, its just way too frustrating for a person with adsl2+, to pay extra to have a super speed internet, not to spend hours trying to respond. To me its more like keeping the people we have now, who were happy puppy 4 series to continue loving it, The last poll results at Bling or no Bling is still 75% against with 62 votes, Puppy users want simplicity for there older pc's. And the icewm card doesn't work, did your read the thread on JWM vs IceWm, its really nothing between them.
The Icewm in puppy right now is the slimmest version I've ever seen.
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#56 Post by WhoDo »

ttuuxxx wrote:
WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot :wink: No offense :)
Pwidgets-2.0.5 in Puppy-4.2rc4 is only 219kb compressed - including conky, xonclock
Last week when I added up all 4 packages it was 503kb compressed pet,(conky included) when I posted it on the other thread next to my name. And thats following the conky links and libs links from the site.
Either this week they manage to reduce it by 60% or one of our maths is off.
I'm not in the habit of lying and there is no mathematics involved. Right click on the compressed .pet file and ROX says how big it is. That's right, there is only ONE pet file now; not four.

I used to have a dog once that just didn't understand anything unless you smacked him in the chops first. Pity because he was a beautiful dog. Don't make me slap YOU in the chops, ttuuxxx. I've already said ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!! :evil:
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#57 Post by ttuuxxx »

WhoDo wrote: he was a beautiful dog. Don't make me slap YOU in the chops, ttuuxxx. I've already said ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!! :evil:
Shit you made me laugh big time at that one, LOL, Naaa I don't think if we ever meet up, you'll smack me, probably have a few brews and shot the shit a bit :)
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seamonkey update

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a seamonkey update just now to 1.1.15

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#59 Post by ttuuxxx »

playdayz wrote:a seamonkey update just now to 1.1.15
That will be added to the no-bling version :)
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#60 Post by trio »

whodo I just add a freememapplet swallow in /root/.jwmrctray

<JWM>

<Tray autohide="false" insert="right" x="0" y="-1" border="1" height="28" >
<!-- Additional TrayButton attribute: label -->
<TrayButton icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/start-button.png">root:3</TrayButton>
<TrayButton popup="Show Desktop" icon="mini-desktop.xpm">showdesktop</TrayButton>
<!-- Additional Pager attributes; width, height -->
<Pager/>
<!-- Additional TaskList attribute: maxwidth -->
<TaskList/>
<Dock/>
<!-- Additional Swallow attribute: height -->
<Swallow name="blinky">
blinkydelayed -bg "#F7CEB5"
</Swallow>
<Swallow name="freememapplet">
freememapplet

</Swallow>
<Swallow name="asapm">
asapmshell -u 4 -status PaleGreen3 -green PaleGreen3
</Swallow>

<Clock format="%H:%M ">minixcal</Clock>
</Tray>
</JWM>

and it works just fine..don't use freememappletdelayed, it won't show!

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#61 Post by Pizzasgood »

I think we need to do as this theremin player recommends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6bSRcRAhnc


I'm going to go download RC4 and take it for a spin (figuratively speaking, because I plan to do a manual frugal install, rather than burn a disk).
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#62 Post by zigbert »

Warren
Puppy 4.2 rc4

1. Menu icon 'refresh' is not following the rest of the theme. I have attached a new icon

2. Menu item 'Gxine' is not aligned as the others. I have attached an alternative .desktop file

3. I sent you updated script to use gtk windows instead of x-lib.
Floppy-format.sh
xsaneshell
Pdisk
If that's not interesting, it's ok, else this is a reminder.

4. So to the first-boot clock issue. The fix is simple (of course) and in my opinion genial. What makes trouble is fixpuppypin script in .xinitrc. If this is skipped, clock shows up. I have not looked inside fixpuppypin because I think the best solution is to skip it. - Warren, if you move trash/lock icon to the left of the screen you solve 2 bugs. Both clock and unaligned icons at right side. It's a win/win situation. Of course the best would be to remove most of the left sided icons, but as you said earlier. - Because icewm lacks the 'add icon' feature, you won't remove them. I'm sorry for it.

5. Have you considered a less complex wallpaper. These works in 16bits colourdepth and for normal/wide screens. - Simple gimp creations.

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#63 Post by ttuuxxx »

So Whodo
Your basically going to release a unofficial release with BB (Bloated bugs) I'm glad I'm not you
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#64 Post by trapster »

Sorry for this unrelated post but...

ttuuxxx, you really are an ass.
Go cry somewhere else because you can't have your way.
Puppy was here before you and it will be here after you.

WhoDo....hang in there. Puppy's looking great.
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#65 Post by gerry »

HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!!

Just booted RC4 from live cd, pfix=ram. Clicked the bar at the top of the
screen that says "Click here for welcome info.....". First item on here is about "Ram Space: A readout on the taskbar shows......" Erm, really?
Not on mine it doesn't.

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