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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Aug 2010, 03:04    Post subject: XOpup -v3  

There is a v3 for the XOpup (check original post above) and a permanent home site Very Happy
There you can find the build, sources, docs and a couple of pets, including a slightly modified Chromium-5.0.342-Lucid.pet that will install and run on XOpup fine.

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hailpuppy,
just get a $1 USB stick, install, check for yourself and tell us what you think Very Happy Detailed instructions, including stick formatting, is there!
Speed is perceived different by different people... But yes, is faster than other XO builds Wink

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Aug 2010, 14:33    Post subject:  

Hi Mavrothal, Thankxx man!!!! I just ran XOpup on my OLPC and its superb!!!! I got even Open Office to run on it using the attached SFS Linker.Well with Openoffice it was slow to then extent that it could not be used but well this is super cool. I even watched an video with .avi extention.the vedio was bit sluggish but it was definitely watchable. Im extremely low literate on linux systems and your detailed instructions was very helpful in setting this up. Web cam was not working for me (perhaps this is because i didnt upgrade the firmware???). These are just initial remarks but hey if we make variations of this XOPup (as its always been the case with puppy linux) we might be able to get even Openoffice to run in RAM by making the OS small?Perhaps one might be able to use different USB s with different variations of XOpup to get different uses from the XOlap?Well i see immense possibilities with all of your achievement. hey guys im so exited thats why I couldnt help upload these few comments to you guys . I will test this system the best way I can and report tp you its statuses. Again Thanks a lot to you all...
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Aug 2010, 16:58    Post subject:  

Hailpup,
I'm sure that XOpup can be improved. A LOT!
However I'm afraid that this may need the work of someone that actually knows what (s)he's doing... At this stage no matter how functional and fast is just patchwork...

We need to get rid of a lot of stuff, (useless for XOpup), without breaking the system. Rework some monster scripts that are trying to find out what the hardware is and configure it so Puppy can work, but are a burden when the hardware and optimal configuration is already known. Work out some puppy relics (pup_event/udev, xFree86) that are from the era that the XO-1 was not even in the planning stage. And finally recompile and reconfigure many things.
A lot, lot, lot of work...

For example the camera that does not work (luvcview) probably needs recompiling.
The poor video is most likely xserver configurations that does not support some of the geode features (avi video plays without problem in other XO builds), etc, etc.

Let's hope that someone will step up the plate.

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Aug 2010, 23:35    Post subject:  

Hi Mavrothal,Hmm I guess we can start bugging some experts from now on again huh? Well now that the hardest part is over(i suppose!) thsi shouldnt be as hard as it used to be ?
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PostPosted: Tue 31 Aug 2010, 01:12    Post subject:  

hailpuppy wrote:
Well now that the hardest part is over(i suppose!) thsi shouldnt be as hard as it used to be ?


Actually this IS the hardest part...
Think of it like that. What we have is a baby of a difficult labor.
But now we have to nurture it to become a really good grown up...
If you have kids you'll know what I mean Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Sep 2010, 14:04    Post subject:  

Hi Mavrothal,
well im not that old yet to see my kids grow up;).Anyways i was just thinking what would you think if we include Openoffice to XOpup and see how well it works? Im helpless in this regard except to ask for help..I wish I could contribute to puppy in a better way but still im new to tricks of puppy.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 04:59    Post subject: geode-2.11.9  

There is a new version of the geode video driver 2.11.9, that is significantly better that the previous one. It is already in the Ubuntu Maverick repos but not in Lucid and is not clear if is going to be. So I compiled the source in XOpup with the lupu_devx_510.sfs and CFLAGS=" -Wall -O2 -g -march=i586" (experts pls advise...), stripped it and made a pet package.
It should also work in other than the XO-1, LX800/geode machines but was not tested in these.

In my hands it is really better.
Video playback  is smooth now (even at 24-bit depth!), web pages appear to render faster, PDF documents load pages faster and even flash works better. No, it still does not play flash video adequately ( Very Happy) but some animations, picture transitions etc, are better.

So, download the geode-2.11.9.pet  from the host site and click-install it. Restart the X sever or reboot and enjoy.

Assuming that someone else uses it and reports improvements and no new problems (regressions) compared to 2.11.8, I could rebuild XOpup with this in it.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 03:26    Post subject:  

Hi Mavrothal,in your next build would you try to get the web cam to work right?Smile Will we be able to see skype and Openoffice running in XOpup Mavrothal in anytime sooner? I guess this might be ok because Xtraordinary OShttp://on-disk.com/product_info.php/products_id/978 is claiming to run all these software on it.?
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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 03:53    Post subject:  

mavrothal et al

I have had blinkers on these past few months and should have made more contribution to your effort.

I am grabbing the latest Xo-pup right now to take a look. Looking forward to it Wink

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 09:11    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
mavrothal et al
I am grabbing the latest Xo-pup right now to take a look. Looking forward to it Wink

Cheers


No, I am looking forward to it Very Happy
Is a messy build but the changelog should provide some good idea.
Also there is a bunch of devices not described anywhere. There are basically devices from the Fedora 11 builds for the XO-1.

With the new geode driver I *think* that now the original lupu video setup should work ok, but even on a fresh (test) build with the new drivers and some more cleanup, I can not find a way to bypass the xorgwizard anymore.
What file have I forgotten/changed that defaults to the wizard?

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 09:22    Post subject:  

hailpuppy wrote:
Hi Mavrothal,in your next build would you try to get the web cam to work right?Smile Will we be able to see skype and Openoffice running in XOpup Mavrothal in anytime sooner? I guess this might be ok because Xtraordinary OShttp://on-disk.com/product_info.php/products_id/978 is claiming to run all these software on it.?


Did you try Skype and does not work? Both the pet and the sfs worked fine for sound for me but I could not test the video because the camera of my XO-1 is broken.
Regarding Openoffice it also runs on the XOpup, no? Just get the SFS and start it at boot.
BTW which part of office do you need that Abiword/gnumeric does not satisfy? Would be realy hard to do powerpoint presentations on the XO-1... Very Happy

Now regarding XtraOrdinary... just try it. But no it does not run Skype video conferencing and OpenOffice I did not really ever tried on XtraOrdinary.

Edit I just tried OpenOffice and runs fine! Actually does not even use the swap!



The only "problem" I see is the PuppyPin icons, but I think that is a more general problem with the puppypin

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 16:10    Post subject: PuppyPin  

Here is problem I have with PuppyPin in XOpup:
If you modify the positioning of the icons or change one (eg "console" to open sakura instead of urtvx) is OK till you change BOOTCONFIG eg add or remove an SFS at boot. Then urtvx reappears (in addition to sakura) and icon alignment goes back to the default.

I did check /root/Choices/ROX-Filer and /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net but I couldn't find anything striking. I also commented out the relevant segment /etc/rc.sysinit but no change either way

Any idea why or where should I look for tousles?

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 16:25    Post subject:  

Hi Mavrothal,
1. I could not try Skype or Internet as yet as I didn't get a chance to go near a wifi area and i am stil looking for a Ethernet to Usb converter so that I could log into internet using XOpup. The moment I can do that I gueass I d be in heavens!!!Smile

2.I ve so far been using sfs files with the help of "SFS_Linker-431bk-1.1.pet". In that method Openoffice was almost unusable.
3. I am sorry I do not yet know how to use the sfs file at boot.Now that you have suggested,i m trying to look for a way to boot sfs files at boot from forum.

4.I am yet unaware what a swap is and its uses,i guess i have to search for that also in the forum.

5.As for abiword and Gnumeric,they are just fine for me but the look for Openoffice is yet another reason to brag about the capabilities of this superb XOpup Smile. By the way I am trying to convince local OLPC arm in Sri Lanka to use XOpupalong with the OLPC laptops they are distributing.My convincing point is that with XOpup ,XOlaptop is going to be really usefull to children in addition to the "educative " aspects of Sugar OS.

6. I ve found some limitations in Abiword,specialy with regard to the compatibility issues with Word at times.For an example I v not so far been able to open up the contents of a textbox contained in a Windows Word document using Abiword.Im also still struggling to manage positioning of inserted pictures inside Abiword.

7.How I boot XOpup is by plugging in a USB with the XOpup in it. I dont know if your way of getting OpenOffice to run would work in thus specific way that I use to boot XOpup.

I appreciate your comments on these ,but specially how to use OpenOffice.

Cheers.!!!
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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 17:26    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:

With the new geode driver I *think* that now the original lupu video setup should work ok, but even on a fresh (test) build with the new drivers and some more cleanup, I can not find a way to bypass the xorgwizard anymore.
What file have I forgotten/changed that defaults to the wizard?

Hmmm.. it booted straight to a nice desktop for me. It didn't for you? One thing with xorgwizard, I wanted to drop the default resolution so I used that, way too much choice! (And probably most would not woek). May be able to filter that.

I am about to test Skype and OOOrg, there are sfs files of both in my repo at smokey01.com.

I can also mirror XOpup v3 too if you want.

I used Quickpet to grab Seamonkey, had a ram crash, should have realised that! Fine after I made a save. Perhaps we can induce or even include a swap file in the build? It would have advantages.

The sfs bug whereby the puppypin defaults back to original when an sfs is loaded is an age old puppy bug. It is to do with updating the layered filesystem, It also affects window managers!. What needs to happen, is that a snapshot of the current puppypin and system choices needs to be made and stored when a change happens in /etc/rc.d/BOOTCONFIG. Thei fixing of this bug is on my 'todo' list, which is quite long! Rolling Eyes

All in all good job mavrothal, more later

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 17:42    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
mavrothal wrote:

With the new geode driver I *think* that now the original lupu video setup should work ok, but even on a fresh (test) build with the new drivers and some more cleanup, I can not find a way to bypass the xorgwizard anymore.
What file have I forgotten/changed that defaults to the wizard?

Hmmm.. it booted straight to a nice desktop for me. It didn't for you? One thing with xorgwizard, I wanted to drop the default resolution so I used that, way too much choice! (And probably most would not woek). May be able to filter that.


It boots fine, but if say, remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf from the build and make a new XOpup.sfs, it will now go to xorgwizard at boot and not straight to the desktop as in original lupu-510.
Any idea why?
Would be nice to keep out the Xorgwizard altogether because I *think* is messing up screen rotation
BTW all the 4:3 resolution settings work without any problem.

Also you are welcome to mirror it or change it in anyway you think best. Just keep a change log so we know what's happening Very Happy

About a swap file in the build is not a bad idea at all! Hopefully will not increase the size of the distribution being an empty file, is it? (I guess I'll check Very Happy )

Edit I checked. No go. It does not compress.
You know what would be nice though, an oprtion in the first-run.sh to create a /pupswap.swp if no swap detected, backed by a little script (though I would make it invisible with the relevant change in rc.sysinit) !
It would also be useful for normal Lupu Very Happy

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