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gposil · Posted: Tue 28 Jul 2009, 08:07 Post subject: 476d is up

For those that didn't know 476d is up

http://www.gposil.com/test/woof-alpha9/dpup/dpup476d-2.6.27.4/

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Béèm · Posted: Tue 28 Jul 2009, 08:31 Post subject: esata and rt73usb

Yesterday I saw 476d was available already and downloaded and tried.
As the forum was down, I couldn't report back then.

The second HDD (esata) is still not seen in spite of the pfix=ram and acpi=off boot options

As for the ralink rt73usb device, modules seems to be loaded, but no device attributed (should be wlan0), see the lsmod output

MinHundHettePerro · Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Posts: 831 Location: SE

Greetings! Smile

Took dpup476d for a spin, it's very snappy on my old gear, PIII 533MHz 192 MB Smile

. Streaming internet radio works nicely on the music player, browsing is fast. Smile

Ok, now over to the niggly-wigglies:

On boot-up I set my keyboard to "se"; with this setting it's impossible to mount my vfat partitions, using pmount or clicking the desktop drive icons.
Solution: I deleted "|se" from line 383 of /usr/sbin/pmount and from line 215 of /usr/local/bin/drive_all, deleted everything from /root/.pup_event, so the directories would be re-copied there. Now I can mount all drives by clicking the desktop drive icons, or by using pmount. This tinkering does not seem to affect any "se"-characters that are in the file-names Smile

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I understand the intention of putting that code there but, unfortunately, it had to go for my "se"-keyboard. Cool

Internal SCSI drives are not seen, evidently. Awaiting a SCSI-enabled kernel build. Smile

Tried to run "curl -s ......" complaints: "curl: error while loading shared libraries: libssh2.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Sad

Manual frugal install in a subdirectory: Upon reboot, it pauses in the shutdown process to wait for confirmation that the optical drives are ejected (can insert them again, though) Confused

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Apart from the niggly-wigglies mentioned above, it runs very nicely Smile

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cheers/
MHHP

davids45 · Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 580 Location: Chatswood, NSW

G'day,

A report of dpup476 on a dual core desktop with two SATA internal hard-drives with 14 partitions on each, plus some usbs.
The dpup-d Live CD ran well with no odd start-up typing required (just pfix=ram).
The 30 odd partition icons did not default space nicely across the desk-top, bunching up in the bottom right corner (Pup214x7 has fixed this giving two rows of drive icons).
Used the Universal Installer for a frugal install - no problems for my set-up. Don't know how it would be for a new (non-grub-already) install.

Re-boot via grub was Ok but I did briefly see a "fatal error" flash by as the kernel modules loaded. A slight black-screen delay before Xorg's cursor appeared.
But dpup openned with no major problems. I relocated the bunched icons into two rows and switched to a nicer-looking icon set.
Eth0 connection was good (I use a static IP) but no wireless was found. So I clicked the wizard through to use ndiswrapper which set up wlan0 without problem.

Re-booted to set up my dpup476 save file and saw the same flash-by "fatal error" line during kernel loading but dpup was again fine and the network and desktop changes were intact.
Opted to boot-load several sfs3 files via boot manager, installed a few small pets, added Seamonkey 1.1.15v1 (I have a large and growing e-mail archive so Sylpheed is useless for me) and re-booted.

Everything was good, the sfs files were there, both network connections were established, the dual cores were active. Bubbles was almost as fast with dpup as with aragon's 4.2 SMP 2.6.30.1 kernel version (my benchmark test champion - no wonder the bubbles break!).

When I decided to turn off the computer, not re-boot, the system halted OK but as before with earlier dpups, the power did not switch off. A minor glitch if you're not used to clicking the turn off button and just walking away - I was surprised to come back a few hours later and see the monitor display still on.

I've yet to try getting a deb package which should be an important test for this Woofer.

In summary, I found d is a good step forward from c on my computer.

Thanks for your Puplet,

David S.

gposil · Posted: Fri 31 Jul 2009, 02:22 Post subject:

Thanks David and MinHundHettePerro,

great feedback...the kernel is still a slight problem(flash by module errors) ... but i've raised the prob with Barry and i'm going to do a complete 2.6.27 kernel rebuild for 476e, which should address a multitude of sins...

In my own testing, on a full install of 476d, i've got apt and synaptic running beautifully...i've just got to do some scripting to get apt to recognize the base installed packages and then the sky will be the limit for this pup...

BTW...i've installed a number of deb packages now and can report that, in principle there is no problem...just the recognition of the base install.(i.e the dependencies that are already installed).

I hope that ttuuxxx will get some time soon to contribute his considerable knowledge. The dpup experiment is IMHO a worthwhile extension to the future of Puppy in so many ways...'A Stable Rock Solid Base' that Debian always has been.

Thanks for all the continued testing, we will get it right.

Cheers
Guy

Béèm · Posted: Fri 31 Jul 2009, 09:59 Post subject:

gposil · Posted: Fri 31 Jul 2009, 10:03 Post subject:

You're right I think Béèm... Very Happy

Thank You

gyro · Posted: Sat 01 Aug 2009, 11:58 Post subject: can't set locale

gposil,

Did frugal install of 476d.

When I try to change the locale, all I get is a text screen about gtkdialog.

gyro

gposil · Posted: Sat 01 Aug 2009, 18:46 Post subject:

Thanks gyro,

another quirk, 476d chooselocale script is incorrect, I will adjust and post soon...

Thank you

James C · Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4742 Location: Kentucky

Running 476d live with a usb save file.I've already installed FF 3.5 and Opera 10 and both are working fine.

4.76d seems to be really stable and quick.Very impressive.

Trying to install Debian packages with the package manager is a bit of an adventure though.Earlier today I successfully installed 1 out of 5 packages, and had to do some tweaking to get that one working.

Some packages install but simply won't work, one installed (according to the PPM) but refused to be found anywhere w/ pfind.

Did get Streamtuner installed, had to find a couple of missing libs and it would launch.However, Streamtuner defaults to XMMS, so try to install that....no joy. Then changed the Streamtuner default to BMP and it works.

I've built my own Spup, Upup and Dpup and the biggest problem seems to be in the package management area.Hopefully someone can get that figured out.

Other than that little problem, Dpup 476d is stable, light and fast....Great job.

gposil · Posted: Sat 01 Aug 2009, 19:24 Post subject:

gyro,

here's that updated chooselocale script.

gposil · Posted: Sat 01 Aug 2009, 19:30 Post subject:

Thanks James C,

Yes the Pet Package Manager is still a problem with deb packages, on my testing version of 476e i've got apt and synaptic running and that fixes the debs very nicely...still have to fix the baseline installed files in the apt cache before i'll release 476e...hopefully not far away.

The side benefit of apt is that you can install the gnome desktop without a problem...too big yet for std release though...but i'm working on it.

Thank you for the feedback it helps immensely... Very Happy

Cheers

ttuuxxx · Posted: Sat 01 Aug 2009, 20:06 Post subject:

Funny Gposil I've always figured of taking dpup and building more like a regular version of puppy, Build a repo for the package manager and get rid of the debian packages from package manager, sure its nice to have, but it does add a lot of extra weight to packages and increases the overall size of most packages, even after you strip the locales,docs,man,compiling extras etc. Large linux distros use a full range of libs linked with tons of deps. Probably the better way is recompiling a lot of the default libs and removing a lot of the extra deps. would shrink the oversize distro by a lot. hhmmm probably a good start would be compared usr/lib in dpup to usr/lib 4.0 and notice the extra system libs. Then makes a list of them and ldd each and every lib in dpup for the extra libs, once found recompile those. Man that could be a big task, lol as long as gcc isn't effected, it shouldn't be that big. recompiling gcc is a pain.
ttuuxxx

gposil · Posted: Sat 01 Aug 2009, 20:18 Post subject:

Hi ttuuxxx,

Once dpup is stable enough with the kernel right, I was going to set about doing most of what you said....bring it back down to real Puppy size. I kind of like the idea of keeping the debian repos though, simply for the vast range of software available....my idea, was to have some sort of hybrid Puppy Package Manager with apt built onto it...just a thought...

runtt21 · Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Posts: 1580 Location: BigD Texas

". I kind of like the idea of keeping the debian repos though, simply for the vast range of software available" I vote for this too !!!!