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olddog

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jun 2018, 19:34    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
olddog wrote:
Sadly, I have found printer installation to be more of a problem. I am still struggling to get my printer to print.


People can't help you if you won't identify the printer.


Indeed. But please note the words still struggling.

If and when I give up the struggle I shall humbly ask for help and list my equipment.
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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Tue 26 Jun 2018, 20:05    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
Burn_IT wrote:
Partly this is because many printer manufacturers don't provide the Linux drivers for their hardware as freely as they do the Windows divers.

The five major printer vendors all provide Linux drivers.

In many cases, the Linux setup will be simpler because you won't be forced into installing all the extra crap that comes with the Windows driver.


Spot on, Bill. Couldn't have put it better myself.

I've been running my old Epson SX218 for quite some years.....since before coming to Linux (and Puppy).

Under Windows, the process of installing the drivers took, on average, 37-38 minutes. I timed it, on more than one occasion.....and the drivers were only a very small percentage of what was being installed!

In Puppy, installing both printer and scanner drivers takes around 40 seconds, tops. Admittedly, then getting CUPS to recognise and make use of those drivers can be a slightly daunting experience for newcomers.....but the wealth of material on the matter, much of it provided by your good self, means that it's only ever a case of a few minutes trial & error for most folks who are even slightly computer-literate.

And there are plenty of us who are more than happy to offer advice born of much experience, and help out where necessary.


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nic007


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2018, 05:35    Post subject:  

Definitely no linux drivers for some canon products (I still need Windows to use my printer/scanner combo). Why so long to install windows drivers? My goodness it's all on the manufacturer's CD. It's just a matter of running the CD and auto installing everything. No cups shit.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2018, 06:16    Post subject:  

It doesn't take that long to install the drivers.
It might take a little longer to install the added optical software associated with the scanner though, but that can be avoided by doing a custom install - which you should ALWAYS do anyway, and selecting the components you want.

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2018, 07:25    Post subject:  

Burn_IT wrote:
It doesn't take that long to install the drivers.
It might take a little longer to install the added optical software associated with the scanner though, but that can be avoided by doing a custom install - which you should ALWAYS do anyway, and selecting the components you want.

Exactly, one can even copy the stuff you want to from CD to HDD (or download it). Installation from files on HDD will be quick. Even installing scanner software from CD is also relatively quick. I've done it a couple of times, 5 minutes max.
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RT2709

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PostPosted: Tue 09 Oct 2018, 10:07    Post subject:  

I am very very new to Linux as a whole, I've tried Ubuntu (I know it's not a puppy), slacko puppy, tahrpup and precise puppy, I like Slacko puppy the most out of all of them. The most difficulty that I find with puppy linux is: to install apps. Package Manager and Quickpet have only limited apps, when using terminal I suddenly find that apt-get does not work in puppies. That's what I find the most frustrating with puppies.
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Oct 2018, 10:17    Post subject:  

if you are new to Linux, you will also be new to apt-get
Puppy does not use it because any software that has been written or modified for Puppy will be available through the supplied utilities.
Puppy is NOT a standard Linux, though many standard linux programs will work with it, but may not work without differences.

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PostPosted: Tue 09 Oct 2018, 10:51    Post subject:  

Quote:
apt-get does not work in puppies


there is a substitute for apt-get called pkg that one can install and do command line package management similar to apt-get
here is the thread : http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112927
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mikeslr


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PostPosted: Tue 09 Oct 2018, 15:26    Post subject: Getting additional applications  

Hi RT2709,

Welcome to the Kennels, Glad that you like Slacko. What you'll find about Puppy is that it is a fan-based distro, really a family of distros, each sharing many ways of doing things in common, but each being somewhat unique. Both the commonality and the uniqueness results from it being fan-based. There is no corporate "big-daddy" or inner-circle to direct or limit anyone who wants to try to do anything.

Like any freedom what is sacrificed is certainty and what is required of even mere users, if they want to accomplish something beyond the basics included by a Puppy's creator, is a little knowledge.

Your question about obtaining additional software reveals that you've already discovered what this means in practice. Being fan-based, anyone who wants to extend the capabilities of any Puppy beyond those provided that Puppy's creator is free to do so by creating and publishing an application. Keep in mind that he or she may not have chosen the application you want. So when you are looking for some way to accomplish a task keep an open mind.

The Addition Software Section, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/index.php?f=63 is divided into categories, almost identical to those on the Start-Menu. The application you are familiar with may be there. If not, consider an alternative which is. Using applications fans have created for your Puppy is the easiest way to extend its capabilities.

But don't sell Menu>Setup>Puppy Package Manager short. Each recent Puppies, including the three you mentioned, is "binary-compatible" with the version of the distro whose binaries went into their creation. Its PPM provides direct access to the repositories of that version of the distro. [Ubuntu, however, may by now have closed the repos relating to Precise Pangolin whose binaries were used in Precise Puppy]. Tahrpup's PPM will access Ubuntu Trusty Tahr's repositories. Slackos are based on Slackware and PPM will access their repos. Note, however, that Slackware does not "name" its versions, only gives them numbers --13, 14, 14.1, 14.2. Usually the first post of a Slacko thread --but always some Announcement-- tells us on which version number of Slackware a Slacko is based. To facilitate communication, always be specific about which Slacko --in fact which Puppy-- you are using. [There are at least half a dozen Tahrpups, each slightly different].

Puppy Package Manager provides several download options from the Top-Right panel. Auto-install will download and install not merely the application you selected, but also any dependency of that application. IIRC --it's been a while since I've used it, see below-- Step by Step will download the application selected and ask regarding each dependency. Download Packages (No install) will download but not install the selected package and Download All will download the selected packages and their dependencies, but not install any. I ALWAYS Use the last choice for the following reason.

One of Puppies design objectives is to be “lean and mean” --to enable you to accomplish the most even if your computer's resources are limited. Applications are built to be run from specific operating systems and those systems often provide the foundations (dependencies/libraries) needed for an application to function, or at least the application's creator will expect to be present. PPM identifies dependencies as being those which the distro-version specified. But that may not be correct under Puppies, especially under Puppies based on Ubuntu versions. Ubuntu strives for “user friendliness” – building into their versions what, from Puppies' prospective, constitutes “unnecessary bloat”. The result is that PPM may FAIL to identify as dependencies those which aren't built into Puppies; or worse, yet, identify as dependencies some things which aren't under Puppies and may even interfere with how Puppies do things.

As I said, the easiest way to obtain additional software is to make use of the Additional Software Forum where some fan has done all the hard work of figuring out what actually was needed to run an application under a Puppy without interfering with other applications.

What I do when that isn't satisfying is spelled out here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=960945#960945.

But there is an easier method. FIRST BACK UP YOUR SAVEFILE/FOLDER* in case something goes wrong. Any change you make will only be stored in your SaveFile/Folder. If there is a problem –the application didn't work, or it worked but something else got broken-- you can boot “pfix=ram”** delete your current SaveFile/Folder and copy the backup SaveFile/Folder into its place. The copy of the SaveFile/Folder will not contain the problem.

With your Savefile/Folder backed-up, let PPM download and install the application and all its dependencies. If the application so installed doesn't work “out of the box” don't panic just yet. It may just need some additional files. Learn how to use ldd (List Dynamic Dependencies), http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=802028#802028 which is built into every Puppy.

Building your own applications can be frustrating, but also incredibly rewarding. The downsides of doing it the easy way are (a) you won't still have it if you upgrade your Puppy and (b) you can't share it.

* Hopefully, you did not do a Full Install. They can't be backedup. And they have other disadvantages.
** Ask if you need instructions on how to boot “pfix=ram”. Or use this customized google-search engine. https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=015995643981050743583%3Aabvzbibgzxo&q=#gsc.tab=0. Worth Bookmarking.
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