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sinc


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Oct 2009, 11:30    Post subject:  

I apologize if this is the wrong 4.4 thread to put this in.

I was just closing some partitions on my hard drive from the pinboard and wanted to keep some mounted and others not, and thought "Man, it would be nice if there were buttons to minimize, maximize, close, AND close-&-unmount, instead of just the first three."

I have NO IDEA (not a computer guy Very Happy ) how doable the idea is but is it possible to have close-and-unmount button along with the other three regulars instead of having to right click to unmount a partition?

thanks for your thoughts.
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panzerpuppy

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Oct 2009, 13:23    Post subject:  

More woof-woof (good) news :

- XServer 1.7.1 was released today Very Happy X.Org 7.5 will see a release later today (or tomorrow).

- Barry has compiled the latest*** version of ROX-Filer (2.9) for Puppy 4.3 (includes ttuuxxx's fixes).

*** @Barry: There's a newer build (2.10) released on 18 Jul 2009 Wink
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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Oct 2009, 14:13    Post subject:  

Rox 2.10 is considered an unstable release, but I don't have a problem testing unstable releases - how else will they ever get stable? Hopefully I can access the 2.9 sources somewhere so that I can do a diff against the original sources and apply them to 2.10 (and send them upstream in case ttuuxxx didn't) Has anyone tracked down the patched sources?

Xorg could take a while to fully compile. By popular request need to remember to include Xinput.... Anything else that is currently missing that people would like to see added? DRI, GLU by default maybe?

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Oct 2009, 15:16    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:

Xorg could take a while to fully compile. By popular request need to remember to include Xinput.... Anything else that is currently missing that people would like to see added? DRI, GLU by default maybe?


Please, don´t forget to add: Latest TightVNC 1.3.10 and Filezilla.

A new request: latest hiawatha version 6.17.1.

P.S: I don´t know about rxvt state, but a multitab rxvt will be good.

Thank you,
clarf
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Oct 2009, 20:31    Post subject:  

I don´t want to bother you. But I think it´s a small request.

I´ll like to see the Psearch Right click feature in Rox.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47990

Thank you again,
clarf
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raffy

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Oct 2009, 23:42    Post subject: appdir  

dio444 wrote:
OK! I'm on it! I actually already messed with updating gnumeric once, and found that it's dependencies were complex enough that I dropped it. But, I think I can have a new static pet within a few days...


That plus caleb's initiative can also mean that we can look forward to one-application-one-folder deployment (along the appdir idea).

It may not be the neatest method for devs, but it is appealing to users.

EDIT: The newer technology for kernel 2.6.30 and up is sfs, see
http://code.google.com/p/sfs-technology/
Quote:
The new sfs technology solves software dependencies and installation problems. It consists of a unique file that can be mounted as a normal file-system with all really needed libraries and files of the specific program. When mounted the sfslauncher will start the application stored into it. The procedure is completely transparent to the end user; Just double click on the "program.sfs" and sfslauncher will do the magic. Starting with version 1.0 we improved the integration: the operating system now knows the "sfs" file type as a native executable file.

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Proudog

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Oct 2009, 23:57    Post subject:  

clarf wrote:



P.S: I don´t know about rxvt state, but a multitab rxvt will be good.




rxvt not support UTF-8, and (I'm not be sure) multi-tab, xterm for my is better choice.
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Oct 2009, 00:00    Post subject: Re: appdir  

raffy wrote:

That plus caleb's initiative can also mean that we can look forward to one-application-one-folder deployment (along the appdir idea).


Whoa!

Maybe I'm guilty of misrepresenting myself here. If I have done so, I'm terribly sorry.

I'm not ruling out contributing to Puppy, but I'm picking a project to help myself learn Genie and GTK+ programming and JWM configuration makes sense to me because I'm not 100% satisfied with Puppy's included tools (no offense at all to the developers of said tools).

I would be ecstatic to have my work become part of a Puppy distribution CE or core and I wouldn't write-off my contribution in the future, but this 4.4CE project is already at .pet testing stage, while I'm still struggling to successfully use the simple GLib XML parser functionality with Genie.

It may also be that my way of conceptualising and designing a solution really just doesn't meet Puppy's ideals. I think when I feel more confident in Genie (because I don't think Python is going to be tremendously useful for these projects), I will submit my particular design philosophies/idiosyncrasies to the relevant release coordinator(s) to see if where I would like to go aligns with where Puppy is actually going. I think Genie developers are going to be useful in a general sense to Puppy's future, but as always it's a case by case basis.

Hopefully my code doesn't ramble as much as I do.

Regards
Caleb
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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Mon 26 Oct 2009, 02:19    Post subject:  

I wanted to have xz capability but xarchiver is too big so I patched xarchive to use xz compression

you will need tar-1.22 or later which is not in 4.3 but it is here:
http://puppylinux.asia/members/T/444/tar-1.22-i486.pet

I can patch it to use lzop and lzma if anyone is interested in those

Edit patched for lzma as well

... to set it up as the default handler for tar.xz or tar.lzma
1. right click on a tar.xz or tar.lzma
2. left click on set run action
3. type pupzip before the "$@"
4. click on "use command"
xarchive-0.2.8-6.pet
Description 
pet

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Filename  xarchive-0.2.8-6.pet 
Filesize  37.14 KB 
Downloaded  427 Time(s) 

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Oct 2009, 03:45    Post subject:  

trying to build a small 7zip program to open 7z archives... only have 7zDec so far

7zDec -e some-archive.7z <-- extract all
7zDec -l some-archive.7z <-- list all

I haven't made a wrapper script for this one since it won't compress
gun.gz
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gz

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lzopack.gz
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p7zip-9.04-i486.pet
Description  Significantly larger but has fully functional 7za command line utility
pet

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7zDec.gz
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gz

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gyro

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Oct 2009, 03:47    Post subject: Playing with sfs on 4.3.1  

Sorry if this in the wrong place.

I've done some playing about with sfs files in Pup-431, and come to some conclusions about future puppies.

What I've found:
1) Being able to mount sfs files above pup-431.sfs in the aufs stack is quite useful,
a) Being able to have a firefox.sfs that "modifies" /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser is good,
b) Generating a patch-431.sfs that can replace any file in the release pup-431.sfs, so I don't need to rebuild pup-431.sfs
(could possibly publish an official patch sfs if this facility were part of the release puppy)
2) Some current sfs files are not suitable to be placed above pup-431.sfs.
e.g. devx_431.sfs contains the real "man" program, which is not very useful when it "covers" the more useful "man" in pup-431.sfs.
3) It is possible to dynamically mount and umount sfs files in 4.3.1.
Maybe I've mucked mine up somehow, but the attached "load_sfs_aufs2-0.1-sfs4.sfs" contains "load-sfs" and "unload-sfs" scripts that seem to work on my frugal install of pup-431.

Suggestions:
1) Persevere with the unionfs concept, it has it's challenges, but it is a powerful concept.
2) Minimise the use of the rw layer to only data that is volatile. This implies that all software should be in sfs files.
This simplifies backup, and backup is required since the rw layer is often not cleanly umounted in puppy.
3) Implement a "patch" mechanism that mounts sfs above pup-xxx.sfs only at boot. This could utilise the current BootManager facility. This one becomes more hidden, least used.
4) Implement a single, new? facility to append software sfs below pup-xxx.sfs both at boot and dynamically. It might relate to PPM. This one becomes the most visible, most used.
5) Extract the decoupling scripts, "/usr/loca/bin/defaultxxxxxxxx" from pup-xxx.sfs and place them in a zdef-xxx.sfs which could then be easily replaced to use different applications.
(Include "/usr/bin/xterm" in this as a decoupler for alternates to rxvt.)

gyro
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Oct 2009, 09:09    Post subject:  

Xorg 7.5 is finally out!
Now is a good time to test this 'puppy' Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Oct 2009, 14:48    Post subject:  

I use fileroller for lzma support in 2.14X. Plus Fileroller is way faster than xarchive, Here try this and tell me how long it takes to open Firefox sources and extract them ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.5.4/source/firefox-3.5.4.source.tar.bz2 lol well over 30Mins, if you use fileroller or xarchiveR, under 2 mins. I include XarchiveR and Fileroller in 2.14x if one doesn't work, good chance on the other will. still together under 1MB so Its worth it.
ttuuxxx

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Oct 2009, 15:12    Post subject: Xorg 7.5, Bring it On!!!
Subject description: Xorg 7.5, Bring it On!!!
 

Xorg 7.5, Bring it On!!!

Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Oct 2009, 20:48    Post subject:  

More good stuff:

SeaMonkey 2.0 FINAL has been released as well Smile

Quote:
New in SeaMonkey 2.0 is RSS/Atom feed support in the Mozilla Mail portion, a modern look-and-feel, tabbed mail support, automated updates, faster JavaScript processing, and HTML5 support.


HTML5 support with </video> tag = AWESOME!
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