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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 14:52    Post_subject:  Ppup 414 alpha
Sub_title: Foundation for continuation of the 4.x series
 

Blog announcement:

http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00835

It's not perfect, just a snapshot.

A few things that might need attending to...

1. printing
/usr/sbin/cups_shell got modified for using with a later version of CUPS that auto-generates the PPD files. You might have to modify it back for printing to work.

2.
Wireless keyboard... I'm interested to know if the failures on alpha9 work with 414. If they do, then it's most likely a kernel version problem.

Anything else, let me know!

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 15:13    Post_subject:  

downloading it right now Smile 101MB , Thanks Barry Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 16:12    Post_subject:  

I will be downloading this tonight and testing it. and yes, thank you barry.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 16:26    Post_subject:  

Hi Barry I think you have a keeper here, sure it has minor flaws like if you click on a png file, nothing happens, lol But I'm pleased to Announce that for the first time in 4 series Firefox 3.5 and flash 10 work, I would give Firefox a 96% rating on my scrolling test, where as 4.01 was around 40% and 2.14.1X + Dpup are 100%, jpup 75%,
- flash 10 works fullscreen at youtube.
Very Very great job Barry, its been a long time coming Smile
Since Its a keeper so lets get the bug reports in guys Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 16:30    Post_subject:  

man, don't say that! know I have to come up with an excuse to go home early! I really can't wait to test it now. Firefox 3.5 and flash 10?!?!?! WOOOOOHOOOO!!!!!!

THANK YOU BARRY!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 16:46    Post_subject:  

Its not included, I installed it after I downloaded the iso, I just used the main mozilla release added dbus&dbus-glib, and Flash 10 and away you go. Well the fonts have to be setup via the menu, but its really worth it Smile
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Caneri

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 17:06    Post_subject:  

For those in North America and beyond here's a mirror

http://puppylinux.ca/puppyfiles/test/woof-414alpha/

Best,
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zigbert


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 18:16    Post_subject:  

Barry

1. Puppy 4.2 inludes some very small wallpapers that could save some space.
This post shows 4 (all 4 is only 12kb together), while 2 of these are included in Puppy 4.2. The download link is broken, but if your interested in all, I'll send them to you.

2. Pscedule, Pmusic, Pmirror, Pburn, Pfind, Pfilesearch, Pbackup and Pprocess is not updated since Puppy 4.12.
They all includes major fixes/enhancements.
My signature leads you to my P-scripts page. Give me a note if you want me to send all of them to you (since puppylinux.asia is down until july).
All my scripts having the gtkdialog-bug to not kill pid when closed are now fixed. It might be an idea to encourage the authors of Pctorrent, pCDripper, Psip, Pdvdrsab and Pmetatagger to make this fix.

3. pCD has become stable, and is also used by the latest Pmusic for audio-CD playing.
The size is 3kb and has no other dependencies than bytes already in Puppy.

4. Pwidgets may not be your hat, but I suggest you keep it easy available.
If Ptray are made available, jwmrc must be prepared for it.
Just for the knowledge: Pwidgets package is only 232kb compressed. This includes:
- ALL dependencies
- most widgets, themes
- plugins
- sidebars
- clockskins.
Nathans wallpaper setter is patched in Puppy 4.2 to sync Pwidgets optional background (sidebar).
If you want more knowledge about Pwidgets, - please listen to of one of the Pwidgets team members (also called the blingy boys Smile ): 01micko, trio, tasmod, Patriot, minhundhettepero, whodo and zigbert.

5. Puppy 4.2 solves the issue of adding new icons on the desktop (an easy way).
ttuuxxx will of course argue against this, - telling of huge delays in menu refreshments. I have stopped arguing that man a long time ago, and it will continue like that. SORRY!

6. The icon_switcher script in Puppy 4.2 is improved to NOT shrink 48x48 icons to 24x24 icons IF unique menu-icons exist in the icon-theme. Default icon-theme in Puppy 4.2 shows this.


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 18:34    Post_subject: Re: Ppup 414 alpha
Sub_title: Foundation for continuation of the 4.x series
 

BarryK wrote:
Blog announcement:

http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00835

It's not perfect, just a snapshot.

A few things that might need attending to...

1. printing
/usr/sbin/cups_shell got modified for using with a later version of CUPS that auto-generates the PPD files. You might have to modify it back for printing to work.

2.
Wireless keyboard... I'm interested to know if the failures on alpha9 work with 414. If they do, then it's most likely a kernel version problem.

Anything else, let me know!


I had just downloaded pup 414 and did a frugal install.
I tried to set up my Xerox laser printer in cups and the printer selection stunk. I downloaded a printer driver for my printer, and was unable to use it for selection no matter where I put it.
I tried the HP laserjet driver and it just printed blanks. So CUPS needs updating or at least the ability to let the user be able to install his printer with a downloaded PPD file.
By the way, I had tried the highend HP Laserjet driver and my printer went into error mode with it. It took shutting down the printer, and firing up Windows to recover. That is after I had shut down the printer and tried it with my established frugal install of Puppy 421 that had previously printed, though slow, with no problem.
Also, you might think about updating a few things. Seamonkey version for instance.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 18:44    Post_subject:  

Hi Zigbert the way that 414 alpha sits its 101MB, 1 MB over the 100MB goal, there's no room for Pwidgets or any other larger software, The iso should be shrunk by 1MB, which I'll be able to do with woof, Pwidgets breaks the desktop icons when you move a folder over the icons, your other fixes makes over 200 System links in a folder where its easily accessed and a newbee could delete and render the system useless.
Plus extra resources,slower booting, harder on laptop batteries, slower refreshing of menu icons, etc. Really it should be a addon and not forced on people, its not a necessity what so ever. Last time I had a vote on pwidgets over 80% of the community voted against it, really it was mostly the blingy crew who voted for it.

What I suggest you do is package up pwidgets,plus your custom scripts like xinitrc, fixmenus, etc in a package, I could add a link in the menu says under Menu/Desktop/Pwidgets
once clicked it will download and install your package changing all that stuff, and replace the pwidgets.desktop file with another pwidgets.desktop for your pwidgets gui, that solves everything for everybody and doesn't add any extra weight also it doesn't force things on people which they clearly didn't want in the first place.
Sincerely
ttuuxxx

ps the poll was on this thread
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=39511

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 19:01    Post_subject:  

zigbert wrote:
Barry

1. Puppy 4.2 inludes some very small wallpapers that could save some space.
This post shows 4 (all 4 is only 12kb together), while 2 of these are included in Puppy 4.2. The download link is broken, but if your interested in all, I'll send them to you.

2. Pscedule, Pmusic, Pmirror, Pburn, Pfind, Pfilesearch, Pbackup and Pprocess is not updated since Puppy 4.12.
They all includes major fixes/enhancements.
My signature leads you to my P-scripts page. Give me a note if you want me to send all of them to you (since puppylinux.asia is down until july).
All my scripts having the gtkdialog-bug to not kill pid when closed are now fixed. It might be an idea to encourage the authors of Pctorrent, pCDripper, Psip, Pdvdrsab and Pmetatagger to make this fix.

Sigmund


You can post over 1MB on here now, So maybe tar.gz them up and send me IM on here with them attached. Oh maybe you haven't read Barry's Blog, I'll be putting the next release together, including what worked on 4.2 and changing minor things like icons, So your updated packages would be great, and also maybe if you could make a wget installer script for your Pwidgets would be nice for the menu. Heck I don't even think Icewm will be included, I put a lot of work into that also.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 20:07    Post_subject:  

zigbert wrote:
Barry

1. Puppy 4.2 includes some very small wallpapers that could save some space.


They are worth including / displacing one of the images (4 for one plus smaller size) I personally would lose puppywallpaper or inflight - even though they are great. Gosh surprisingly hard decision there . . .

I will be interested in how Nicoedit and Medit work out as substitutes for Geany. Lately I have on occasion tried saving text in Geany and it complains that it can not save in some format or other.
Wot?
You are a text editor - save text, don't hassle me . . . Confused

Good to be using fotoxx and the full puppy browser
I would also suggest
saving space for the puppy database
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42480

and perhaps adding Opera, Firefox and Seamonkey to the package management system and using just PuppyBrowser Cool

Is Flash 10 ready for inclusion? I want to watch BBC and Youtube in full screen - so will have to add

This is a very high quality alpha release.
Feels good. Feels solid. It is a Puppy.

Woof Woof Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 20:26    Post_subject: Thank you
Sub_title: wireless keyboard etc.
 

THANK YOU Barry! Progress.

Wireless keyboard and mouse work intermittent on older machine.. .but on new machine WORK PERFECT...so interesting.... mouse on older machine a bit jerky... enter sometimes works... not sure what is happening... progress. Will test on a third machine etc...

Old machine CUPS finds and sets up Parallel Brother hl1440 test works.
New Machine CUPS finds and sets up USB same Printer. Test page works.

Gnumeric prints from either machine once you move cursor back up to cell with data. Abiword EXITS (as in abort to desktop) as soon as you select Print button or menu item. As well as spell check not default on.

Looks like added video formats.

PROGRESS.

Thanks Barry,
Greg
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:02    Post_subject:  

Lobster wrote:
zigbert wrote:
Barry

1. Puppy 4.2 includes some very small wallpapers that could save some space.


They are worth including / displacing one of the images (4 for one plus smaller size) I personally would lose puppywallpaper or inflight - even though they are great. Gosh surprisingly hard decision there . . .

I will be interested in how Nicoedit and Medit work out as substitutes for Geany. Lately I have on occasion tried saving text in Geany and it complains that it can not save in some format or other.
Wot?
You are a text editor - save text, don't hassle me . . . Confused

Good to be using fotoxx and the full puppy browser
I would also suggest
saving space for the puppy database
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42480

and perhaps adding Opera, Firefox and Seamonkey to the package management system and using just PuppyBrowser Cool

Is Flash 10 ready for inclusion? I want to watch BBC and Youtube in full screen - so will have to add

This is a very high quality alpha release.
Feels good. Feels solid. It is a Puppy.

Woof Woof Smile


Hi Lobster, I'll answer a few of your questions
-We can't drop the browsers and go straight to puppy browser, Puppy browser users some of Seamonkey to work, kind of like when we had skipstone, the same thing, So a default large browser would have to be included. Maybe in the future Mark might go with webkit and that would save some size and bring in some new QT libs by default. Smile
-Yes I'll go over the wallpapers the main "default" one is large 100KB, either I'll compress it or drop it, The default one in 2.14.1X is 1/2 that size, In 4.2 we all made some nice really small sized wall papers which was great, Those are the kind that we need, but we should also at least have 1-2 regular fullsized but small file sized ones, Not a problem. Don't forget thats what I'm good at Smile
- I have found already over 1MB of uncompressed space and I just started, I don't think getting it under/at 100MB will be that hard.
-As flash 10 goes, that alone is 1.4MB compressed larger than flash 9. and we are 1MB over budgeted and haven't done any updates,lol
-a simple way would be killing Seamonkey, since its a repo pet, adding Flash10, Firefox3.5, Simple mail, and xinhahere wysiwyg plugin
That would save us maybe 2+MB compressed. and just have few links to Seamonkey-full,Claws Mail, Thunderbird etc.

But I don't know how Barry would feel about that. Anyways its just an idea. The puppy personal database is 1.4MB compressed and has no chance of being part of this release, hey If our goal was to keep it under 110MB sure, why not, but we are busting already Smile

Anyways I've started and soon I'll fire-up woof. So lets get the bugs in, and squash them Smile
ttuuxxx

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:20    Post_subject:  

I think we have a Alpha Bug on our hands, I opened /tmp/xerrs.log by clicking on it, medit opened and it was a white screen, it crashed, then the pinboard crashed. Not good. lost 1.6GB of real memory and now down to 16MB free, have to reboot. So total memory loss.
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