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Flash 9 with Opera

#166 Post by sindi »

If Flash 10 uses less resources (despite being larger) what is the reason to use Flash 9 with Opera?
Pulp already comes with the libraries (in Firefox). Will your script work with Flash 7?

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Re: Flash 9 with Opera

#167 Post by technosaurus »

sindi wrote:If Flash 10 uses less resources (despite being larger) what is the reason to use Flash 9 with Opera?
b/c of the libraries you mentioned earlier ... it's smaller just more convenient - you could still just copy those libs into /usr/lib
Pulp already comes with the libraries (in Firefox). Will your script work with Flash 7?
Yes, but if something _actually_ requires flash8+ (fairly infrequent) it may (not always) cause the browser to shutdown (opera seems to do better though, b/c it wraps the plugins) ... most of the time you just don't get the newer components - also some people had problems with not getting sound even when flash7 was new - that required a helper lib in the plugin directory called libflashhelper (or something like that)
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flash 7 with opera

#168 Post by sindi »

Have you tried using flash 7 (with your script) for Youtube?
If it works, I will share it with Basiclinux, which has such
old libraries that nothing newer than 7 will work.

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#169 Post by technosaurus »

It did work with most videos until late last November when YouTube changed the player gui (which is separate from the actual content) for now it won't work without some kind of hack to bypass the player gui ... you might as well use You2pup (or 1 of 1000 other youtube downloaders) and mplayer for that. But it is still useful for playing 90% of the flash games out there (most of these are the exact same games that came out even before flash7, but the web page template contains stock javascript that insists that _all_ content requires flashX.x ... whatever the latest was at the time it was generated)

btw flash7 is the only version that will work with gtk1 browsers like the ones at lamerelle.org
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Introducing PULP

#170 Post by efiguy »

Hi "zenfunk",

- Have dwnld 002 and 003 to try in some old IBM laptops, and a desktop or 2 also. Wondered where the 0.1 ver is located, i'm having trouble following the info through the pages.
- Also would you be kind enough to list base kernel numbers used so as I may kind of understand what works and doesn't in converting this old hardware. From pg1 "My base distro is 4.1.2 barebones retro."

- Also might comment on liking to stay with 1.5 - 2.x security enhanced FireFox derivitives by "ttuuxxx" (rant: Lot of browser spill in 3.6)

- As an aside, reading about Flash 10, isn't that the version introducing EverCookies, from what i've gleaned reading about, is that most folks are staying with 9 and earlier until absolutely forced by a site to change.

Thank You for the work
Jay
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-gee, listened too much TV today!!

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#171 Post by `f00 »

hi efiguy - dunno about 02 or 01 but the kernel for 03 is 2.6.21.7 and the jwm is v2.0.1 - most apps and sfs <p431 vintage should be okay or doable with some 'little stuff' dependencies (best result and performance is with stuff that's less inclined to newer 'heavy' gtk). Like WishRush filemanager and Pa McClamrock's stuff seems better in the 2009 or tcl/tk versions rather than the recent gnocl'd stuff.

Actually it's a really good optimization (like rox is still here but it's been pared ;) decently if you need it for roxy fm stuff). I'd suggest shinobar's mod-fix of pmount since it solves the too-quick open/close of optical trays on unmounts if the desktops have'em.

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Introducing PULP

#172 Post by efiguy »

Hi,

- no laptops running - did general disc check - using 2003 desktop 933 AMD, booted - didn't find video, reboot xorg ok this time, used 1024x768, text and menu little small, - Very responsive and 300meg ram left. (the dual boot 431 has 53meg)
- I accidently clicked the small console icon and got into trouble, locking the gui, mouse still moved, had to reset out.

- I'll certainly experiment some more - Looked for "Growlers Hiawatha pet" doesnt seem to be available.
- For me, think this might be a great webserving start for using an older desktop or laptop hardware.

- Missed PProcess - Would like a process control
Sometimes find myself more involved with utilities, than office stuff,
sure could use a fat32 Undeleter, partition restorer, something that will open virtually any file extension for inspection of text, like old dos edit, or winvi .

Sorry got to rambling
Great job
I'll find a "Puphouse" for Pulp,
J

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Re: Introducing PULP

#173 Post by sc0ttman »

efiguy wrote: something that will open virtually any file extension for inspection of text, like old dos edit, or winviJ

Try the command 'strings'...

Example

Code: Select all

strings `which geany`
[b][url=https://bit.ly/2KjtxoD]Pkg[/url], [url=https://bit.ly/2U6dzxV]mdsh[/url], [url=https://bit.ly/2G49OE8]Woofy[/url], [url=http://goo.gl/bzBU1]Akita[/url], [url=http://goo.gl/SO5ug]VLC-GTK[/url], [url=https://tiny.cc/c2hnfz]Search[/url][/b]

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#174 Post by `f00 »

@efiguy
htop's prettier than pprocess (and faster, more intuitive, what's not to like?) .. oya, a console up is live - why I like the ones (like mrxvt and urxvt-8.1) that dim when they don't have focus, if it's lit up I tend to back away from pecking at the kybd.

Mmhm, change the font-size in any jwm theme (or fiddle with tray height if horizontal or width if vertical tray), Christian did go a mite compact on that but it's easy to change.

No idea if it'd benefit your case on 'un'deleting, but it helped me to recall some scuttlebutt about the ro's (layerage working system - I was trying to clean out and delete/rename/move/sym stuff around in a root subdir and kept coming up against 'dir not empty' .. [gotta be a forgotten whiteout since I couldn't 'see' it as-was in that dir on a multisession livecd) .. humped over to ro2, ro1 and found the wee beast. Smooth sailing after that.

ramble on ;)

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#175 Post by technosaurus »

there is a nice gtk1 alternative to top/htop/pprocess called gps ... It was difficult to track down the sources, but quite nice and iirc less resource intensive than using a shell, terminal emulator and top/htop.

I will be posting a modified mrxvt soon (with numbered tabs)

be careful modifying strings in a binary ... its easy to Bork the global offset table ... I use sed to mod them in place but I also use code that ensures that the replaced string is the same size
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Firefox 2 broke

#176 Post by sindi »

Firefox 2 (Firepup) was refusing to load (said it was already running) and one of the two files I was supposed to delete in /root/mozilla/firefox did not exist (a lock file) so I deleted the whole directory and it works again (probably lost some settings though).

I have Flash 10 in another mozilla directory (on the path in /etc/profile) and now Youtube crashes Firefox 2. Other flash sites may do the same.

Firefox 3 pet would not install because my personal storage was down to 0 MB. I expect it to cooperate with Flash 10. I could have unpacked the tar.gz but thought there might be missing libraries that way. I expect it to break Firefox 2 but this is a fast 2GHz computer with 512MB RAM.

Seamonkey 2.0.7 portable pet in pulp 01 required libgconf-2.so.4 (it would occasionally segfault without it) which is available as a pet GConf-dbus-2.16.0-i486.pet.

Opera 11.01 works okay (unpacked to /mnt/home after downloading from opera.com. Picasa is not happy with it. Is there a pet for it?

Pulp 1 works just great with the latest browsers. It is the only linux I have seriously considered switching to in 10 years of using Basiclinux (which does boot faster). Now to get rxvt into the top of the menu (someone explained how earlier). Thanks to all.

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Firefox 4

#177 Post by sindi »

I unpacked the bz2 in /mnt/home/ and ran it from there. Works with flash at youtube, but not with the flash introduction to Firefox 4 (looks like an abstract painting). Add-ons installed okay. No extra libraries required.

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#178 Post by nooby »

pUpnGo is some 11mb or something that is UltraLight.

How big is your pulp then? 6MB or what?
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#179 Post by sc0ttman »

nooby wrote:pUpnGo is some 11mb or something that is UltraLight.

How big is your pulp then? 6MB or what?
nooby, PULP is not a tiny ISO like pUpnGo, but it uses gtk1 and other low resource apps and has many apps (unlike pUpnGo), but they are all built/configured/setup to work on old/slow PCs... Something like Puplite, but much lighter!
[b][url=https://bit.ly/2KjtxoD]Pkg[/url], [url=https://bit.ly/2U6dzxV]mdsh[/url], [url=https://bit.ly/2G49OE8]Woofy[/url], [url=http://goo.gl/bzBU1]Akita[/url], [url=http://goo.gl/SO5ug]VLC-GTK[/url], [url=https://tiny.cc/c2hnfz]Search[/url][/b]

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Where is pulp 0.1

#180 Post by sindi »

I have been publicizing pulp to users of basiclinux (which is ten years old and cannot run new browsers) as ideal for older hardware, and someone asked where to download the latest version.
zenfunk, please add a link to it on the first page of this topic. I see only links to some rather old versions, while the link to the latest one is buried many pages later.

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Compaq Presario 1200

#181 Post by sindi »

Compaq Presario 1200 with 32MB onboard and 64MB added RAM, 475MHz AMD-K6-2 cpu.
800x600 res, cheap video/sound chip, via82cxxx which refuses to work with OSS sound (Basiclinux)
but works perfectly in pulp with mplayer. Most mplayer binaries won't work on AMD-K6-2
but this one must have been compiled for i586. I could play streaming audio from a few
online radio stations by pointing mplayer at the URL, but some need javascript and:

Firefox refuses to load - illegal instruction.
Opera 9.64 loads but the menu is missing. F11 does not help.
Seamonkey 1.1.19 worked. It also crashed a lot until I
made a swap file. (I need to find a 128MB PC2100 SODIMM).

Firefox 2 from DSL linux works on this computer in Basiclinux.
(But so does Opera).
I suggest that it or Seamonkey be in future versions.

Could not get mplayer to play mp3s or pls automatically at
several sites. Running from rxvt revealed that they now
require avisynth.dll (video codec) which pulp does not have.

The laptop has lovely JBL Pro speakers with volume buttons,
and a great keyboard. Screen is a bit streaky and low res.
Same case, keyboard, and sound as better quality presarios.

To use it as an internet radio, I assembled a collection of URLs to use
directly with mplayer and made scripts which I put into /root/my_app*/bin/.
mp3blaster also works but cannot do pls asx ram wma etc. (Which I
have not yet tested with mplayer either).

Win98 sound works on here but mplayer for Windows is not i586.
IE 5 and Netscape can't handle today's internet.

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Pulp won't work on Presario 1675

#182 Post by sindi »

After determining that even 160MB memory is not enough to keep
Seamonkey from crashing in Pulp on Presario 1200, I copied
the sfs, vmlinuz, and initrd.gz to ext2 hard drive on a
Presario 1675 with Win2k in first partition and set it up
to dual boot 2K and LILO, with Pulp as default. It kept
booting to my other linux, with lilo installed to hda2.
I installed lilo to fd0 and it started to boot to pulp
and stalled at "loading kernel modules".

This computer recently stopped recognizing its added
memory but has 64MB onboard. Today the pcmcia bridge
went bad and my other linux has no support for USB
wireless so I was going to switch to pulp. Don't know
if it objects to the hardware in general or just to
the broken parts. I will try DSL live CD instead.
Or use it as an mp3 player - volume buttons and nice
JBL Pro speakers. It even plays DVDs but with large
moving colored squares (few pixels) at 400MHz. I think
the AMD-K6-2 cpus are a lot slower than others with
that rated speed.

Will check if anyone else got puppy working on
these two Presarios.

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#183 Post by puppyiso »

http://rapidshare.com/files/351589378/PULP_0.1.iso.html

no file.

I have 2 web accounts.

Willing to host..

contact wanted.

John

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#184 Post by cthisbear »

puppyiso :

Best I can do.

Versions 2 & 3.

You have to rename >>> the doc file...

PULP 0.03 rename the .doc to .iso as usual.

http://flusslinie.wordpress.com/2009/05 ... 03-is-out/

md5sum: 6a630a82e966ea5f030e08528636adc4 pulp_0.03.iso

//////////

f you download the file below, rename the .doc to .iso burn it to a cd and off you go.

pulp_002

http://flusslinie.wordpress.com/2009/04 ... ht-puplet/

md5sum: 84eb7006a3aa3e26fe54f6ec89312e3e

///////

Regards....Chris.

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Flash 10 in Pulp Linux

#185 Post by sindi »

Download the browsers, unpack to their own directories in /mnt/home.
Firefox and Seamonkey require libdbus pet which I have a copy of
at http://keesan.freeshell.org/bl/libdbus-1.3.pet.
You can tar -zxvf the pet and copy the libraries to /usr/lib (cp -a lib*).

I made scripts in /usr/local/bin to start the browsers:

/usr/local/bin/opera
cd /mnt/home/opera*
./opera

seamonkey
cd /mnt/home/seamonkey*
./seamonkey

similarly for firefox

I edited /root/.jwmrc by adding lines at the beginning on the model of Firefox 2, using the above scripts. Alt-F1, down arrow, Enter.

Flash

Download the latest installer of flashplayer tar.gz to some place.
tar -zxvf install* libflashplayer.so (extracts just that one file)
mv libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins

Delete the package - the rest of it is irrelvant (for gnome etc).

All three browsers are set (in profile) to look here for plugins, but Opera was not recognizing flash because some libraries which it requires were not on the library path. They come with seamonkey and firefox, and the wrapper script lets them be found when the browser is loaded.
Opera's wrapper script does not look for libraries in other browsers.

I symlinked these libraries to /usr/lib/ which is on the path.

cd /usr/lib/
ln -s /mnt/home/seamonkey/* .
(or firefox would also work).

You could instead edit /etc/profile to change the library path and reboot.

Supposedly opera will also look in /opera*/lib/opera/plugins/ so put the libflashplayer.so there if you don't use firefox or seamonkey.
Firefox 2 which comes with pulp (FirePup) also has these libraries, which you can symlink as above to /usr/lib, but they are older (did not test).

Flash is now working for me on this DELL Latitude D600, but on my HP
N5415, if libflashplayer.so is in any plugin directory, seamonkey (2.1) and
firefox (5.0) crash when I access Youtube site. AMD K-7 cpu, 900MHz. I have not yet tried Opera with flash there (or Puppy 4.31 with seamonkey 1.1.18). xpdf also segfaults, and Netflix says the cpu is not supported.

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