"America's army" for linux on Puppy 1.06,...Possib

[woodeye18]

"America's army" for linux on Puppy 1.06,...Possible?

Has Anybody ever loaded America's army on Puppy Linux. It is the free 3D Army game from the US ARMY and is fun to play over the LAN on Windows. We would like to run the server portion on Puppy Linux and run the client side from other PC's on our LAN. The 800mb download is a file that ends in extension ".run". What do I do to install this file?

[kirk]

Usually files that end in .run are excutable. You might have to change the permisions. (right click and go to permisions) Good luck. The 800MB scared me off.

[rarsa]

Usually files that end in .run are excutable. You might have to change the permisions. (right click and go to permisions) Good luck. The 800MB scared me off.

What about the 'army' part? that scares me more. I have no problem having fun killing monsters and mutants, even running over pedestrians in a totally fictional setting.

But 'playing' a game that will condition you to 'serve' the army and desensitize you to kill real people? no thanks.

Don't you realize that those games are just a brain wash?

[The Rev]

He is right you know.

[Guest]

You can get the game free , just stop by your local Army recruiting office.

[jcagle]

What about the 'army' part? that scares me more. I have no problem having fun killing monsters and mutants, even running over pedestrians in a totally fictional setting.

But 'playing' a game that will condition you to 'serve' the army and desensitize you to kill real people? no thanks.

Don't you realize that those games are just a brain wash?

The game was meant to train people who had already joined the army, not to brainwash people who have already joined.

I don't have a problem with army games. It's games like Grand Theft Auto and True Crimes that I'm concerned about.

[Guest]

It's games like Grand Theft Auto [...] that I'm concerned about.

That's one of the games I was referring when I said that I have no problem running over pedestrians in a fictional setting.

The WWI and WWII were real and real people died. The desert storm was real. The Iraq invasion is real and real people, inocent people are dying in greater numbers than under the tyrant dictator. Maybe Benevolent dictators aren't too good either. And Its quite sad to hear some soldiers talk with excitement and laughter how 'they blew up that guy' as if it was a game. I'm sad for them, for what the army has done to them.

If most iraqui people want to live in a medieval society, that's ther right. Imposing democracy is not ours as it wouldn't be theirs to try to impose their beliefs on us.

Oh, but I'm disgressing, It was about games... and the problem is that games about real wars are no games at all.

[Auda]

What worries me is that the "west" is conditioning every one to think that no one ever dies by accident, that being safe is the most important thing in the world. We are ending up as a group of bland wimps just prime for being taken over by any nation with balls.
"Have a safe christmas" is heard a lot. Christ didnt he had fun and got killed. Go and have fun and if you get hurt or die before I see you next then I hope you enjoyed doing it.
Rant mode off and back on topic did you get it working ? Is it lan only or can others on th einternet join in ? Will the client run on puppy ?

Auda

[jcagle]

If most iraqui people want to live in a medieval society, that's ther right. Imposing democracy is not ours as it wouldn't be theirs to try to impose their beliefs on us.

You can't force democracy on anyone. They have to chose it. It's not possible to force it on them.

Many of the Iraqi people actually wanted us to go into their country and take Saddam out anyway. They wanted to be free. Maybe some of them weren't crazy about the US coming to help them be free, but who else was going to do it? We're only giving them the opportunity to be free, if they screw it up, that's fine, but we were trying to keep Iraq from being a danger to us in the first place. We didn't go over there because they had WMDs, but because Saddam had the desire to create WMDs once no one was watching. And quite frankly, I think he had them and moved them out to another country while we were deciding wether or not to take him out.

Anyway, I don't come here to the Puppy Linux forum to talk politics, and we're getting way off topic quickly. If we discuss this, let's at least move it to the miscellaneous forum.

And by the way, this isn't the first time that a game has been made based on real wars.

[Guest]

They wanted to be free.

united states style capitalism is not freedom.

[jcagle]

Quite frankly, I'm more for capitalism than I am socialism or communism. Can we PLEASE move these political/ecomomical discussions to Miscellaneous, though?

[rarsa]

By the way, the first 'guest' at 1:58 PM was me not logged in (I'm setting up a new computer)

The 'guest' at 3:24 is not me.

[Revolutionist-klh]

You use words like democracy or united states. But have you actually seen the united states or democracy ? Is there a line or a sign that reads united states ? Thesee are words used to
control the masses. I really cannot explain but I will try.

People in general like to feel safe & happy. And if I groomed you enough, you would trust me.
Well multiply that by however long we have been on this earth as humans & how that power has been misused and regretted. So you see the division in the world as of now; trust & mistrust.
And it is the one person or people that can sell themselves that will earn this trust or take.
They use words like "our" country, troops etc. As if we have some control or piece of the pie.
When in fact we are enslaved to the ones that are able to control the masses in this world.

If you people ever stopped and asked one question in this life I would hope it would be "why".

Why is this or why is that. And when you start asking why about everything you will gain knowledge that might sink your heart.

I hope I explained that enough. But as for you who don't believe in GOD, please answer me this one question.

What came first the chicken or the egg ?

ATTENTION Please don't move this post as it pertains to this subject or discussion.

[edoc]

What about the 'army' part? that scares me more. I have no problem having fun killing monsters and mutants, even running over pedestrians in a totally fictional setting.

But 'playing' a game that will condition you to 'serve' the army and desensitize you to kill real people? no thanks.

Don't you realize that those games are just a brain wash?

The game was meant to train people who had already joined the army, not to brainwash people who have already joined.

I don't have a problem with army games. It's games like Grand Theft Auto and True Crimes that I'm concerned about.

From where might one download this, please? I have a friend I will ask to look at porting it over.

As for the anti-American propaganda, as I say to my children, when people act ignorant ignore them.

doc

[rarsa]

[As for the anti-American propaganda, as I say to my children, when people act ignorant ignore them.

It's not easy to ignore your president. He is ignorant and acts based on that. And I didn't see any anti-American propaganda on this thread actually. (hey people, you keep forgeting that America starts at 'tierra del fuego' in Argentina and ends at Canada. America is the name of the Continent, but I won't try to expose ignorance any more, sorry).

By the way, That was my opinion about a game funded by the US army. Noone has rebutted saying that the game and the war are far appart and that you can disasociate the game from the real war. So I get that for the people that like those games, killing the real enemy can realy be fun.

And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against shoot'em all games I don't think they condition people for anything... except when the real purpose is to condition them (aka army funded games).

[edoc]

[As for the anti-American propaganda, as I say to my children, when people act ignorant ignore them.

It's not easy to ignore your president. He is ignorant and acts based on that. And I didn't see any anti-American propaganda on this thread actually. (hey people, you keep forgeting that America starts at 'tierra del fuego' in Argentina and ends at Canada. America is the name of the Continent, but I won't try to expose ignorance any more, sorry).

By the way, That was my opinion about a game funded by the US army. Noone has rebutted saying that the game and the war are far appart and that you can disasociate the game from the real war. So I get that for the people that like those games, killing the real enemy can realy be fun.

And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against shoot'em all games I don't think they condition people for anything... except when the real purpose is to condition them (aka army funded games).

Our USA President is neither ignorant nor acting out of ignorance and anyone who has been in Iraq since their liberation knows quite well that the vast majority of Iraqis are delighted to be free of Saddam and his murdeous rapist thug sons.

More hospitals, more schools, more freedom, more free enterprise small business, free and open elections (despite terrorist efforts to intimidate by mnudering people lined up to vote or filed to be candidates for office). These are bad things?

This, below, is anti-United States of America propaganda.

innocent people are dying in greater numbers than under the tyrant dictator.

These sorts of claims originate with the enemies of freedom (everyone's except their own) who murdered innocent non-combatants on 911 in NYC, a public subway in Great Britian, public transportation in Spain, and routinely and as a matter of some twisted religious perrogative butcher their fellow Muslims (men, women, and children) on a daily basis.

Is it worse to train our soldiers to defend our freedom using lethal force than for them to train their children to murder innocent non-combatant citizens in public venues by blowing themselves up?

At best the terrorists and their sympathetic mullas are guilty of gross child abuse and neglect -- in civilized societies those who brainwash children to hate in this way would be properly jailed.

And yes, it is incorrect to characterize an interactive training game as bad. There is scant, if any, evidence that separates so-called make-believe games that rehearse killing than Army training tools.

There is also scant, if any, evidence that anyone in the USA military finds pleasure in killing -- all of the TV interviews by known anti-war liberals with returning vets trying to get them to say just that have failed. These men and women went and did a job and they say that they saw endless evidences that the cause was just, that they would return, that the media is mostly covering up the good for partisan reasons, and that they hate war but understand it as an unavoidable necessity.

Had the USA stayed out of WWI and WWII all of Europe would be speaking German under the thumb of viscious dictators.

Why is history so hard for the modern generation to comprehend? As one has said, he who fails to learn from history is doomed to repeat it ... which is why there was a WWII.

BTW: I do not play any video games and carefully screen those our children okay. I hate violent games, including paintball, but understand the need for military training and that others will differ as to the boundaries of free speech and of free access to games with which I disagree.

A proud American (USA) who believes that no more civilized nor peace-
causing, nor non-expansionistic, nor more generous, nor more careful to avoid collateral non-combatant deaths during conflicts (during the past 50 years) super-power nation has ever existed in the history of the world. And I say so without fear of successful contradiction.

Back to the purpose of the list ...

IMHO, YMMV ... doc

[thoughtjourneyNoLogin]

I usually don't buy into these debates, as I don't think they ever really work to change people's minds, which is the true purpose of debate. I do have a couple of observations, though, and no offence intended to anyone, please!

The use of phrases such as

enemies of freedom

shows just how neatly the propaganda of the US Government has pervaded into the minds of some in the US society. That, to me, is of great concern. These phrases and ideas add nothing to the debate (in the true sense of the word), because we have heard them all before from the mouths of politicians. It is of primary importance for intelligent people from all sides of the debate to interpret the comments of politicians in light of what is true and what is false, rather than to just reiterate what has already been spoonfed to the people of the world. Of course, judging that is not always so easy, but we must to do our best with the indicators we have.

Actually explaining, in your own words, what is meant by "enemies of freedom" might be more helpful to us in seeing what you personally have critically thought about. The use of language is frightfully important, and really, as soon as we hear the very words we have heard from the politicians whom we mistrust, we just switch our minds off to what you are saying, because it has all been heard before and we don't buy into it. Reiterating their argument here won't help your cause.


The other point I had was that the Puppy Linux forum isn't really the place for this debate, as edoc mentioned in his last post! On that note, I shall depart

[MU]

The other point I had was that the Puppy Linux forum isn't really the place for this debate, as edoc mentioned in his last post! On that note, I shall depart

Hi,
I think the forum is a place, that brings together people from all over the world.
As it basically is a place, where people help each other in technical questions, there is a good relationship, a spirit of respect.

This has influence on the way political discussions will be.
If I tell lobster something critical about the german view of the british, there is a good chance, he will not feel offended (as he knows, it is not my goal to offend him).
In another forum, a british user might think "what does this german ashole wants from me?".
So I think it is ok to have place in the misc-forum for such debates.
It might be a chance, to get a new point of view, when you hear the opinion of someone from another nation.

Greets, Mark

[rarsa]

And I think that up to now it's just been a sharing of opinions. No harm or ill feelings.

[jcagle]

Hi,
I think the forum is a place, that brings together people from all over the world.
As it basically is a place, where people help each other in technical questions, there is a good relationship, a spirit of respect.

This has influence on the way political discussions will be.
If I tell lobster something critical about the german view of the british, there is a good chance, he will not feel offended (as he knows, it is not my goal to offend him).
In another forum, a british user might think "what does this german ashole wants from me?".
So I think it is ok to have place in the misc-forum for such debates.
It might be a chance, to get a new point of view, when you hear the opinion of someone from another nation.

Yes, that's why I've posted my thread there, as I felt that it was getting off topic here, and I wanted to point out that there is another, more "conservative" view point that some Linux users have. We're not all socialists, communists, or democrats...some of us are republicans and libertarians too. (By the way, someone mentioned that republicans and democrats are basically the same in my other thread, I actually have to agree with that person to some extent).