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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2012, 00:56    Post subject:  

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I read a post about how dangerous it is to run slacko as root, and I don´t get it.

That debate has been going on for years, even before Slacko.

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I am anxious to experiment with a disk install in an old desktop with 384 MB RAM just for the fun of it. It’s planned for the weekend.

Try Wary. It's specifically made for older hardware.
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antiloquax


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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2012, 02:28    Post subject:  

cfmendez wrote:


2.- I can’t configure the webcam. I am sure there is a post explaining how to do it, and it´s not essential to me, but I am surprised about slacko’s reluctance to it.


I used Guvcview. There's a thread about it here.

Re: logging in as root. Most Linux users don't do this - they run as a normal user and then use "sudo" when they need to do something that requires root privileges. Personally, I don't thinks it's a problem Wink

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BADGER.BRAD

Joined: 24 Feb 2012
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2012, 14:17    Post subject: Puppy install complications !!!  

I'd like to see a simple install process like other distros I have used ( Mandiva ,Mandrake before that, Ubuntu,Lubuntu and Xubuntu) I have tried to install to my workshop machine but have found I need to Edit files to get the thing to boot. As the Puppy version I have uses a Ubuntu base why will it not install like Ubuntu ? I think this problem will be a major obstacle to people using Puppy which is a shame as it seems to work really well from the CD ! Unfortunately it has now stopped my machine booting into Xubuntu so I will have to do a reload most likely of Lubuntu as the machine is quite old.

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2012, 14:35    Post subject:  

If you already have bootloader GRUB in place then there is an easy way to install - maybe this should be made more obvious with some level of automation. Arrow
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Pete22


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PostPosted: Mon 27 Feb 2012, 16:36    Post subject: the user Root  

The User Name of Root. Geeks understand what that means and why it is important to
know if you are using Root or not. Users do not understand why, so the word Root means
nothing to them. Users want geeks to make the program safe enough for them to use
without hurting anything. Geeks are totally capable of getting to a desktop, tweaking and
rebooting in Root if they want.

Users, however, are not capable of doing the reverse.

I like the name of a program I found back when I was using windose vista. It was called
Godmode. It overrides windose demand that only the “trusted installer" has the right to do
certain functions. The name immediately impressed on my mind that unless I knew what I
was doing, I should not mess with Godmode.

The name Root does not give me that same impression.
I think of a family tree or digging for ancestral roots. Very Happy

Perhaps, Root user should be called Godmode or another word that would give the same
impression. There's also a game that has 4 levels of play.
The 4th level is listed for The creator of the known universe. Wink

Even the name Geekmode would work I think.

So you could have

Usermode
and
Geekmode


What do you think?


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cfmendez

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Feb 2012, 19:07    Post subject:  

antiloquax wrote:
I used Guvcview. There's a thread about it here.

Thanks for your help. I realize that my webcam is not uvc compliant so it didn't work.

antiloquax wrote:
Re: logging in as root. Most Linux users don't do this - they run as a normal user and then use "sudo" when they need to do something that requires root privileges. Personally, I don't thinks it's a problem Wink

How do I switch back to user mode? I was asked during installation to select root or user and I didn't understand the implications of this. Moreover, to a newby (or perhaps I should say to me), root sounds better.
Thanks again
Carlos
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antiloquax


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Feb 2012, 04:17    Post subject:  

Sorry, maybe I didn't make that very clear. Puppy users usually run as "root". We get criticised for it by other Linux users. I've never bothered with the spot / fido things.
Being "root" does carry the risk that it's a bit easier to mess things up ...

I'm sorry the webcam isn't sorted - I expect there is a way to do it, but I don't know ...

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torgo

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Mar 2012, 17:18    Post subject:  

I find both "root" and "home" amusing in Puppy.

For many users, "root" implies a top-level directory, either of a specific drive or of the file system overall. The name "home" implies a user directory, typically for a specific user account.

But when you boot Puppy from CD, whatever drive contains the save file gets named "home". Meanwhile, the default user name is "root".

So... your home (user) folder is named "root", while the root directory (top level) of the hard drive is named "home".
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Mar 2012, 08:25    Post subject:  

I'm still new to Puppy linux. I've only ever used XP before and then only for the basics.

Speaking for myself I don't feel there's any great distinction between running as root or as spot. I don't use the console a great deal yet, still getting to grips with that. But I have used it as root and spot, just to see what the difference is.

In my case I'm the only one who uses this laptop so I don't think it matters much either way. Traditionalists, and I mean people who have probably been using linux for years, would probably frown upon the way you can sign is as either one, that's how it seems to me from what I've read here and elsewhere. I know there's more chance I can mess things up using root but I figure if I do I'll just start again with a fresh install so there's no real harm done.

That, by the way, is one of the reasons I'm enjoying Puppy so much. If I mess it up, I can start over. And I have, a couple of times, but that's all part of learning how it works.

I'm forever amazed at what you can do with it, and at how much work and time and effort the people who develop everything here put into it.

I found a little console music player here this morning, cmus, I think it's called. I downloaded it, a couple of clicks and it's playing my music perfectly, no hassle, first time. It's brilliant. I didn't even know stuff like that existed.

Root or spot, I don't think it matters. I'm having fun.

and I definitely won't be going back to w*%%!ws, ever. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Mar 2012, 09:22    Post subject:  

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NICE! Very Happy

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mgh

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar 2012, 23:55    Post subject: a reliable installer  

I am not an experienced Linux user, but currently dual boot desktop with WIN7 and Linux Mint, and laptop with WIN7 and Bodhi Linux (which is an outstanding distro!), so have had some experience.

Spent a good deal of time today reading around the forum, and tried at least 8 different methods to get Puppy to boot from USB all with no luck.

Very interested in Puppy, runs amazing off of live CD, but a USB option would be nice.

Thanks

Looks like a great forum here!
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antiloquax


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 04:46    Post subject:  

@mgh
The usb booting difficulties are often to do with the bios of the computer. I had a Dell machine (not even a very old one) that would not boot from a usb at all until I did a bios update.

It is a bit trial and error. If you post up details of what you have tried / what options your bios gives when you call up boot device selection, someone will probably be able to help!

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 14:36    Post subject: Re: a reliable installer  

mgh wrote:
I am not an experienced Linux user, but currently dual boot desktop with WIN7 and Linux Mint, and laptop with WIN7 and Bodhi Linux (which is an outstanding distro!), so have had some experience.

Spent a good deal of time today reading around the forum, and tried at least 8 different methods to get Puppy to boot from USB all with no luck.

Very interested in Puppy, runs amazing off of live CD, but a USB option would be nice.

Thanks

Looks like a great forum here!


My apologies to the dev team!
Apparently my issue was that I was installing to an ext4 partition, or a VFAT partition.
I reformatted the partition to ext3, used the universal installer with all the default settings, and it will now boot of the flash drive on both my PCs.
Very nice!
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 18:18    Post subject:  

Good news! Very Happy
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Old puppy


Joined: 03 Apr 2012
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Location: Dual boot Italy / Brazil

PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2012, 05:43    Post subject:  

I think that I can give you a rare point of view here, the one coming from a perfect and unskilled nobody, who used just win98se for over a decade and who installed puppy 5.2.2 right yesterday.

To start off, the installation.
As I've written on the other board -beginners help-, although totally unskilled, I was able to install puppy-wary 5.2.2 on a toshiba satellite 2180cdt 64mb ram without CD/floppy support. After having done it, I feel that few words about this possibility could be spent in those very detailed "how to install puppy" guides, maybe adding a chapter named "No CD/DVD? No Floppy? No USB? No problems!".

Also, about Grub. I've loved it, more since when I've discovered that it was enough to copy to the HD just 2 files (grldr and menu.lst from Grub4dos) , to edit the .lst a very simple boot.ini (win) to see puppy in dual boot. No installation, no warnings about possible boot troubles. Nothing.

I can't say a lot more about puppy itself because I'm still looking at it.
Just few things: it appears that the seamonkey embedded in wary 5.2.2 is meant for higher class machiness than mine. It starts to load. And continues. Nothing else.

In my opinion, and I remark that this is a newbie one, I would have preferred to deal with further installations (browser & co fitting to my machine possibilities) rather than to search ways to uninstall embeded apps previously downloaded @ 5kb/s Confused

More comments will follow Smile

Meanwhile.. a big THANK YOU for all your efforts!
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