Has anyone dual booted Puppy + Ubuntu with GRUB2?

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#76 Post by rjbrewer »

mikeb wrote:I thought the definition of a troll was someone or several people who went around winding up individuals with personal remarks.
I was born under a bridge in San Fransisco; am I not a troll?

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#77 Post by mikeb »

I was born under a bridge in San Fransisco; am I not a troll?
rofl......now who's been trip trapping over your bridge?

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#78 Post by rjbrewer »

Just a little fib I was told as a child;
not too far off though; Mare Island Naval Hospital.

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#79 Post by mikeb »

Naval Hospital
now that sounds like a good place to have babies :)

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actually I think this topic just got dumped under the same bridge

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#80 Post by rjbrewer »

The island got decommissioned, nothing under the bridges now
but Grubs!

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Better than lilos......they get punctured

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#82 Post by rjbrewer »

"Close your eyes, grit your teeth, and think of England".

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#83 Post by ecomoney »

So puppy 4.31 has ext4 support? Do you know if gparted can be used to shrink the partition and generate a new one of ext3 so puppy 4.21 could be installed? Its just I have a friend with a 9.10 install Eee and she would like to try Pupeee on it to try. To do it Im going to have to borrow an external CD and I would rather not bother if it cant be done.
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#84 Post by rjbrewer »

I've shrunk partitions a number of times using gparted in 4.1.2.

Haven't tried 4.3.1 gparted though, it creates partitions with
256 inodes, which can cause problems trying to boot earlier
puppies unless grub from 4.3.1 is also installed to mbr.

I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

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#85 Post by rjbrewer »

Don't have a clue how this will apply to 9.10, but this is what I found.

Did a full install of 4.3.1 to an ext.4 partition. 2gb
Rebooted the 4.3.1 cd and shrunk the partition in half. 1gb
(4.3.1 partitions can not be worked on with earlier puppy cds')
Booted 4.2.1 cd, created ext.3 partition on unallocated half, and
did full install of 4.2.1
They both work fine.
The grub on the mbr is from 4.3.1 and boots both os.
An earlier grub will not boot 4.3.1 in this case.

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#86 Post by mikeb »

The grub on the mbr is from 4.3.1 and boots both os.
An earlier grub will not boot 4.3.1 in this case.
If grub4dos is used then will boot both (latest version) but retain the legacy menu.lst syntax if that makes life easier)

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#87 Post by ecomoney »

Thanks guys, I will burn a 4.31 cd and test on ubuntu this weekend :D
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#88 Post by davesurrey »

If grub4dos is used then will boot both (latest version) but retain the legacy menu.lst syntax if that makes life easier)
Just to confirm grub-0.97 (legacy) uses the same menu.lst syntax whether using the grub in the older puppys eg 412 and 420 or the more up to date version used in 431.
It's Grub2 where it's all change.
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#89 Post by tlcstat »

Greetings,
My frugal boots fine with grub2 but I find that this thread has turned into a forum on ubuntu and grub2 rather than how to enter the boot code. Seems to me that if you don't like Ubuntu 9.10 or Grub 2 then you can put Grub1 on a pendrive and boot your frugals from the pendrive.
For myself Puppy was very useful to me in that it demonstrated that Linux was usable. Ubuntu proved to me that Linux could be "wonderful". After three years of messing with this linux stuff I have finally put together a Linux Distro that has everything that I had in WindowsXP and more, with better performance and stability. So I finally deleted my XP partition and reinstalled as a second partition with Ext3. I was able to do this with Ubuntu 9.10. Working in the terminal is no problem for me. It takes me back to the old MS Dos days. It isn't a matter of whether someone wants to work under the hood. It is a matter of, can you make the Distro functional for millions of school kids all over the planet and also meet the needs of business that need to take care of their customers, not play at the command line. Ubuntu does this! I love Puppy and understand it's original simple objective but sooner or later it will have to grow up.

This works ok for me. But not perfect! If I can get it better I will keep you posted.

menuentry "Puppy Linux Fatdog SDA2"{

set root=(hd0,2)
linux /FatdogFrugal/vmlinuz psubdir=FatdogFrugal
initrd /FatdogFrugal/initrd.gz
}
menuentry "Puppy Linux 431 SDA2"{

set root=(hd0,2)
linux /puppy431/vmlinuz psubdir=puppy431
initrd /puppy431/initrd.gz
}
EOF


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#90 Post by Béèm »

rjbrewer wrote:I've shrunk partitions a number of times using gparted in 4.1.2.

Haven't tried 4.3.1 gparted though, it creates partitions with
256 inodes, which can cause problems trying to boot earlier
puppies unless grub from 4.3.1 is also installed to mbr.

I'll give it a shot and see what happens.
I am always afraid that files are fragmented and that shrinking a partition could lead to loss of data.
Am I too afraid?
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#91 Post by DaveS »

Béèm wrote:
rjbrewer wrote:I've shrunk partitions a number of times using gparted in 4.1.2.

Haven't tried 4.3.1 gparted though, it creates partitions with
256 inodes, which can cause problems trying to boot earlier
puppies unless grub from 4.3.1 is also installed to mbr.

I'll give it a shot and see what happens.
I am always afraid that files are fragmented and that shrinking a partition could lead to loss of data.
Am I too afraid?
I never had a problem that way Beem.
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Grub 2 This works!

#92 Post by tlcstat »

Greetings,
This is working perfect for me.

menuentry "Puppy Linux Fatdog SDA2"{
set root=(hd0,2)
linux /FatdogFrugal/vmlinuz pmedia=satahd psubdir=FatdogFrugal
initrd /FatdogFrugal/initrd.gz
}
menuentry "Puppy Linux 431 SDA2"{
set root=(hd0,2)
linux /puppy431/vmlinuz pmedia=satahd psubdir=puppy431
initrd /puppy431/initrd.gz
}
EOF

Booting with Grub2 on an Ubuntu 9.10 system.
I have both frugal installs on a separate 5Gig EXT2 partition created with the Puppy 431 CD.
Each directory has a blank text file named "SATAHD".
If you have a IDE drive you may need to rename this to "IDEHD".
Note that the psubdir doesn't have the root indicator "/".
Also, I was getting poor boot performance until I deleted my save file and started over with a new save file. With the new save file there are no boot irregularities {period!].
Have fun.
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Ubuntu 9.10 Grub 2 Update

#93 Post by tlcstat »

Greetings,
My Ubuntu 9.10 Update just [yesterday] came up with a Grub2 patch that allows the option for scripting in grub.conf. It is an update option. In other words you can install the update to revert to scripting or keep the new grub2 format. Either way the update-grub will apply. I choose to use the new format to put Puppy in the 40_custom file. Life goes on so might as well learn the new format. I'm a new Linux user anyway so no big deal. Just as a side note, I have deleted all of my M$ partitions, so I am now 100% Ext2,3,4. I found out that "Avast has a Linux version and my Serial works for both versions, so I installed Avast in my Ubuntu and now I don't know what to do with it! If I could move it from the virtual to the material I would use it for a door stop.
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#95 Post by nooby »

Within a few days? we get Ubuntu 10.04 with Grub2 coming and a lot of us want to dualboot ubuntu and puppy and most likely Linux Mint 9 that also will have grub2?

Do easy to follow instructions would be cool to have.

We seems to have to learn to do the UUID thing too

By accident I happen to find out how one did it and now I have already forgotten about it again.

I never managed to do the updating of grub. I had to cheat by manually forcing the config to accept a frugal Puppy and then keep a back up of how one does it in case next automatic update erase or delete my manual cheat code entry.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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