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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov 2009, 16:41    Post subject: Re: Continue like that, man! Do not give up!
Subject description: Thanks ttuuxxx for your effort!!
 

alejol wrote:
ttuuxxx, I live in Uruguay and my daughter Emilia has one XO.
I am very dissapointed with Sugar, and very upset with Journal. It is the worst file manager, and one of worst MIT's ideas. Journal impedes the sharing or saving files in a simple fashion with non-XO machines. The use of .metadata files obscures each file.
And Sugar interface is not standard, and our childrens do not learn how to use a *real* computer.
I appreciate your effort, and the hardware of the XO is not standard which makes your job difficult.
I will be very pleased to try Puppy in the XO .

My best wishes to be able to successfully complete your project!!

Hi I agree and many others do also, I think I'll make it a sfs, I've been working 21 days straight including weekends, and working on XO in spare time, Soon I'll be off for 3 weeks straight for the Christmas holidays. I've tried using Dpup but had some compiling issues, so now I'm trying to build Karmic Cola Upup, which is the latest woof series, That start is always slow, but once it takes off it should be great.
As for Sugar, I think I will make it a sfs, that can be loaded at boot or NOT Wink Then everyone will be happy. Also I was thinking as to use IceWm as the window manager, the reason, I made some great themes in 4.2 that weren't all used. Plus I converted a couple. I don't see why if they are worried about kids messing up the system why I couldn't make a hidden or locked folder with .desktop files for configuring/installing etc and just keep the main apps in menu Smile
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov 2009, 17:40    Post subject: Re: Continue like that, man! Do not give up!
Subject description: Thanks ttuuxxx for your effort!!
 

ttuuxxx wrote:

I've tried using Dpup but had some compiling issues, so now I'm trying to build Karmic Cola Upup, which is the latest woof series, That start is always slow, but once it takes off it should be great.

Is that for the XO? If yes with which kernel?
DebXO is a fairly decent Debian xo-port and it may serve as a good starting point.
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov 2009, 18:01    Post subject: Re: Continue like that, man! Do not give up!
Subject description: Thanks ttuuxxx for your effort!!
 

mavrothal wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:

I've tried using Dpup but had some compiling issues, so now I'm trying to build Karmic Cola Upup, which is the latest woof series, That start is always slow, but once it takes off it should be great.

Is that for the XO? If yes with which kernel?
DebXO is a fairly decent Debian xo-port and it may serve as a good starting point.


yes that for XO as kernels go really what I have in mind is to use the oldest one that will work with hardware.
linux_kernel-2.6.30.5-tickless_smp-7-p4.pet <-- 35MB pet
linux_kernel-2.6.21.7-ide-uniproc-1-p4.pet <-- 25MB pet
that is just an example of the current kernels that haven't been recompiled. The thing is If I was going to go with Karmic, I could make it specifically for XO or maybe patch it and then everyone could use it. The ubuntu version of XO works on regular pc's also doesn't it?
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 01:57    Post subject: Re: Continue like that, man! Do not give up!
Subject description: Thanks ttuuxxx for your effort!!
 

ttuuxxx wrote:


yes that for XO as kernels go really what I have in mind is to use the oldest one that will work with hardware.
linux_kernel-2.6.30.5-tickless_smp-7-p4.pet <-- 35MB pet
linux_kernel-2.6.21.7-ide-uniproc-1-p4.pet <-- 25MB pet
that is just an example of the current kernels that haven't been recompiled. The thing is If I was going to go with Karmic, I could make it specifically for XO or maybe patch it and then everyone could use it. The ubuntu version of XO works on regular pc's also doesn't it?
ttuuxxx

As far as I know EVERY distro that worked on the XO is using the custom olpc kernels. Ubuntu is using the pristine one from os767 or os802(the one that came with your XOs). DebXO is using a beefed up os767 kernel but the guy that made it was the OLPC kernel developer at the time...
And no, XO kernels and distro ports will not run on normal hardware. Not even in emulation! there are some special qemu kernel versions that will run on emulation for development but you must use the non-qemu versions for the XO.
Also a far as I know XO is also _very_ picky on the initramfs (if used)
So I would think trying to patch/modify the os802 kernel and build puppy from there would be a way to go.
Alternatively you can use the DebXO that may be easier to combine with Dpup. However for sources etc you must go to git that the developer uses.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 09:17    Post subject:  

Thanks that saved me a lot of work Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 16:10    Post subject: DebXO  

I went back pocking around DebXO after some time. Looks like it has the vanilla 2.6.25.15 kernel! maybe with few hacks but not much. It has almost all the modules including unionfs. it also has a bunch of drivers so it looks like it could boot a normal PC. The only thing missing is squashfs so if you patch it should be good to go.
If anything it has too many things (including Apple drivers, bluetooth and video drivers etc). When it runs it loads about 80 modules when os802 loads about 15! hence a bit heavy.
You may want to give it a serious look though specially if you want to boot a regular PC too. may not be the most efficient and optimised (both kernel and OS) for the XO but it may make your life easier in the beginning
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Nov 2009, 20:48    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx/mavrothal

I've been reading the thread....nice moves ttuuxxx, you are now doing what I asked for support for this idea over 2 years ago - thanks

news also from Negroponte, which may help to future proof things, & set direction

http://www.olpcnews.com/people/negroponte/negroponte_xo-175_goes_arm_xo-2_is_cancelled.html

Have they gone over to arm because of windoze mobile?

A Dream Not Yet Over.....

Quote:
Another milestone will be the launch next month of the XO1’s successor, the OLPC 1.5, with double the speed and four times more memory. Fuseproject is now developing future models with double screens to enable several kids to work on each one. The progress of the new designs and OLPC’s experience in Uruguay, Rwanda, Peru and elsewhere will be scrutinized as intensely as ever, especially when it comes to the (inevitable) mishaps.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/arts/design/09iht-design9.html?_r=1

They haven't heard about the legend that is ttuuxxx.....YET!

"olpuppyc"....? Wink Laughing

PS: I arrived here via http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=358885#358885

Can anyone translate?

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Nov 2009, 01:22    Post subject:  

Sure here ya go Smile Google is your friend, works better than bable fish http://translate.google.com.au/translate_t#
ttuuxxx

Hola amigos! In this forum:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47337
we can see the struggle to carry Puppy ttuuxxx the OLPC XO.

Hopefully we will do!

Recently filled the "journal" my baby, Emilia. Using the terminal
I could copy your files to a pendrive. But the MIT effort to lure the children of traditional file systems is an annoying way to reinvent the wheel, which does not work.

I have 400 MB of files with names as "intuitive" as
A23DF23-56-543hB-0009, each accompanied by his. Metadata
that explains what it is.

Journal Hopefully Sugar and disappear from the face of the earth!

I invite you to write a few lines of encouragement to ttuuxxx, which seeks what the "geniuses" of Lauth and passes them on the head: to give our children a standard operating system to learn something of what actually used in a future.

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Nov 2009, 03:38    Post subject:  

Aitch wrote:
ttuuxxx/mavrothal
news also from Negroponte, which may help to future proof things, & set direction

http://www.olpcnews.com/people/negroponte/negroponte_xo-175_goes_arm_xo-2_is_cancelled.html

If you went through the long discussion in this thread hopefully you got a sense of what is going on, the time frame etc. An ARM XO is _conceivable_ by 2012 or later I would say. Till then XO-1 and XO-1.5 (assuming that is delivered sometime next year) is the name of the game.
There is a long list of things that Negroponte said and then scraped (XO-2 is the latest example) so do not hold your breath...
Is a part of the game trying to keep OLPC afloat from people that would LOVE it to fail flat on its face. (non-profit laptops?... for the savages?... is sacrilegious!...)

Aitch wrote:
Have they gone over to arm because of windoze mobile?[/url]

Windows Mobile is a distant 3rd (or 4th) as far as ARM OS goes. Why on earth would someone (including NN) would do it? No the simple reason is that ARM is way more energy efficient the x86 and low energy consumption is a _fundamental_ issue for OLPC, the developing world and the globe I might say.
And by 2012 the market will probably be full of ARM smartbooks and I'm sure that puppy will be on the bandwagon....
Now if by 2012 Atom catches up.... Wink

Aitch wrote:
They haven't heard about the legend that is ttuuxxx.....YET!

"olpuppyc"....? Wink Laughing

Would you like to get an XO and joint the legend, or you would rather stay in the sidelines and watch him startle the world?... Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Nov 2009, 18:34    Post subject: I will help
Subject description: I have little to offer, but I offer it anyway.
 

I was an original G1G1 Nov. 2007 participant. I have been attempting to make my OLPC more usable off-an-on ever since. My last attempt was to get Bluetooth compiled into Teapot's Ubuntu 8.10. I failed miserably. Nothing I did would produce a bootable kernel. I am a savvy tech in the Windows world, and am used to succeeding on projects that I attempt, so my pride has been wounded by my OLPC. Nevertheless, I would like to assist in this project however I might. I think Puppy sounds like the correct OS for this machine. (next on my to-do list, install Puppy on one of my computers...) Please let me know how/if I can be of assistance. Incidentally, I am here because I followed Mavrothal from OLPCnews.
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Nov 2009, 20:01    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
Would you like to get an XO and joint the legend, or you would rather stay in the sidelines and watch him startle the world?... Laughing


YES, I'd very much like an XO*, AND have ttuuxxx compile another piece of his sheer genius for it, and NO I won't be one of the startled ones.... Wink Laughing

*If anyone would care to make me a xmas pressie of one, I'd be a very happy bunny......tee hee hee

PS: Yes, I've followed NN's antics from way back, ...but he's still there despite fierce commercial opposition.... just goes to show that the theory's sound, & he's no fool IMHO Wink

ttuuxxx - that's pretty much as I intuited it, and why I posted it!

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2009, 03:46    Post subject:  

Aitch wrote:
YES, I'd very much like an XO*, AND have ttuuxxx compile another piece of his sheer genius for it, and NO I won't be one of the startled ones.... Wink Laughing

*If anyone would care to make me a xmas pressie of one, I'd be a very happy bunny......tee hee hee


Aitch is easier than you might think to get an XO.
If you have a _remotely_ reasonable sounding idea of what you'll do with the XO (or you can fabricate one Laughing ) you can participate in the contributors' program, check for an XO lending library near you, ask for a traveling XO or just post a request in any of the the two forums (there are pleanty of G1G1 XOs collecting dust waiting for XOpup Laughing )
There is also e-bay and of course the people that love you Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2009, 08:20    Post subject:  

thanks, mavrothal

He he - I see OLPC is already using ebay to good effect - Microwaved XO fundraiser

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ylcq9zy

Microwaved puppy fundraiser? - no perhaps not! Laughing

Anyone love me enough to donate an XO, please PM me Wink Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov 2009, 06:36    Post subject:  

So ttuuxxx
how (the almost over Cool )week 3 with the XOs went?
Any progress in getting something else booting?
Tried DebXO at all?
Just wondering...
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov 2009, 07:28    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
So ttuuxxx
how (the almost over Cool )week 3 with the XOs went?
Any progress in getting something else booting?
Tried DebXO at all?
Just wondering...

lol you make that sound like I had much time, lol
I did say somewhere that I've been working 21 days straight without a day off, in like 37c heat, when I get home I'm exhausted, but I'm finished my weekend job and now this is my first weekend off from construction, but I do have to build a pc for client tomorrow but it should only take a couple of hours, anyways during that time I managed to build a woof for Karmic ubuntu, but its not nearly stable enough to run Xo, Here's the link, I guess you missed it, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48666
I need a working base, Dpup has compiling issues, that Gposil does say is ironed out for the next release due at the end of the month, but really I need some sort packages/control over the build, I could edit the sfs files, but really what I should use is a woof version where I have 100% control.
So yes I'm still at step one --> The base that has to be tested and then start on the kernel using the base.
I might try Spup (slackware) or Ppup (latest 4 series) next.
ttuuxxx

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