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#106 Post by alienjeff »

Pizzasgood wrote:...and intend to eventually go forge my own path.
Consider a base install of Arch and build from there. Huge repository. Excellent package and dependency management. Eccentric community. Outstanding documentation. Very active forum. Lots of young blood.
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#107 Post by ttuuxxx »

I think he said he was going it alone, If anyone has a chance of doing what Barry and another top Linux gurus have I done, I personally believe he'll do it, No need to follow other peoples starts, He's more than ready, If anything Arch would take him off the path he wants to end-up.

I think he would have lots of support from the forum if he just ask when needed.
He's been there for us, I don't see why not be there for him, if need be.

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#108 Post by Lobster »

Besides, I'm a flipping anarchist
8) Good luck with your new distro.
Do you have any initial plans/ideas?

Be interested how you boot strap (Puppy was boot strapped from Red Hat)
That means programs were compiled in Red Hat for inclusion in Puppy.
then Mandriva (before the name change) and then Vector and T2
I believe that is right.

Good to hear you will still be about
Live long and prosper 8)
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#109 Post by ecomoney »

PizzasGood NOOO!!!! :cry:

WhoDo's resignation his I think was about this thread about Puppy Woof's colourscheme, plus I think he has a lot on "IRL".
Anarchism a doctrine advocating the abolition of government and its replacement by a social system based on voluntary cooperation
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Since Microsoft was George Bush's major contributors, voluntary working on a piece of software (Puppy Linux) whos aim is to help (be "friendly to") "new Linux Users" is not something the powers-that-be are going to praise you for. Do you not think these two stories are perhaps linked?

http://www.boycottbush.net/consumers.htm#microsoft
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... lZaQM5xGZg

When we signed up on this forum, we all agreed, voluntarily, to abide by the forum rules.
You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented material
And its code of conduct...
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(and before you ask, no Im not saying I have always Ive been squeeky clean, just a lot cleaner than some)

Contributing to this project by moderating this forum is about as "anarchist" as it gets in supporting others "free will" and their "free information", and also a big contribution to dismantling the structures that would otherwise control freedom of speech/expression/information. Just by setting up the bug-tracking section in response to feedback you have greatly improved the quality of the future Puppy Linux, and made it an even better tool for freeing people from controlling, proprietary, and government funding alternative OS's.
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Of course you have your own freedom and free will PG...and are you sure that the path you are planning to take puts you in a position where you can elicit the philosophy you advocate?

I for one would very much like to see you stay, this forum needs a moderator with your philosophy, and others like you with more time on their hands.
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#110 Post by alienjeff »

I'm still LOL over the anarchist part. If true anarchy actually occurred, most self-proclaimed "anarchists" would be found hiding in dark corners, in the fetal position, and sucking their thumbs while waiting for some order to come about.
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#111 Post by Pizzasgood »

Well yeah, pure anarchy would be bad. Hard to condense an entire set of personal beliefs into a single word. "Anarchist" generally comes close enough.

I do intend to take a look at Arch sometime. From what I've heard it probably is the second-closest Linux to what I'm wanting, behind Puppy. I also want to play with Gobo and Chaos, and some non-Linux OSes like Plan 9 and DexOS, just to increase my horizons a bit before I start.
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Arch compared to Puppy?

#112 Post by mcewanw »

alienjeff wrote: Consider a base install of Arch and build from there. Huge repository. Excellent package and dependency management. Eccentric community. Outstanding documentation. Very active forum. Lots of young blood.
Only having dialup I always hesitate to download distributions I haven't tried before unless there are tiny download options.

I am curious to try Arch though. Just wondered if you've tried it on any older hardware (down to PII/maybe PIII with 128MB or 256 MB RAM)? If so, how does it compare to Puppy in terms of resource usage/speed?

Can it be installed in a frugal install configuration or as a full-install?
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#113 Post by ecomoney »

Well, according to their forums they "own" us when it comes to older hardware

They wernt really comparing like for like from their description though....FULL install would have "pwned" them on that computer, i suspect. Something to think about when it comes to the default type for the new installer.

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=41622
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#114 Post by daklander »

MU wrote:......
I was moderating a famous german Linux forum for 10 years.
....
Mark
Icepack by chance?

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#115 Post by droope »

ecomoney wrote:Well, according to their forums they "own" us when it comes to older hardware

They wernt really comparing like for like from their description though....FULL install would have "pwned" them on that computer, i suspect. Something to think about when it comes to the default type for the new installer.

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=41622
Ecomoney, sorry:

Not "according to their forum". According to a few users of their forum.


There's a difference.

CHeers,
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#116 Post by ecomoney »

You are correct Droope, it wouldnt be right to judge an entire forum by a few "bad apples".
wikipedia wrote: Arch Linux (or Arch) is a Linux distribution intended to be lightweight and simple.[1] The design approach of the development team focuses on "simplicity", elegance, code correctness and minimalism.[2] "Simplicity", according to Arch, is defined as "...without unnecessary additions, modifications, or complications.." and is defined from a developer standpoint, rather than a user standpoint
No challenge there then....a developer creating programs from a user standpoint is far more challenging, useful to more people, and more effective at moving people over to open source.
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#117 Post by MU »

daklander wrote:
MU wrote:......
I was moderating a famous german Linux forum for 10 years.
....
Mark
Icepack by chance?
no, it was a general Linux forum. Old snapshot:
http://web.archive.org/web/200601281946 ... orum54930/
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#118 Post by yorkiesnorkie »

ttuuxxx wrote:I for one want the forum administrators to kindly think about banning indefinitely the user "Ecomoney" he has broken the last straw in my eye, Its 100% because of him that Warren has asked for his account to be suspended and also that warren has resigned from package coordinator.
Woah there ttuuxxx. I disagree. There are all sorts of people in the world. Sometimes you just have to step back and agree that you'll disagree. Even some of the most difficult people do have something valid to say. Part of the open in open source is a respect for what others contribute even when they disagree with you.

Personally, I deeply respect Warren's contribution to 4.2 and am thankful for it. I am also thankful for the contributions made by others to Puppy. It can't be easy to decide what goes into a Puppy distribution.

Puppy is a work in progress, but I'm not sure everyone recognizes that when they pick up a distro and slide it into their cd or dvd drive. I believe it would be un-realistic to expect it to be perfect. I have no such expectation myself but am eminently grateful for everthing that does work!

With regard to the process of improving Puppy, I'm not sure what you and other's have agreed upon as a framework for further development. Or, what the area's of responsibility might be, or what items appear on the agenda and in what priority. However it looks to me as though the air needs to be cleared. I would urge you all to just step back a moment and take a deep breath and see if there is something that you can all agree upon, start small and build a better working relationship. It'll take time but maybe you can all sort things out.

All the best,

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#119 Post by daklander »

MU wrote:
daklander wrote:
MU wrote:......
I was moderating a famous german Linux forum for 10 years.
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Mark
Icepack by chance?
no, it was a general Linux forum. Old snapshot:
http://web.archive.org/web/200601281946 ... orum54930/
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Ah, Thanks. Icepack was my first reasonably successful foray into Linux. I still have a set of CDs for version 2.75. It was, at the time, the easiest distro to install and it found more hardware than any other distro I'd tried to that point.

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#120 Post by Hugh »

Thanks to all who have participated in the 'exchanges' in this topic!

It's been an interesting 'read' for a certainty. In the spirit of an Agatha
Christie or a Miss Marple!

Look. What's happened here is something we've all experienced in our own family lives. What's all the fuss about a couple of people having a disagreement? In the end it will, and probably already has, been resolved to a great extent.

When I was teaching I would get burnout regularly twice a year. It was a miserable experience not only for me, but for all who interacted with me.

Then when the 'load' eased up, life and the job became enjoyable once again!

Stress, from whatever source, is a real killer of 'joy' and 'peace.'

Once this episode is 'old business' we'll be 'healthy' again and Puppy will be the better for it!

Thanks 'WhoDo' for all that you've already done and what you'll yet do!!

Thanks 'Eco...' for your contributions as well.

Now, when ttuuxxx gets his X7 ready to fire up...

Puppy is very unique and has a very 'diverse' family of 'users.'

Many thanks to all y'all! (Puppy bro's and sista's)

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#121 Post by Pizzasgood »

Once this episode is 'old business'...
I thought it already was. This thread had been growing dusty for nearly a month before you posted. ;)
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#122 Post by Hugh »

That would seem to indicate that some mending has already
occurred then!

All is well once again in the Kingdom of Puppy.

The End

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#123 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hugh wrote:That would seem to indicate that some mending has already
occurred then!

All is well once again in the Kingdom of Puppy.

The End
Naaa not really Warren/Whodo isn't back yet, ever since his last post, the only contributions towards puppy that he has done is pm Barry with some icons, well thats all I know of, and if he would be back, I probably would have a list of 200 things that he would of contributed towards puppy. Oh well, I still hope he comes back.
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#124 Post by cb88 »

I'm not dead!

heh...

and concerning Arch it does "pwn" puppy in some ways namely

the name is cool :-)
has more installable software
has a package build framework (abs/PKGBUILD..etc)
has a powerfull stable and lightweigt package manager
can be installed with a nearly custom package set for low ram (I have used it on a 64mb ram PII... worked fine for the internet till adobe flash loaded up)
recently gained an improved installer
huge informative wiki

....I can go on

puppy pwns at being simple and easy to use at least for the very beginners and intermediate users... and just regular folks and like always to each thier own


well.. sorry to hear warren took leave

chill out guys! and install debian or something... you know contribute some of these mini front end GUIs to the big distros Im sure they would be welcome in Arch ie Pmount MUT Pfind pburn etc.... they really set the distro apart and I kinda miss having handy stuff like that elsewhere
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#125 Post by ttuuxxx »

cb88 wrote:you know contribute some of these mini front end GUIs to the big distros Im sure they would be welcome in Arch ie Pmount MUT Pfind pburn etc.... they really set the distro apart and I kinda miss having handy stuff like that elsewhere
not on your life! That's what makes puppy, Puppy and the community, what did you think you would just pop in here, take the best best puppy has to offer and pissoff back to Arch,lol what Gull.
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