Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

raffy · Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4639 Location: Manila

Whodo is already facing stress in many fronts. He is moderator of the development section of this forum as well as package maintainer at ibiblio, handpicked by Barry. But he faces financial difficulties, too.

The least that forum members can do now is nag him about his past shortcomings, whether perceived or real. People here know that teams take turns in development, and you can always work on your preferred project all the time. There is no excuse for nagging.

Also, pitting one group against another, such as users against developers, should be avoided by all means.

James C · Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4768 Location: Kentucky

I jokingly changed his name to "Egomoney" in another thread, however iy does seem appropriate. The only thing being promoted by Ecomoney is Ecomoney.

A few months ago he volunteered to make a video for Puppy. A concern arose over the size of the credits for him and his company and, no video has appeared yet.

He maintains on social sites, like Facebook, that he is a project manager for a "top ten Linux Distro" and in reality he started the infamous "Community Edition" in 2007 with no finished project in sight. Most project managers who work that slowly would be fired.

If Ecomoney wants a Linux distro for his friends, company, clients, babysitters, etc. he can build his own or remaster or........ instead he tries to change Puppy to fit his needs. Some of his ideas are pretty good...........for a puplet.

If someone wants to work with Ecomoney on a puplet, go for it.However, for the main Puppy distribution Ecomoney needs to chill and WhoDo needs to stay. One is interested in advancing Puppy while the other is interested in promoting his own self-interest. You decide who is who.

hondasid · Joined: 31 Oct 2008 Posts: 259 Location: Perry, OK

This kind of in-fighting will result in 4.2.1 being the last Puppy. We're slowing tearing ourselves apart. Why can't we just let bygones be bygones and get back to the task at hand: making Puppy better.

ttuuxxx · Posted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 14:17 Post subject:

All I have to say guys Is I would take Warren over ecomoney any day, Warren provides the goods, and Ecomoney takes them and runs. Then comes back and tries to boss us around. Really if he did get the boot, that would show some good faith towards Warren, and maybe he might come back, even if he gets the boot like for 2 weeks, just to prove a point to him and Warren that enough is enough. Sure I had my outs with Whodo when I was under pressure during the 4.2 build, but how many of you received a Email from Warren about leaving today? well?? I did, that proves something.

Anyways call it what you will, Warren is great for puppy. Losing him would be a great loss to us all.

ttuuxxx

hondasid · Joined: 31 Oct 2008 Posts: 259 Location: Perry, OK

SirDuncan · Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 836 Location: Ohio, USA

I'm sorry to hear about Warren's departure. When I first came to the forums, Warren with his friendly alien-head avatar was one of the posters that I quickly learned to look up to. I do hope that he will reconsider. Even if he chooses to no longer coordinate for the project, his staying would be beneficial to the community.

This row between Robert and Warren/Ttuuxxx has gotten out of control. Robert sent a poorly worded PM to Warren (I prefer to believe it was not intentional that it was as threatening as it seemed) and Warren reacted a bit more harshly than was probably warranted. Robert then reacted in kind and a spiral of resentment and malice ensued. Then instead of letting things cool off, Robert posted some things that came off as deriding instead of as suggestions or observations. When this was pointed out to him, he ignored it instead of amending his post (for an example see his thread about Woof's theme, he was declaring an intentional "feature" in an alpha to be a serious bug for end users, not unlike stating that Lorem Ipsum text in a document template is going to confuse readers of the final document). Normally, this might not have been a problem, but with tempers already flaring it only made things worse.

Overall, I guess I just feel disappointed that it got this bad. A little more tact from either side would likely have stopped this whole thing.

01micko · Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7037 Location: qld

This I believe, is truly the saddest day in Puppy history.

On many forums, people are banned for sending threatening PMs to anyone. Fair enough. Why should anyone be held to ransom?

Which is the biggest loss to Puppy?

davesurrey · Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 1201 Location: UK

Hello 01micko ...and others

I really have no axe to grind with you or anyone here but I can't believe some of the things I'm reading on this thread; similar to the one when WhoDo "resigned" before.

droope · Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 814 Location: Uruguay, Mercedes

Warren's loss...

Let's make this clear, Warren is not saying I leave because Ecomoney bullies me.

And, even if he did, it's his problem, not ecomoney's. Eco isn't pointing a gun at his head. If warren really dislikes his prescence, he can ignore him, and that finishes business for us all.

I thought we had ended with this already!!!!!!! Stop wasting time! (and get to work!! Razz

j/k please don't kill me)

alienjeff · Joined: 08 Jul 2006 Posts: 2290 Location: Winsted, CT - USA

I don't know whether to laugh or cry, so I think I'll make a PBJ sammich and pour a glass of milk.

Having survived a number of pissing matches and pitching of stones on this forum, I can understand how this one was bound to happen. Typical clash of the egos. Inevitable.

It wasn't altogether that long ago when it was ttuuxxx who was riding the cotton pony, got his panties all bunched up, and took an indefinite leave of absence from the fold. And that episode was in large part ego-driven, as is this current one.

From a distance, Robert's incessant needling was only a symptom of what pushed Warren over the edge.

Rotation of service helps to prevent burn out. Perhaps this unplanned hiatus of Whodo's will be beneficial to all involved.

markofkane · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 314 Location: Kane, IL USA

I like Puppy, and it's a shame Whodo is leaving. But he did say it was final, right?

I hate to see Warren leave the forum, for the short time I was a member.

There will always be troublemakers, and as a moderator of a few forums, I warn, then ban if warnings don't work.

My philosophy is: If you don't like it, leave. (If you don't like Puppy or the forum)

Whiners should go cry in their beer and leave the rest of us alone. (I don't mean Whodo, but those that whine constantly about Puppy or the forum.

I hope I don't appear to be a whiner. Embarassed

Just my 2 cents. Cool

trio · Posted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 03:44 Post subject:

Hi all,

I hate to loose Whodo, after all, he's my bling-brother along with ziggy, micko, tasmod. But, comes back to my opinion = puppy is about choices. So, I really like to have whodo stays but also respect his choice.

As for Ecomoney's presence, I think most of us here, had said something rude, including me. But this is a forum, and the are moderators (who should do their job)...and really their job to decide when to ban people. We can have whatever opinion here, and it's the moderators' job to filter it.

that's all I have to say... gonna miss you whodo Crying or Very sad

disciple · Posted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 04:50 Post subject:

ttuuxxx · Posted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 04:59 Post subject:

moogsydodong · Posted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 06:28 Post subject:

I think all these commotion is a result of prolonged
sleep deprivation and probably unhealthy eating habits...

we all need adequate food
and sufficient sleep...

when did the last time you guys had a good night sleep???

...I'm going to eat plenty and sleep well...

I suggest you guys do too...maybe tomorrow when we wake up
we'll all be better... Wink