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raffy

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 02:56    Post subject: howto manual  

I guess whatever URL is given for the user at first boot should contain complete and helpful information for beginners. (Ideally, it will be online and then downloaded to the ISO) before the final ISO is built.

The "manual" template am using for now is at http://puppylinux.org/main/index.php?file=Manual-English.htm
It is based on the draft manuals at the puppylinux.org/wiki site.

I can place parts of this manual in the wiki so that it can be updated for 4.4.

As to SFSDIRECTORY: Am in favor of the ability to define Puppy's default file location, as in having an ext2 partition that would be used by Puppy as /mnt/home. What we now have in /root should be there.

Saying "go to /home" and then the user actually sees "/root" does not really help the user. Why don't we try to hide /root and make it visible as "/home"? If that is difficult, at least use /root until that time when /mnt/home has been created (ie, Puppy has been installed to an ext2 partition). The least that we can have in /home in addition to the sfs files are /MyFiles and /Programs. Perhaps all the Puppy sfs files shall go inside /Programs?

Using /mnt/home in Windows partition may still help, but there should be a lot of warnings about doing it. Anyway, it should be a simple affair to install all of Puppy in a USB flash drive. We can use an installer script that assumes Puppy can do anything on the flash drive - a 1 GB flash drive is inexpensive anyway. Umm, perhaps include a small VFAT there that has a Linux file reader for Windows (plus some free VFAT space), so that the user can still read his files from the drive and put some Windows files there, temporarily at least.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 08:06    Post subject:  

Honestly I would prefer to eliminate the X11 directories entirely and have them in /usr (with symlinks back to /usr for backward compatibility) I am still debating on whether or not to try xorg 7.5.

Raffy- can you clarify that a bit?

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raffy

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 09:36    Post subject: Programs  

Yes, it's a bit difficult to discuss "nix file system, as it is not too flexible. So when we talk about /Programs, we may actually be looking at just symlinks.

But let me describe my experience with Opera and Skype. I know firsthand that all it takes to install these programs is decompress the files to a folder and run the executable. Using the appdir approach in Rox, the whole directory can actually be made to look like one executable file.

So with the (small) core Puppy filesystem in RAM, the user just goes looking for large applications (programs) in /mnt/home/Programs, sees Opera[appdir] and Skype[appdir] and clicks on one of them. But we can also have there OpenOffice[appdir], VLC[appdir] etc. All it takes is for the user to download the application package and click, and (with the package installer script) it is placed in /mnt/home/Programs. Smile

Now, I don't know if appdir will work in VFAT, so I recommend that ext2 filesystem be used. But even if appdir is not used, I guess we should now get the habit of using *nix filesystem in every opportunity. Let us start always with the flash drive and do what we want with it - we may assume a 1 GB drive.

Some files may fall out of the limited RAM, so the user may still see program files being saved in /mnt/home, which we may try to store in /Libs (symlinked to the appropriate *nix folder in RAM).

The package download/install script should be able to do this, copy the executables to /Programs and other shared files to /Libs. Use of symlinks will handle the rest.

If the user wants to use the Flash drive in Windows, then we will be obliged to provide a GPL Linux reader in the flash drive (for reading files previously stored in /mnt/home/MyFiles), as well as a small VFAT work space, say 25% of the drive space. The (small) puppy-440.sfs can still be placed in the VFAT drive - anyway, this is being copied to RAM at boot time.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 20:09    Post subject:  

+1 for trying / upgrading to Xorg 7.5 and Xserver 1.7.1
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 20:12    Post subject:  

Proudog wrote:

RoxFiler is to old the actual version is 2.10, i think that is need upgrade.


I'd love to see a .PET package of the latest version Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Oct 2009, 00:53    Post subject:  

panzerpuppy wrote:
Proudog wrote:

RoxFiler is to old the actual version is 2.10, i think that is need upgrade.


I'd love to see a .PET package of the latest version Smile

I made one up but forget where the links are in this forum. I know I made one for 4 series and upup/dpup. hmmm
it takes a bit of work to get rox working on puppy.
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Oct 2009, 01:16    Post subject:  

This simple script idea from MU could be the default for our browser
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=353238#353238

Those who have offered to help on the non programming side
Please join and update the wiki page
Detailed Objectives need updating - eh - what are they? Smile
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy44

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panzerpuppy

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Oct 2009, 17:34    Post subject:  

SeaMonkey 2.0 RC2 is out.

The FINAL version of SeaMonkey 2.0 will be released in a few days (launch date: 27 Oct 2009)
That means no more support for SeaMonkey 1.1.x on Linux.
Extension makers are forcing Linux users to stop using the 1.1.x series and upgrade to 2.0.

What browser is Puppy 4.4 CE going to use? SeaMonkey 2.0 or Opera 10.10?

Opera 10.10 is a much better browser than Opera 10.00.
10.00 was very good, but 10.10 is what 10.00 should have been when it was released : Tons of bugfixes, Opera Unite, much better compatibility with websites, further improvements to the default UI, better skin, improved performance and much more.
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Oct 2009, 18:01    Post subject:  

Hi Lobster,

The script idea for secure navigation is a good one, but it should be an option and not the default navigation.

If you run mozilla with a X user, then you could only download information to that users directory. You couldn´t use any other partition disk without assigning the right permissions first, because root user in Puppy mount those partitions, a standard user must know how to do those tasks.

I think a shortcut desktop or link should be added for secure browse, when users click this link a informational page should be loaded first inside the browser, indicating the limitations and download restrictions in this mode.

It´s a great idea but in my opinion we should polish it a little Smile

Greetings,

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Oct 2009, 01:07    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
xpad-4.0-i486|xpad|4.0-i486||Desktop|100K|pet_packages-4|xpad-4.0-i486.pet||Jot down notes for later|puppy|4|official|


The .PET works great on Puppy 4.3.1 , but it doesn't work on the older puppies.

Could you make another .PET package for the older Puppies (4.1.x / 4.2.x) that doesn't require libgio / libselinux ?

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Oct 2009, 04:58    Post subject: re All the Recent Discussion 'bout where's Home...
Subject description: re All the Recent Discussion 'bout where's Home...
 

re All the Recent Discussion 'bout where's Home...
Can We Please incorporate Pizzasgood MultiUser Functionality!
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47409&start=30
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47410
This is the ideal Opportunity to introduce this into the MainStream Dingo,
+1 for trying / upgrading to Xorg 7.5 and Xserver 1.7.1 & Opera
Cheers!
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caleb72

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Oct 2009, 22:34    Post subject:  

I sometimes get a little confused about where I should post certain types of questions so I apologise in advance if this isn't the greatest thread to post in. However, I was looking around for how Puppy organises itself into getting contributions for future releases.

I was reading previously that there was some mention and agreement with the notion of One Task = One Application/Utility. I'm not sure if I fully understand the extent of that philosophy as it applies to distribution development. Ie - is the idea not to have multiple applications in order to perform one application or is the idea to have applications (where possible) to only perform one task - and how broad is the notion of task?

I love Puppy, but one of the things I recently noticed was how desktop configuration elements like JWM aren't really all in one place - and are not necessarily there at all - eg configuring multiple trays without having to do it from scratch with a text file.

I was thinking it would be nice to have a JWM configuration utility that covers all of this config in one application. I see bits and pieces of this idea, but not the idea in full.

For myself I was contemplating developing a tool for my own benefit to try to cover as many aspects of JWM configuration as I can in one central utility which I could then use instead of either multiple tools or direct text configuration. I'm not sure how feasible it is (with my skillset and amount of free time) to do this, but this is what I was thinking about.

Would such an exercise fit or not fit with the notion of one task = one application? And would such an excerise actually align with the goals of putting out a Puppy - whether that's a community edition or a core edition?

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Oct 2009, 02:18    Post subject:  

@caleb72
this code might be of interest - used in dpup
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=293418#293418

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Oct 2009, 03:11    Post subject:  

Thanks for that. Looks like the kind of thing that would call my uber-special jwm configuration utility. I can already see a button for it on the panel. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Oct 2009, 06:11    Post subject: gnumeric  

OK! I'm on it! I actually already messed with updating gnumeric once, and found that it's dependencies were complex enough that I dropped it. But, I think I can have a new static pet within a few days. It may take me a few more to get it stripped down to puppy standards. Wink

Tom
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