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Has anyone dual booted Puppy + Ubuntu with GRUB2?
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rjbrewer


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PostPosted: Fri 27 Nov 2009, 22:24    Post_subject:  

mikeb wrote:
I thought the definition of a troll was someone or several people who went around winding up individuals with personal remarks.


I was born under a bridge in San Fransisco; am I not a troll?

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Nov 2009, 22:41    Post_subject:  

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I was born under a bridge in San Fransisco; am I not a troll?

rofl......now who's been trip trapping over your bridge?

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Nov 2009, 22:49    Post_subject:  

Just a little fib I was told as a child;
not too far off though; Mare Island Naval Hospital.

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Nov 2009, 23:03    Post_subject:  

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Naval Hospital

now that sounds like a good place to have babies Smile

mike

actually I think this topic just got dumped under the same bridge
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Nov 2009, 23:16    Post_subject:  

The island got decommissioned, nothing under the bridges now
but Grubs!

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Nov 2009, 23:31    Post_subject:  

Better than lilos......they get punctured

favorite saying...
'They're not depressed, they're English'

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Nov 2009, 23:40    Post_subject:  

"Close your eyes, grit your teeth, and think of England".
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Nov 2009, 00:05    Post_subject:  

So puppy 4.31 has ext4 support? Do you know if gparted can be used to shrink the partition and generate a new one of ext3 so puppy 4.21 could be installed? Its just I have a friend with a 9.10 install Eee and she would like to try Pupeee on it to try. To do it Im going to have to borrow an external CD and I would rather not bother if it cant be done.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Nov 2009, 00:21    Post_subject:  

I've shrunk partitions a number of times using gparted in 4.1.2.

Haven't tried 4.3.1 gparted though, it creates partitions with
256 inodes, which can cause problems trying to boot earlier
puppies unless grub from 4.3.1 is also installed to mbr.

I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Nov 2009, 02:50    Post_subject:  

Don't have a clue how this will apply to 9.10, but this is what I found.

Did a full install of 4.3.1 to an ext.4 partition. 2gb
Rebooted the 4.3.1 cd and shrunk the partition in half. 1gb
(4.3.1 partitions can not be worked on with earlier puppy cds')
Booted 4.2.1 cd, created ext.3 partition on unallocated half, and
did full install of 4.2.1
They both work fine.
The grub on the mbr is from 4.3.1 and boots both os.
An earlier grub will not boot 4.3.1 in this case.

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Nov 2009, 08:21    Post_subject:  

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The grub on the mbr is from 4.3.1 and boots both os.
An earlier grub will not boot 4.3.1 in this case.

If grub4dos is used then will boot both (latest version) but retain the legacy menu.lst syntax if that makes life easier)

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Nov 2009, 10:09    Post_subject:  

Thanks guys, I will burn a 4.31 cd and test on ubuntu this weekend Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Nov 2009, 20:31    Post_subject:  

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If grub4dos is used then will boot both (latest version) but retain the legacy menu.lst syntax if that makes life easier)

Just to confirm grub-0.97 (legacy) uses the same menu.lst syntax whether using the grub in the older puppys eg 412 and 420 or the more up to date version used in 431.
It's Grub2 where it's all change.
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec 2009, 12:34    Post_subject:  

Greetings,
My frugal boots fine with grub2 but I find that this thread has turned into a forum on ubuntu and grub2 rather than how to enter the boot code. Seems to me that if you don't like Ubuntu 9.10 or Grub 2 then you can put Grub1 on a pendrive and boot your frugals from the pendrive.
For myself Puppy was very useful to me in that it demonstrated that Linux was usable. Ubuntu proved to me that Linux could be "wonderful". After three years of messing with this linux stuff I have finally put together a Linux Distro that has everything that I had in WindowsXP and more, with better performance and stability. So I finally deleted my XP partition and reinstalled as a second partition with Ext3. I was able to do this with Ubuntu 9.10. Working in the terminal is no problem for me. It takes me back to the old MS Dos days. It isn't a matter of whether someone wants to work under the hood. It is a matter of, can you make the Distro functional for millions of school kids all over the planet and also meet the needs of business that need to take care of their customers, not play at the command line. Ubuntu does this! I love Puppy and understand it's original simple objective but sooner or later it will have to grow up.

This works ok for me. But not perfect! If I can get it better I will keep you posted.

menuentry "Puppy Linux Fatdog SDA2"{

set root=(hd0,2)
linux /FatdogFrugal/vmlinuz psubdir=FatdogFrugal
initrd /FatdogFrugal/initrd.gz
}
menuentry "Puppy Linux 431 SDA2"{

set root=(hd0,2)
linux /puppy431/vmlinuz psubdir=puppy431
initrd /puppy431/initrd.gz
}
EOF


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec 2009, 14:23    Post_subject:  

rjbrewer wrote:
I've shrunk partitions a number of times using gparted in 4.1.2.

Haven't tried 4.3.1 gparted though, it creates partitions with
256 inodes, which can cause problems trying to boot earlier
puppies unless grub from 4.3.1 is also installed to mbr.

I'll give it a shot and see what happens.
I am always afraid that files are fragmented and that shrinking a partition could lead to loss of data.
Am I too afraid?

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