Puppy 4.4 CE - Phase 1: pet tests
- technosaurus
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RE: pet-be gone and ldconfig -background info FYI when you compile a program, and use new2dir to remove the bloat, the script uses installwatch, sed, grep etc... to copy files to the appropriate directories main, DEV, DOC and NLS one of the strings the script looks for is "config" (assuming that the developer would setup the package before distribuition and it would not be neeeded) Also when a pet is created in this way, you should get a package_name.files that lists all of the files. These files could be used in Pet-be-gone. We could even keep them in a small repository to save space.
This brings up another point. It would be nice if .pet posts also had the CFLAGs, CXXFLAGs, LDFLAGs and ./configure settings used (where applicable) and package database entry... otherwise I will probably end up recompiling it. I will probably do the same thing if the packages aren't split into DEV, DOC and NLS as well. This is mainly a quality control issue and a quick pet for testing is still fine for submission, but if you spend hours tweaking the perfect combo of FLAGs and hand editing the makefiles or something please let me know. I just don't want to end up having a devx docx or nls sfs that is missing stuff, packages that are missing dependency lists or bloated/broken packages Publishing the flags and setting will allow others to reproduce the package if a new version comes out and you are busy. I will try to address most of these with Pcompile as it progresses, but if all of this sounds like a foreign language to you, don't be afraid to post a pet, suggestions or feedback.
This brings up another point. It would be nice if .pet posts also had the CFLAGs, CXXFLAGs, LDFLAGs and ./configure settings used (where applicable) and package database entry... otherwise I will probably end up recompiling it. I will probably do the same thing if the packages aren't split into DEV, DOC and NLS as well. This is mainly a quality control issue and a quick pet for testing is still fine for submission, but if you spend hours tweaking the perfect combo of FLAGs and hand editing the makefiles or something please let me know. I just don't want to end up having a devx docx or nls sfs that is missing stuff, packages that are missing dependency lists or bloated/broken packages Publishing the flags and setting will allow others to reproduce the package if a new version comes out and you are busy. I will try to address most of these with Pcompile as it progresses, but if all of this sounds like a foreign language to you, don't be afraid to post a pet, suggestions or feedback.
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].
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That could be a good job for youesmourguit wrote:Bonjour à tous,
What about localizing scripts like xorgwizard, chooselocale etc.?
Cordialement
If you started with French, maybe others could follow your lead after and use your examples.
ttuuxxx
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O common, not again. How much longer can Puppy be blind to the real world? Please have a look at how the bigger Linux distros are handling localization. There have been truly heroic Puppy-translators, like MU, esmourguit, magerlab, hacao and many others, but just how long can a human being continue that kind of endless work?ttuuxxx wrote:That could be a good job for youesmourguit wrote:Bonjour à tous,
What about localizing scripts like xorgwizard, chooselocale etc.?
Cordialement
If you started with French, maybe others could follow your lead after and use your examples.
ttuuxxx
What's needed, yes I said it before, is a standardized, unified, teamwork-enabling localization system.
To return to Technosaurus's topic, I was very pleased to see this as the first point on his wishlist:
Yes, dynamic sfs mounting, a dream come true. I do not understand what the "symlink style" means, but if it works as well as choicepup, I'm a happy end-userOn the fly sfs mounting: Choicepup style or symlink style
Thanks to all of you great guys!
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I support Choicepup's point of using a small core with additional sfs of the users choice.
Modular is very good and long overdue.
Loop or union is of no matter to me but whatever works for new users...at least, just look at this for a very interesting and may I add a cool way to build a small fast and full featured fork/distro..Eric
Modular is very good and long overdue.
Loop or union is of no matter to me but whatever works for new users...at least, just look at this for a very interesting and may I add a cool way to build a small fast and full featured fork/distro..Eric
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to add, like jrb has done with his naming of the "ch" in front of his sfs files...
If sfs packages are built with a corresponding version number to a main core version number the package manager will be able to tell what package goes to the proper version of the modular core by default from any repo.
If it's not already built I would think there are enough coders that can make it a reality and work for us dumb guys...just a thought...Eric
If sfs packages are built with a corresponding version number to a main core version number the package manager will be able to tell what package goes to the proper version of the modular core by default from any repo.
If it's not already built I would think there are enough coders that can make it a reality and work for us dumb guys...just a thought...Eric
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sfs mounting
Some discussion about sfs mounting here. Rexterd has been rejoicing about sfs mounting on the fly with aufs.
Puppy user since Oct 2004. Want FreeOffice? [url=http://puppylinux.info/topic/freeoffice-2012-sfs]Get the sfs (English only)[/url].
- technosaurus
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I compiled vim and will be uploading it soon.
theses are the standard CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS that have been working for the majority of packages
-Os -combine -fbranch-target-load-optimize2 -fgcse-lm -fgcse-sm \
-fgcse-las -fgcse-after-reload -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections \
-pipe -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -fomit-frame-pointer \
-fmerge-all-constants -fmodulo-sched -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 \
-march=i386 -mtune=i686
and LDFLAGS
-Wl,-O1,-relax,--gc-sections,--sort-common,--no-keep-memory,--as-needed,-s
(--as-needed doesn't always work but it can significantly improve startup times)
theses are the standard CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS that have been working for the majority of packages
-Os -combine -fbranch-target-load-optimize2 -fgcse-lm -fgcse-sm \
-fgcse-las -fgcse-after-reload -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections \
-pipe -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -fomit-frame-pointer \
-fmerge-all-constants -fmodulo-sched -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 \
-march=i386 -mtune=i686
and LDFLAGS
-Wl,-O1,-relax,--gc-sections,--sort-common,--no-keep-memory,--as-needed,-s
(--as-needed doesn't always work but it can significantly improve startup times)
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].
- technosaurus
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As long as we are rewriting init...
zdrv.sfs as standard (does anyone know why Barry didn't use it?)
additionally load sfs files from same dir as the pupXXX
browser.sfs if found
pluspack.sfs if found
userdefined.sfs if found
also eliminate the crazy amount of time it takes to "search for puppy files"- only look in the the the dir specified in menu.lst entry by phome= which can be set automatically when you make your save file
add something like this to the save file script
such that if grub was like this
zdrv.sfs as standard (does anyone know why Barry didn't use it?)
additionally load sfs files from same dir as the pupXXX
browser.sfs if found
pluspack.sfs if found
userdefined.sfs if found
also eliminate the crazy amount of time it takes to "search for puppy files"- only look in the the the dir specified in menu.lst entry by phome= which can be set automatically when you make your save file
add something like this to the save file script
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sed -i 's/\n#phome/ phome=$HOMEDIR /' /mnt/home/boot/grub/menu.lst
- <puppy's menu.lst entry here>
#phome
- <puppy's menu.lst entry here> phome=sdaX/mypuppyhome
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Sorry technosaurus, I'm kind of a linux noob.
I can find my way around fine and do basic stuff, but can you maybe post an example of what this modified grub file would look like?
I'd love to reduce the amount of time puppy takes trying to find it's self on this old computer.
Thanks,
Sonsum.
*EDIT: Oh, and I tested the abiword-2.7.9-i486.pet package on the base 4.3 install. It installed lightning fast (almost too fast?) but abiword still works. Oddly, the about abiword section now doesn't list a version number.
Is there a PET-Be-Gone for 4.3 yet? Cause I think you may need to uninstall the original Abiword first...
I can find my way around fine and do basic stuff, but can you maybe post an example of what this modified grub file would look like?
I'd love to reduce the amount of time puppy takes trying to find it's self on this old computer.
Thanks,
Sonsum.
*EDIT: Oh, and I tested the abiword-2.7.9-i486.pet package on the base 4.3 install. It installed lightning fast (almost too fast?) but abiword still works. Oddly, the about abiword section now doesn't list a version number.
Is there a PET-Be-Gone for 4.3 yet? Cause I think you may need to uninstall the original Abiword first...
- technosaurus
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It is more likely that I got carried away with cutting abiword down to try and fit it on the forum - you shouldn't need to uninstall the original (2.7 has its own directories and the /usr/bin/abiword will overwrite the old one)
I have been playing with using xz compression in petget - had to recompile a later version of tar (bonus - it's smaller too). I am going to upload a tarball of the files I changed so someone can do an idiot check on me. This includes the scripts that make and convert pets - the new format will be .pxt
xz should reduce some bandwidth and server space requirements and allow for quicker downloads - install speed is basically unchanged
I have been playing with using xz compression in petget - had to recompile a later version of tar (bonus - it's smaller too). I am going to upload a tarball of the files I changed so someone can do an idiot check on me. This includes the scripts that make and convert pets - the new format will be .pxt
xz should reduce some bandwidth and server space requirements and allow for quicker downloads - install speed is basically unchanged
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here is my grub entry
most of the parameters already exist - we just have to use them
SLAX has an example of an init that can load multiple different user defined sfs (just a different extension) & here is the puppy thread for init hacks
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40958
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title pup43 frugal
rootnoverify (hd0,4)
kernel /pup43/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=pup43
initrd /pup43/initrd.gz
SLAX has an example of an init that can load multiple different user defined sfs (just a different extension) & here is the puppy thread for init hacks
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40958
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].
Okay, thanks. Got my menu.lst up to snufftechnosaurus wrote:here is my grub entry
most of the parameters already exist - we just have to use themCode: Select all
title pup43 frugal rootnoverify (hd0,4) kernel /pup43/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=pup43 initrd /pup43/initrd.gz
SLAX has an example of an init that can load multiple different user defined sfs (just a different extension) & here is the puppy thread for init hacks
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40958
If there's anything simple you'd like me to test, feel free to ask, I'd love to help in any way possible!
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for an easy/fun thing to test - the games on the Puppy Web Desktop need to be categorized
More here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34921
More here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34921
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].
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Bonjour à tous,
Thank you Bert for your support.
I hope that other translators will want to join to form a cohesive team to work with coders (whether this cooperation is of course desired).
Cordialement
Bert wrote:ttuuxxx wrote:That could be a good job for youesmourguit wrote:What about localizing scripts like xorgwizard, chooselocale etc.?
If you started with French, maybe others could follow your lead after and use your examples.
ttuuxxx
What's needed, yes I said it before, is a standardized, unified, teamwork-enabling localization system.
Thank you Bert for your support.
I hope that other translators will want to join to form a cohesive team to work with coders (whether this cooperation is of course desired).
Cordialement
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Our growing list of support (please add yourself) http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy44Team
Can one of our team add the phase 1 objectives here:
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy44
thank you
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Hi lobster, umm your displaying peoples emails, ummmmm not a good idea with spam, most spam bots look for things like that. the best way is just make a jpg image in mtpaint/gimp and do all the text on the image and save it as jpg, that way bots can't read what images say.Lobster wrote:
Our growing list of support (please add yourself) http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy44Team
Can one of our team add the phase 1 objectives here:
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy44
thank you
ttuuxxx
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http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
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Thanks Ttuuxxx
Just added this - if someone wants to add graphic protection
for their email please do
mine can stay in a convenient format
Just added this - if someone wants to add graphic protection
for their email please do
mine can stay in a convenient format
Using HTML Entities
One trick is to replace the "@" symbol with the html character entity for it. Here are two email addresses: can you tell the difference?
* jqpublic@example.com
* jqpublic@example.com
Most people cannot, without looking at the source code. Here's what they really look like:
jqpublic@example.com
jqpublic@example.com
The "@" is another way of writing the "at" character - the "at" in an email address. This may fool some spambots, however, it is very easy for a spambot to "learn" this trick, so use it sparingly.