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puppyluvr


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Jun 2009, 02:27    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
@Hey John,
Congrats on the reception Teenpup `09 is receiving!!!
#1 D/L on Softpedia!!!
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Mic67

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Jun 2009, 03:27    Post subject:  

@Hey John,
Congrats on the reception Teenpup `09 is receiving!!!
#1 D/L on Softpedia!!!

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When you get to a certain age you find it important to let people know what you think!!

Good Job....much appreciated. Objective sufficently achieved.

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TheProphet

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Jun 2009, 05:21    Post subject:  

Cool.

I've already got TEENpup 2008 installed but have been using 2009 for the past few days. I especially was happy that my mostest favorite game of all time is installed by default, Minesweeper.

How do I install it as a "version upgrade" which I've not done on Puppy yet? Point me to the tutorial. (I know there is one)

This one is a contender that will blow Windoze' s--errr "Stuff" in the weeds.

I can see absolutely nothing the Win users usually complain about.

Molte Bravissimo.

And I take it that it won't install readily on SCSI...

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john biles


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Jun 2009, 02:16    Post subject:  

Hello richard.a,
Thank you for all the testing you've done, it must have taken hours! It shows that TEENpup only suits a number of PC's and Laptops out there. I have a 2001 Compaq Presario 1200 with 800Mhz Pentium III and TEENpup works fine on that.
It saddens me to see all those Users who are having downloaded TEENpup and it doesn't work on their PC's. I know I'm not alone as some of the Big names in Linux haven't worked on my equipment either.

Hello TheProphet,
As TEENpup 2009 Legacy is still based on Puppy 2.14 like TEENpup 2008 was, it may be not upgradeable. you may have to save your important files on an external Hard drive or another partition and wipe 2008 and install 2009. If someone has a better trick for this please let us know.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Jun 2009, 06:07    Post subject:
Subject description: SATA drive work-around
 

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What I'm doing is to attempt to install on another machine and then copy the files to the machine with SATA drives. Then provide the files as a web download.

Puppy will normally work this way - with copying between IDE drives because of the magnificently simple configuration procedure. I do it all the time.

I have also done it with ver 9.3 SuSE (with its YaST configurator) and Linspire 4.5, 5.0 and 5.1 extremely successfully, all because of user-friendly re-configuration, of which the Linspire one is the easiest. You merely pick a menu item in Grub Smile

It works between IDE computers in both the pup_save and the install type 2 to partition modes.

It may take a couple of days. Keep you posted.

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davesurrey

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jun 2009, 18:07    Post subject:  

From an initial first view it seems that this is a very fine distro for which many thanks John.

However it's clear in this thread that a fair few are having problems installing it.

For the record I don't have any SATA HDDs nor DVD/CDs. But I have tried 5 times to do a frugal install to different partitions and have only had 2 successes.

I confirm that I haven't tried using a psubdir as I understand it doesn't work.

For the record I have had no trouble installing Puppy 214X (ttuuxxx's revised 214R) nor any other puppy on this PC.

I could only get it working if I used a partition without any other puppy and using the following grub stanza.
Code:

title TeenPup 2.14 frugal on hdb5
    rootnoverify (hd1,4)
    kernel (hd1,4)/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=hdb5 acpi=force
    initrd (hd1,4)/initrd.gz



After each re-boot I get "Useful Tips" which I can disengage but also PDrive (Puppy Drive Manager) always comes up at the start. Is there a sway of stopping this. Personally I find it annoying.

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jun 2009, 19:54    Post subject:  

Dave, interesting post. And I guess the key is that "one size fits all" doesn't work with Puppy. Come to think of it, it doesn't work with other *nixes either.
davesurrey wrote:

Code:

title TeenPup 2.14 frugal on hdb5
    rootnoverify (hd1,4)
    kernel (hd1,4)/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=hdb5 acpi=force
    initrd (hd1,4)/initrd.gz

Interesting you put this line in... rootnoverify (hd1,4) - I've only ever seen that used in a Windows or a DOS environment.
Saying that, I believe that a frugal install has to be in a FAT partition, from memory. Perhaps that's why you have the line in there?

davesurrey wrote:

After each re-boot I get "Useful Tips" which I can disengage but also PDrive (Puppy Drive Manager) always comes up at the start. Is there a sway of stopping this. Personally I find it annoying.
Cheers
Dave

In my exploration of Live running in those several boxes, I saw it happen, too, but not on every instance. I wish I'd made a note of it, now. Sorry.
When I can get back on to this I'll try several type 2 installs on those various boxes, but this will entail resizing partitions to allow that to happen. It all takes time, though.

Someone asked about dotpups and dotpets. I tried one of each, because based on 2.14 it should. And the two I tried (live) work well. Forget which they were. But it's probably quicker to try and report that it does work, than wait and see if someone picks the question up. Not being picky, because I've also asked. If you try it live in a pfix=ram environment, it doesn't matter if you break it Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jun 2009, 20:36    Post subject:  

Hello Richard,
Thanks for your post.
Quote:
And I guess the key is that "one size fits all" doesn't work with Puppy. Come to think of it, it doesn't work with other *nixes either.

Yes, totally agree with you but Teenpup and also ttuuxxx's 214X have started my interest in the older puppies and both these seem so good that I really would like to understand them (including their limitations) so I can install over a range of PCs.

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I believe that a frugal install has to be in a FAT partition

No, I understand that whereas a frugal install can be to a FAT partition it doesn't have to be and ext2 and ext3 are equally as good (some would say better.) I have plenty of examples working on my PC here.

Quote:
Interesting you put this line in... rootnoverify (hd1,4)


Well it also works just using "root" in place of "rootnoverify" but I usually use the latter for all my frugal grub stanzas. And the 4-series manual uses rootnoverify for a frugal install (root for a full install.) Perhaps it's just my habit.

Good luck with your testing on all those older PCs.

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Dave
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Artie


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 03:33    Post subject:  

I have been reading through this thread and I'm very impressed by the quality of the latest teenpup. Since I'm a distro junkie in my experience installing any distro is gambling and many of the big ones can't be installed or don't work properly on my machine.

I'm also very impressed with the testing richard.a has done and he has some very good points. I'm especially interested in 24hour clock and the locale setting. John, may I suggest that you start a new thread calling it "TEENpup 2009 Legacy FAQ" or something similar where you address some of these questions and provide suggestions for solving them? Keep up the good work!

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 10:19    Post subject:  

Hello davesurrey,
If open the hidden file .xinitrc in the root (home) folder and navigate to:


Quote:
##v2.14 rarsa: update xdg menu for w.m. that do not allow includes...
#which ${CURRENTWM}_menu_refresh && ${CURRENTWM}_menu_refresh
#...no, now doing it differently, see /usr/sbin/fixmenus

wavplay /usr/share/audio/2barks.wav &
/usr/bin/karamba &
/usr/local/pdrive/pdrive_daemon &
/opt/kde/bin/ktip &
#kdialog --passivepopup "Applications like Vuse and Open Office may take up to a minute to start up on older Hardware, please be patient..." 5
#kdialog --passivepopup "Applications like ZynAddSubFX and TVtime may fail to START on Low RAM PC's..." 5
/usr/bin/amor &

#exec $CURRENTWM
#v2.11 GuestToo suggested this improvement...


and put a # in front of any of these lines you can turn off what you don't want.

wavplay /usr/share/audio/2barks.wav & = Sound at startup
/usr/bin/karamba & = Starts karamba side panel
/usr/local/pdrive/pdrive_daemon & = Starts pdrive's daemon
/opt/kde/bin/ktip & = Starts ktip TEENpup's tips
/usr/bin/amor & = Little cat at bottom of screen

so if wanted to turn off all of them it would look like this:


#wavplay /usr/share/audio/2barks.wav &
#/usr/bin/karamba &
#/usr/local/pdrive/pdrive_daemon &
#/opt/kde/bin/ktip &
#/usr/bin/amor &

I hope this helps Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 13:57    Post subject:  

Hello John,
Thank you for reply which was very helpful.

Unfortunately I can't put it into practise as I am struggling to get TeenPup to install on my test PC.

I have got it working before (and have ttuuxxx's 214x installed okay) but it seems 2 series based Puppys are a lot harder to get running than the 4 series I "grew up" on.

Not giving up as TeenPup really does look so good so reading through the forum for help.

Thanks again for the help.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 14:41    Post subject:  

davesurrey wrote:
Hello John,
Thank you for reply which was very helpful.

Unfortunately I can't put it into practise as I am struggling to get TeenPup to install on my test PC.

I have got it working before (and have ttuuxxx's 214x installed okay) but it seems 2 series based Puppys are a lot harder to get running than the 4 series I "grew up" on.

Not giving up as TeenPup really does look so good so reading through the forum for help.

Thanks again for the help.
Dave


Hi Dave did you try the 4 series grub pet package I put together on the 2.14.1X thread?
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=19435
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 15:02    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx, Gosh you are here and there and everywhere. Smile Just finished a message to you on your 214X thread.

No, haven't used this yet. What does it do? I don't want to change my MBR and the existing grub I have been using for months and months seems perfectly fine and besides there are issues with Puppy's grub and inodes.

But if you can let me know what this does, what are the improvements/changes then I can judge what to do.

Reading the forum I am finding out that having two versions of 2-series save-files may cause problems. Investigating this now. Looking for a work around to keep 214X and teenpup files in sub folders, just like 4 series. Not going to give up. Must be mad! Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 15:17    Post subject:  

davesurrey wrote:
ttuuxxx, Gosh you are here and there and everywhere. Smile Just finished a message to you on your 214X thread.

No, haven't used this yet. What does it do? I don't want to change my MBR and the existing grub I have been using for months and months seems perfectly fine and besides there are issues with Puppy's grub and inodes.

But if you can let me know what this does, what are the improvements/changes then I can judge what to do.

Reading the forum I am finding out that having two versions of 2-series save-files may cause problems. Investigating this now. Looking for a work around to keep 214X and teenpup files in sub folders, just like 4 series. Not going to give up. Must be mad! Smile

Cheers
Dave


Well you said you were having install issues, so that pet is the updated installer/grub from 4 series, still in the testing phase for 2 series and probably better to use it on your test pc.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 15:23    Post subject:  

Quote:
so that pet is the updated installer/grub

Just to be clear does that modify not just the grub-installer but the Puppy universal installer as well? If it does then I'll certainly give it a try. If not then I doubt it can help as I don't need to install grub at each puppy install to boot.
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