Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series

[James C]

Still have some old P3's ready and waiting......

[starhawk]

Mine's not a P3

Dell Latitude CPi D300XT
Pentium II 300MHz CPU
Intel 440BX chipset
NeoMagic 2160B graphics with integrated VRAM
128mb RAM
20gb HDD (IIRC)
Crystal 4237B audio solution

A few notes.
(1) NeoMagic is independent of ATi/nVIDIA -- back in 1999 when this laptop was produced, there were several other options available and this was one of them.
(2) The RAM is 144 pin EDO, two slots. It's basically EDO PC133... nasty stuff, especially given how expensive it is now. It didn't last very long and nobody really makes it any more. Ugh. (Dell, did you really have to...?) Anyhow, maximum RAM in this heap is 256mb... expect to pay a minimum of us$50 for that in today's money, today. Yep, it's *that* bad!
(3) The original hard drive was a 6.5gb IBM TravelStar. My laptop was received in such condition that the hard drive needed to be removed with pliers -- and when I put power to it, it didn't click, it CLUNKED. Oh god.
(4) The audio on this thing is the worst part of the laptop by far -- not in terms of fidelity but in terms of driver compatibility. It piggybacks on a different driver (Crystal 4238 IIRC) and that driver's support for the 4237B is broken between the middle of the Puppy 4.x.x series (it's either 412 or 420 where it breaks, can't remember) straight up to 571 Retro, which is the first post-4.x.x Pup where it actually works AFAIK. Oh, yeah -- and that chip uses ISA rather than PCI. Ugh.

[greengeek]

(4) The audio on this thing is the worst part of the laptop by far -- not in terms of fidelity but in terms of driver compatibility. It piggybacks on a different driver (Crystal 4238 IIRC) and that driver's support for the 4237B is broken between the middle of the Puppy 4.x.x series (it's either 412 or 420 where it breaks, can't remember) straight up to 571 Retro, which is the first post-4.x.x Pup where it actually works AFAIK. Oh, yeah -- and that chip uses ISA rather than PCI. Ugh.

I know there is only one usb port available but I wonder if one of those usb miniature sound interfaces might be useable on the Dell?

[ally]

I used one of the those using a dell as a music server connected to my hifi

sound quality was quite impressive for such a small device

[yellodog]

Mine's not a P3

Dell Latitude CPi D300XT
Pentium II 300MHz CPU

I had a PII 233 Mhz in 1998. Although I use rather old computers in general, I got rid of that one maybe 5 years ago, though it still worked.
That kind of PC could even be too slow for a USB-soundcard, I think.

About a year ago, I bought a working notebook on ebay with a 2 Ghz-processor for just 50 bucks (EUR in fact, I'm in Europe). So it's really not worth it to bother with these kind of extremely old PCs, I think.
Oldest ones I'd go for would be built in about 2003 maybe, with about 1.8 Ghz-CPU. Puppy 2.14x and USB-soundcards run fine on such a machine.

[starhawk]

It's a project system -- I call it the Prove It Box.

"Yeah, you can make a 1999 piece of [beep] laptop useful today... sure, PROVE IT YA [BEEP]."

You get the point now of the project and the name, I think

...thing is it needs two of these before it's got a chance in you-know-where... while prices have come down rather nicely there (a year ago it was $50 a pop from Hong Kong!! Not kidding, sadly...) it's still above what I can reasonably justify for the system that it is...

[Eathray]

Hey guys,

I'm just wondering what would be a good mail server for puppy 214x. Background:

PupClassic here has been on my mind for a long time, and I really think it has amazing potential as a personal mail and website server. I've wanted to host my own for a long time, and I'm finally getting to the place where I feel comfortable doing something like that.

I want to get a simple mail server working on 214x. Partly for educational reasons so I can learn some stuff about servers and doing my own hosting.

I'm aware of xmail and a couple others. Looking for simple, stable, and compatible with 214x.

Thanks in advance.

[babaguy]

Hey Starhawk!

I *have* a chunk of PC-100-222-620 128MB memory... Only one, mind you - but if you PM me your address, I'll be happy to mail it out ASAP, okay...?

*PLUS* -

I've also got a chunk of PC100-222-620 32 (Count 'Em! 32!!!) MB memory if you or anyone could use it...

All The Best, as ever,

- Babaguy

UPDATE: NO CAN DO, because it doesn't have that old fashioned (Japanese?) EDO designation.... But if anyone else is needy... PM me!

[starhawk]

As mentioned in the PM... won't work for me...

...but...

THANK YOU!

Every little bit really does help, even if it doesn't work out -- hey, I got a smile out of this... I needed that today.

[ttuuxxx]

Okay, so here is a recent version of Opera for 214x Classic:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/k0xg4f

Maybe somebody wants to grab it quick and put it somewhere official because I don't know anything about this file sharing site or how long they'll leave it up.

It's a recent Opera and seems to work mostly good on my older laptop. 12.16 for Linux. This is only my second pet so... hope it works.

eathray

Ok Had a look at your pet package, you broke the pet package by renaming it after you made the pet. Always rename the folder first, delete the old ***.pet.specs file inside the folder and then make the pet package.
I redid the .Desktop file, I changed the icons, added a home button, added the bookmarks bar, added bookmarks, added duckduckgo and Ad Block Plus, and removed the locales, removed the kdelibs, removed the gstreamer plugins, added links to gxine plugin and flash plugin. here's the link http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/2.14X/S ... 60-386.pet its 13mb ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Here's the latest MtPaint
Oh yeah I change the default icons like I usually do
ttuuxxx

[RetroTechGuy]

Hey Starhawk!

I *have* a chunk of PC-100-222-620 128MB memory... Only one, mind you - but if you PM me your address, I'll be happy to mail it out ASAP, okay...?

*PLUS* -

I've also got a chunk of PC100-222-620 32 (Count 'Em! 32!!!) MB memory if you or anyone could use it...

All The Best, as ever,

- Babaguy

UPDATE: NO CAN DO, because it doesn't have that old fashioned (Japanese?) EDO designation.... But if anyone else is needy... PM me!

That reminds me, I still need to box up some 30 pin SIMMS for Starhawk (oh, and some ISA cards)...

Does he also need PC100? I could dig through my collection and see if I have anything left...

[starhawk]

No! No PC100.

I need 144-pin EDO memory, for laptops. (SODIMMs.) The right stuff will probably say that it's PC133, but it may not. Two of these are what I've asked my father for at Christmas. Those are PERFECT for my CPi... two would max it out, which is what I want to do.

[RetroTechGuy]

[quote="starhawk"]No! No PC100.

I need 144-pin EDO memory, for laptops. (SODIMMs.) The right stuff will probably say that it's PC133, but it may not. Two of [url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/151770974383]these[/url] are what I've asked my father for at Christmas. Those are PERFECT for my CPi... two would max it out, which is what I want to do.[/quote]

Let me see if I can get my crap into one location, here's what I pulled off the shelf next to me.

I believe that I only have 1 machine that uses anything of this class, and it already has 256MB (2x128) in it... And I don't use it for anything other than a "test bed" (and perhaps that very rare need for Windows 98).

So these are available (I can't tell you if they work, but probably...)

[starhawk]

Hate to be a pest -- but -- can you pull the numbers off one of the chips for the first and the last sticks in that quartet? I can't make sense of the labels... but if I know chips, I can find datasheets -- and I can read datasheets

[RetroTechGuy]

Hate to be a pest -- but -- can you pull the numbers off one of the chips for the first and the last sticks in that quartet? I can't make sense of the labels... but if I know chips, I can find datasheets -- and I can read datasheets

Hang on, I just found 4 more (2 in a bag labelled "good").

Left end is S16008LK9TW -75AG

Right end is: 48LC8M16A2 -75 B

I think that I also found a couple internal wireless cards.

[starhawk]

None of the first four are EDO... I'll hang on for your next post

[RetroTechGuy]

None of the first four are EDO... I'll hang on for your next post

Just added an image to the previous message.

My bet is that none of my collection is EDO...

[starhawk]

So I see

Chip #s from lefty and middle, please.

Also, those two MiniPCI cards are modems. Recycle or keep, but don't send 'em here, please.

[RetroTechGuy]

So I see

Chip #s from lefty and middle, please.

Also, those two MiniPCI cards are modems. Recycle or keep, but don't send 'em here, please.

(I thought that I had accumulated some internal wireless cards also -- don't see them at the moment -- but with a PCMCIA USB and a USB dongle, you can get wireless)

Left: GM72V661641CT10K

Middle (Crucial): 48LC8M16A2
Back side says: MT8LSDT1664HG-13EG3

BTW, did I mention 30-pin simms?