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Fox7777


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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jun 2005, 19:35    Post subject:  Direct boot from hard drive?  

We have a 1996 Dell Optiplex GMT 5166 computer that we installed Puppy Linux 1.0.1 on (1.0.2 didn't work on it). We initially had to use a boot floppy to boot the CD for installation but when the hard drive install was finished we still had to save a couple files to a boot disk to start it instead of booting directly from the hard drive which seemed very unusual. Is there a way to install Puppy Linux 1.0.1 so you can boot directly from the hard drive?
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jun 2005, 19:48    Post subject: Re: Direct boot from hard drive?  

Fox7777 wrote:
We have a 1996 Dell Optiplex GMT 5166 computer that we installed Puppy Linux 1.0.1 on (1.0.2 didn't work on it). We initially had to use a boot floppy to boot the CD for installation but when the hard drive install was finished we still had to save a couple files to a boot disk to start it instead of booting directly from the hard drive which seemed very unusual. Is there a way to install Puppy Linux 1.0.1 so you can boot directly from the hard drive?


Well yes there is. Lots of ways really. I think GRUB is the best way.

If you have MS-DOS you can use the GRUB for DOS. And keep the MBR as it is.

Or you can install Linux GRUB to the MBR and the other files on a Linux partition.

Which of these two options do you prefer?
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2005, 11:53    Post subject: Re: Direct boot from hard drive?  

We don't have DOS & would like to have everything on one partition. We now have Puppy installed on a partition but have to use the floppy to boot. Is there a way to use Puppy to install Grub on this computer & then perhaps move the files on the floppy to the same partition so that we could turn on the computer and have the Grub menu come up with Puppy on the menu?
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2005, 12:03    Post subject:  

I don't know if you have a Linux partition. If you have a Linux partition maybe Puppy can install GRUB for you.

If you were running 1.0.2 there is a program called grubconfig. It will install GRUB for you. Maybe it is also in 1.0.1 - check and see by typing grubconfig on the command line.
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2005, 13:29    Post subject: Re: Direct boot from hard drive?  

Puppy 1.0.1 is installed on a Linux partition on the hard drive & we currently have to use the boot floppy to boot.
grubconfig didn't work on this Puppy 1.0.1 system. There is apparently no grub or boot files. Also there is no option to setup grub like there apparently is in Puppy 1.0.2.

Could we use PupGet to download grub & set it up? If so, what about the files on the boot floppy? We think the real value of Puppy (or DSL) is the abiity to install on old computers so they are still useful for the average computer user & don't end up in landfills. Considering this, will we be able to install future versions of Puppy on these old computers?
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danleff


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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2005, 16:41    Post subject:  

What happened that Puppy 1.0.2 would not work on this system?
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2005, 17:16    Post subject: Re: Direct boot from hard drive?  

Fox7777 wrote:
Puppy 1.0.1 is installed on a Linux partition on the hard drive & we currently have to use the boot floppy to boot.
grubconfig didn't work on this Puppy 1.0.1 system. There is apparently no grub or boot files. Also there is no option to setup grub like there apparently is in Puppy 1.0.2.

Could we use PupGet to download grub & set it up? If so, what about the files on the boot floppy? We think the real value of Puppy (or DSL) is the abiity to install on old computers so they are still useful for the average computer user & don't end up in landfills. Considering this, will we be able to install future versions of Puppy on these old computers?


My guess and this is only a guess is that maybe Kernel 2.6 needs some extra arguments to boot some of the these old computers. Examples of arguments I'd try:

ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noapic

But I don't know except this is what I'd try but I don't have the right computer to test with.

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I don't think there is a .PUP GRUB package.

You should be able to download GRUB binary setup from the Intenet. GRUB is GRUB.

Maybe someone else has a better idea.
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2005, 19:58    Post subject: Re: Direct boot from hard drive?  

When we try to boot Puppy 1.0.2 on the above computer with the necessary boot floppy, it downloads a couple files from the CD & gets to the point where the kernel is starting & just sits there with the cursor flashing. We don't see any place to enter the above commands. What is the solution?
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2005, 20:34    Post subject:  

I think Bruce may have hit on it, maybe an acpi issue. Bruce, do you know where to add the arguments on the floppy? Can it be done in Tiny?

The new Puppy iso is also finicky about the speed that the iso file is burned at. Older cdrom drives sometimes have trouble reading home made cdr disks, even worse, cdrw disks. I had to burn mine at 1X or 2X speed to get it to work. This is not too much of an issue, as the file is small enough not to take too much time to burn properly.

If you want to see if this is an issue and don't mind burning another cdr disk, try that. If it does not work, you know that the problem is acpi. Then, if someone knows how to add the arguments to the floppy, try acpi=off first. laptops usually need the noalpic option.

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2005, 21:54    Post subject: Re: Direct boot from hard  

We tried writing the CD at 2X speed with but that didn't make any difference. The CD writer has performed very well so it would be a surprise if that was the problem. We also tried inserting acpi=off in autoexec.bat & config.sys on the floppy not knowing what we were doing but that didn't make any difference either. We still need a solution.
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun 2005, 22:24    Post subject: Re: Direct boot from hard drive?  

Fox7777 wrote:
When we try to boot Puppy 1.0.2 on the above computer with the necessary boot floppy, it downloads a couple files from the CD & gets to the point where the kernel is starting & just sits there with the cursor flashing. We don't see any place to enter the above commands. What is the solution?


I don't know how change the command line arguments when booting Puppy CD. I don't think there is a way, but maybe there is. Presuming there is not a way to enter the arguments I'd go about it this way:

You can boot with 1.0.1 correct?

You have a Linux partition or FAT32 partition with free space?

If true do like this:

1) boot with 1.0.1 and copy some files from the 1.0.2 CD-ROM disk to the hard disk at /

* image.gz
* vmlinuz
* usr_cram.fs

2) insert your MS-DOS GRUB boot floppy with the editable menu.lst and add the arguments I suggested to the end of the kernel command line.

Small problem here: You don't have an MS-DOS GRUB boot floppy disk. I'll create one and post it NOT here but in the HOW-TO section.

The idea I have is to make a .zip package with GRUB and a menu system and a freeware editor. The user will only have to copy all the files to an already prepared MS-DOS boot disk and bingo - you have a complete GRUB system with options to boot Puppy on what ever install type or partition.

In the meantime see if you can get an MS-DOS boot disk ready and I'll do my part and put the GRUB package together. Check the HOW TO section of the forum tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun 2005, 01:16    Post subject: Re: Direct boot from hard drive? (solved)  

We copied the 3 files by opening up two rox windows & dragging from the Puppy 1.0.2 cdrom to /(Thumbs). Hopefully that is OK.

Update: The key is installing Grub to the master boot record in these older computers. Problem solved.

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PeterSieg

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun 2005, 01:55    Post subject: grubhd.zip  

Hi Fox7777.

search this forum for grubhd.zip.
get it to /root.
unzip it there. Don't delete the zip!
run the install-grubhd.sh script.

There are 2 scripts. One for type 2 install, one for type 1 install.
Both will install grub as boor manager on hdd. The script assumes
that Puppy is the only OS on the hard disk (But can handle multiple
instances of Puppy Smile!

This works only with 1.0.1!
In 1.0.2 Barry has incorporated this with
grubconfig.

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun 2005, 02:44    Post subject:  

I didn't know about the grubhd.zip package someone put together. That would install grub on the hard disk.

I just put a package together which will install a complete grub boot manager on the floppy disk. You can find it in the How To section.

Now you have a range of options!
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun 2005, 11:54    Post subject:  

If you can still boot from the CD, you might want to try the 1.0.2-Opera version since it has a startup menu were you can boot without acpi to see if that is the issue between 1.0.1 and 1.0.2. In the end, that may be the easiest way to install grub.
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