Jaunty Puppy Alpha9 feedback

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Jaunty Puppy Alpha9 feedback

#1 Post by BarryK »

Announced on my blog:

http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00768

I have started this forum thread for bug reports and general feedback.

Note that I have put the Smooth Color desktop icons (who created those?) in the live-CD. Along with the squiggly crayon wallpaper (ttuuxx?) it's an interesting combination ...just needs matching JWM and GTK themes!

What's new? well, lots of little things, you would have to scan my blog. The PPM now has the puppy-5 repo, although not much in it yet. Then there's the Xdelta GUI (see Utility menu). And more...
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#2 Post by floborg »

The Isolinux bootup screen could use a font color with better contrast for the boot options line than dark blue. When F2 is pressed, the same line is now white and easier to read.

Very interesting color choice for the desktop wallpaper as well! Otherwise, the JWM, GTK, and icon theme work well together.

As I've commented on your blog previously, it would be nice to have some new boot options to skip past the configuration screens on first boot. Bootup is interrupted 4 times now. pkeys=xx can get you past one of those screens, but there's still 3 more preventing an unattended bootup.
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#3 Post by Béèm »

I really don't have luck with my Medion MD8818 as I still have the black screen with the 3 iso's. I am thinking now, that puppy 5 won't be for me after all.

I got the idea to boot with loglevel=7 and I can compare between the good working alpha 6 and this alpha9 (the picture is kinda blurred)

The good working one in spite of the PCI-Express Device error:

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sr 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
scsi 2:0:1:0: CD-ROM            HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8164B 0U08 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
sr 2:0:1:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1
ata4: port disabled. ignoring.
PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K,PNP0f13:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12
serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
cpuidle: using governor ladder
TCP cubic registered
NET: Registered protocol family 17
Using IPI Shortcut mode
Freeing unused kernel memory: 308k freed
+------ PCI-Express Device Error ------+
Error Severity		: Uncorrected (Non-Fatal)
PCIE Bus Error type	: Transaction Layer
Flow Control Protocol 	: First
Receiver ID		: 0010
VendorID=1106h, DeviceID=a327h, Bus=00h, Device=02h, Function=00h
pcieport-driver 0000:00:02.0: broadcast error_detected message
pcieport-driver 0000:00:02.0: broadcast mmio_enabled message
pcieport-driver 0000:00:02.0: broadcast resume message
pcieport-driver 0000:00:02.0: AER driver successfully recovered
input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0
usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
usbcore: registered new device driver usb
uhci_hcd: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver
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#4 Post by boscobearbank »

it's been a while since I've looked at a upup (or is that an upup?), but at this time I can report the following:

1. Selecting 1680x1050 from the Xorg wizard now actually gives me 1680x1050 rather than 1024x768.

2. gxine crashes trying to play an mp3 (Pmusic is ok):
# gxine JohnnyCash_I_WalkTheLine.mp3
CDROMREADTOCHDR: No medium found
WARN: could not retrieve file info for `image.nrg': No such file or directory
WARN: can't open nrg image file image.nrg for reading
The program 'gxine' received an X Window System error.
This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
(Details: serial 476 error_code 11 request_code 131 minor_code 19)
(Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)

<added upon editing:>
3. Abiword launches properly from urxvt, but not from the desktop icon and not from Menu->Document on the panel.
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#5 Post by tasmod »

Same problem as I've had with previous versions on my favoured PC, it uses a wireless keyboard and it doesn't work at the point of keyboard country entry.

This has not been a problem in the 4 series, it always worked during and after startup.

In the Woof series, am able to type puppy pfix=ram, the rest of startup continues through till after loading in ram. First blue screen appears for keyboard select and I can no longer use keyboard. That's as far as I can go.
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#6 Post by 01micko »

Ok... PC1.. asus a7s8x mobo, athlon 2100=, 768 ram, raedon 9200 w/128 ram

Xorg worked fine with the card and displayed the max monitor res, of 1380x768x24.

Works fine (just testing some basics, network, mount, save) except all mini-icons will not appear, even in the menu button itself. Weird

ok... PC2 IBM Thinkpad R31, Celeron 1066, 512 ram, 8M onboard graphics

Xorg would not work, it usually does in all puppies with 1024x768x24. Used Xvesa with said res.

Looks good but no drive icons. Try to run Pmount and sda1 and sda2 show up in the gui, I will click one and Pmount just vanishes. I tried this in terminal

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#mount /dev/sda1
and get

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mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fsatab or /etc/mtab
Ran "Pmount" in term.

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#pmount
/usr/sbin/pmount: line 291: 8377 Teminated       yaf-splash -font "8x16" -outline 0 -margin 4 -bg orange -text "Puppy Drive Mounter"

Please wait, probing hardware..."
#
and it exited directly without a peep.

So I couldn't try networking because I use ndiswrapper on this machine and the files are in the doze install, I'll copy them over and try it later.:oops:How can I copy it over if I can't do a save? :roll: :lol:

Ooh, shutdown... just restarted X, clicked reboot..same thing.. restarts X, only on PC2

ok.... PC3 Lenovo R61e Celeron 2GHz, 2GB ram, 64M onboard graphics.



Again, (Xorg started fine) no mini-icons at all. Very much the same report as PC1

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#7 Post by Lobster »

new colorful background gives the impression of newness - good plan
Never underestimate the Occams razor cheap trick mentality
Simple works - and it does - very nice.- good to see some fun :)

Must admit I had to change the background after 5 minutes but the initial impression is lively . . .
as are the new theme icons . . .

Must mention that leafpad does not have a menu icon

Good to see Puppy 5 package management up if rather bare
puptv is simplified - xine only - and better for it - the BBC news link needs an update

Combined with the devx.sfs Puppy is an innovative vala/genie development system with c and c++ and the valide and glade interface

It is a mark of the inherent stability of Puppy that I was able to use the previous alpha 8 as my main system for two weeks

Now I am enjoying 4.2.1 and its polish :)

If you use alpha 9 to code - please let us know
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#8 Post by 01micko »

Ahhhh .... narrowing down this Pmount bug, It must be related to Xvesa. I changed to Xvesa on my PC1 (never realise Xvesa doesn't support widescreen :cry: ) and I got exactly the same behaviour with Pmount as my PC2.

Hmmmm... what to do?

Ok, tried "mount" command. I can only mount /dev/fd0... floppy. Nothing else will mount while using Xvesa. I tried my NTFS, ext2, ext3 partitions and sr0(cdrom).

Going back to Xorg now to see if it's broken.

Ok, back in Xorg now, all's well except mini-icons.
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#9 Post by BarryK »

Béèm wrote:I really don't have luck with my Medion MD8818 as I still have the black screen with the 3 iso's. I am thinking now, that puppy 5 won't be for me after all.
Hmmm. I notice that they are still updating the 2.6.27.x kernel. It is now at 2.6.27.24. I'm thinking I might compile that also, build Puppy with it and upload for comparison testing.
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#10 Post by Béèm »

BarryK wrote:
Béèm wrote:I really don't have luck with my Medion MD8818 as I still have the black screen with the 3 iso's. I am thinking now, that puppy 5 won't be for me after all.
Hmmm. I notice that they are still updating the 2.6.27.x kernel. It is now at 2.6.27.24. I'm thinking I might compile that also, build Puppy with it and upload for comparison testing.
Kernel 2.6.29.rc7 and 2.6.29.1 worked perfectly.
So something has changed in the compile options starting with 2.6.29.2, I suppose.
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#11 Post by tasmod »

I was trying to solve my wireless keyboard issue and think I have come across a clue.

In /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit the routine for usb mouse detection has been commented out by Barry as he wishes to drop this.

Now I'm not sure about this, but this is the point at which the usb 'wireless dongle' is recognised. I believe the dongle emulates mouse and keyboard input via usb.

So without investigation I'm assuming this is the point at which I lose keyboard (I don't use the wireless mouse part).

I will try and study this further.
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#12 Post by tronkel »

When the user clicks on the localisation menu item, an XML data screen appears instead of the selection dialogue. I remember this problem from past versions.

The default language in Osmo is set to a language other than English and seems not to be configurable as far as I can see.

Ext4 mounting now works fine.

Request: when searching in the Package Manager dialogue box, it would be nice just to be able to hit the enter key instead of having to click on "GO".

Nice version and improving all the time and works fine on the ASUS eeepc..

On that subject, I had a play with the latest Moblin 2 Beta netbook distro. It looks great but is only half-finished at the moment. Not many packages available from the Moblin repo. It's based on Fedora.

Puppy Woof blows Moblin out of the water as a netbook distro. Maybe some Puppy bling specialist could pinch its Clutter interface though and port it to Puppy.
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#13 Post by bugman »

i am mad as i was 60% through downloading alpha 8 when i read this

:shock:

clearly a bug

:lol:

[start over]

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#14 Post by 01micko »

bugman wrote:i am mad as i was 60% through downloading alpha 8 when i read this

:shock:

clearly a bug

:lol:

[start over]
Ahhh, but Mr Bugman.. did you download the separate packets? if you did then not a worry... there is a single 19M packet that upgrades alpha 8 to alpha 9... yes, woof is dialup friendly :)
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01micko wrote:Ahhh, but Mr Bugman.. did you download the separate packets? if you did then not a worry... there is a single 19M packet that upgrades alpha 8 to alpha 9... yes, woof is dialup friendly :)
i did not know that

will get the last two packets today, plus the 'bugfix'

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___090719___uP476std (Xorg and Xvesa, slight return)
a series of full-size screenies for the bandwidth-profligate from the wm-collection ..
afterstep 288k, blackbox 123k, openbox 195k, jwm-no-Supup 524k and finally jwm-beta 242k
.. afterstep had a few issues menu-wise, blackbox simply 'just works' (enough so that I modded the Spiff style a bit), the newer openbox does a good job of updating the xdg-menu (finally). Jwm in Xorg reverts to the Supup bg on a fresh session boot from liveCD (in Xvesa it doesn't, likewise no issue with jwm menu/tray/header icons/not depending on 16/24 color depth) .. don't know enough about the drawing engines (qiv is a bit quicker at rendering than xli in jwms, enough so that I used it for a 'preload' so conky gets the bg to render a pseudotrans effect without needing any delay) .. there's something with the timing and PuppyPin in Xorg, qiv flashes the desired bg on a cold boot and then the 'custom' PuppyPin0 gets rewritten to point to Supup's default.jpg (which must be somewhere lower in the layers since I've overwritten it a few times) and a fresh set of rox/home, driveicons and trash arrayed as if for an 800x600 display size .. on my usual 1024x768. Other than that minor jwm display puzzlement at cold boot in Xorg, it all seems to be fairly stable as far as I can tell from my limited use.

I seem to recall also that the 'disappearing' pmount gui issue was addressed at some point but the solution reference if it did get solved eludes me at the moment (somewhere in BK's blog?). Noticed in the pP417 bugs thread that the annoying 'two-step' behavior - left click on a mounted-status driveicon brings up a yaf-dialogue rather than simply opening a Rox window for that drive .. yep, that's annoying for those of us in the habit of rightclick,etc to unmount.

___090531___upup-476std with Xorg (minor addition)
Jwm 'no icons' issue - reducing the color depth from 24 to 16 (as per floborg's page 4 post) in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, Section "Screen" is a viable workaround. Unfortunately this will also make finer gradients 'blocky' so it's kind of a compromise.

AfterStep wm is fine with all icons in 24 depth, so I'm thinking it has to do with what engine Jwm is using to draw with and perhaps how it's set up or interacts?

sidenote on xorgwizard - this utility is not so good for me as a means of tweaking in some instances, it gives higher results than my choices such as display size (it's probably ok as a simple Xorg/Xvesa switch or to navigate to edit xorg.conf while out of X) since it seems to have some difficulty with lower display sizes for me. Reading up a bit on Lobster's page 3 link helps a bit ..

___090527___upup-476 std and IDE(retro)
Made a bunch of notes but it boils down to 476-IDE(retro) simply is more stable for me.

Xorg - was even able to get into (in retro), but too much fiddling for minor gains and some drawbacks - more of the enhanced jwm would be nice but it needs to be compiled in I'd imagine to work proper since older betas failed for me (didn't notice any change with the jwm-456-i386.pet and the earlier beta with translucent option cleared the 'usual' Rox wallpaper and driveicons as well as the jwm window decor, menus and trays .. good thing ctrl+alt+bs worked ;) ). Xorg works but as noted by others the jwm menu-icons all fail (mimes, desktop, context & etc all oki but that's all gtk I believe.. all 'interior' and pinboard stuff). Hmm, I'd say jwm looks to be the culprit (icons in dock section of tray are the *only* 'exception' unless that smallish area is gtk) .. no mainmenu, header or tray icons. Blackbox seemed a bit crisper but it's pretty much icon-free. Didn't get a chance to try with AfterStep (which has its own icons and display methods).

.. full-size screenies for upup-476IDE(retro)-289k and upup-476standard-506k

. . . addenda on .sfs/.2fs click-mounting
upup-476 will successfully click-mount/unmount 'other' upup sfs(s) and .2fs savefile(s), but has an anomaly doing so with 'normal' pup sfs(s). It reports a "fail", but the mount-as-such is still present in /mnt (Rox window).. this may result in issues with removeable drives (optical media and thumbdrives, etc) and/or the driveicons or other parts of pup-event management. Dunno, I was a bit more careful with removing the failed mount-as-such item(s) after I noticed them (it may have even contributed to how upup-476std got bollixed on an optical driveicon/mounter for me).

note - used the xdelta to make the 476std iso from 471, but did it the 'old-fashioned' way (since a rename of how I had to save the renamed-as-downloaded-in-win32 wasn't working in pups) .. the xdelta-created iso md5 matches the published md5 for 476std. Thanks again, BK :)

@bugman - there's a wikipage for xdelta ('old fashioned' way if the new ui's a no-go for ya, I just do the dotpet in whatever pup is handy and follow the fairly simple cl instructions - hth)
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alpha 9 calc - Print

#18 Post by Minnesota »

If you select the print option of Calc - Gnumeric...it really hangs things up...(regular upup-746.iso version)

Second booting I was able to kill gnumeric, and the blank print screen, but first time could not even kill it... it also hangs the machine.. no other icons on the desktop will function.

Right click on desktop not functional, F12 did get me main menu.. but restart x did not solve the problem either... bad hang...

Print in Abiword works fine, print in draw bring up print screen, did not try printer.

Tried to test another system, has wireless keyboard... can not enter a thing... hangs at request for language.

Fancy desktop :) Much more interesting than flat grays...

Greg

Technical question... with systems that have a lot of memory.. is it possible to double buffer the reading of the sfs file to speed loading? Or is it totally a function of the speed of the CD rom or DVD read?

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#19 Post by bugman »

well, alpha 8 worked great, i am one of those that LIKE the flat gray theme

[thanks, barry, for putting montana in the time zone list :D ]

will try to do some weird tasks and such when i have some time, was surprised that there were apps and such, thought it would be more like tcl or arch [because i am NOT paying attention]

the delta upgrade file completely eluded me, it did nothing at all when clicked or run in a terminal, i must be misreading/misunderstanding something? :(

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upup-471 and 476 - xorg fails on Dell 8200

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Booting either upup471 or 476 on my Dell 8200 with Nvidia N11 (Geforce2 MX) video, xorg does not run or runs and stalls. At the point of test in xorgwizard during boot, the screen goes black and keyboard/mouse control is lost. I have to hard power-down. Xvesa works fine. If I then run xorgwizard from the desktop, it likewise fails at the point of "test". Instead of a black screen, a scambled screen apears and all control is lost. I can't see standard out/error in either case.

Xorg in Puppy 4.2.1, 4.2 and 4.1.2 works fine on this Dell.

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