"America's army" for linux on Puppy 1.06,...Possib

[edoc]

[As for the anti-American propaganda, as I say to my children, when people act ignorant ignore them.

It's not easy to ignore your president. He is ignorant and acts based on that. And I didn't see any anti-American propaganda on this thread actually. (hey people, you keep forgeting that America starts at 'tierra del fuego' in Argentina and ends at Canada. America is the name of the Continent, but I won't try to expose ignorance any more, sorry).

By the way, That was my opinion about a game funded by the US army. Noone has rebutted saying that the game and the war are far appart and that you can disasociate the game from the real war. So I get that for the people that like those games, killing the real enemy can realy be fun.

And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against shoot'em all games I don't think they condition people for anything... except when the real purpose is to condition them (aka army funded games).

Our USA President is neither ignorant nor acting out of ignorance and anyone who has been in Iraq since their liberation knows quite well that the vast majority of Iraqis are delighted to be free of Saddam and his murdeous rapist thug sons.

More hospitals, more schools, more freedom, more free enterprise small business, free and open elections (despite terrorist efforts to intimidate by mnudering people lined up to vote or filed to be candidates for office). These are bad things?

This, below, is anti-United States of America propaganda.

innocent people are dying in greater numbers than under the tyrant dictator.

These sorts of claims originate with the enemies of freedom (everyone's except their own) who murdered innocent non-combatants on 911 in NYC, a public subway in Great Britian, public transportation in Spain, and routinely and as a matter of some twisted religious perrogative butcher their fellow Muslims (men, women, and children) on a daily basis.

Is it worse to train our soldiers to defend our freedom using lethal force than for them to train their children to murder innocent non-combatant citizens in public venues by blowing themselves up?

At best the terrorists and their sympathetic mullas are guilty of gross child abuse and neglect -- in civilized societies those who brainwash children to hate in this way would be properly jailed.

And yes, it is incorrect to characterize an interactive training game as bad. There is scant, if any, evidence that separates so-called make-believe games that rehearse killing than Army training tools.

There is also scant, if any, evidence that anyone in the USA military finds pleasure in killing -- all of the TV interviews by known anti-war liberals with returning vets trying to get them to say just that have failed. These men and women went and did a job and they say that they saw endless evidences that the cause was just, that they would return, that the media is mostly covering up the good for partisan reasons, and that they hate war but understand it as an unavoidable necessity.

Had the USA stayed out of WWI and WWII all of Europe would be speaking German under the thumb of viscious dictators.

Why is history so hard for the modern generation to comprehend? As one has said, he who fails to learn from history is doomed to repeat it ... which is why there was a WWII.

BTW: I do not play any video games and carefully screen those our children okay. I hate violent games, including paintball, but understand the need for military training and that others will differ as to the boundaries of free speech and of free access to games with which I disagree.

A proud American (USA) who believes that no more civilized nor peace-
causing, nor non-expansionistic, nor more generous, nor more careful to avoid collateral non-combatant deaths during conflicts (during the past 50 years) super-power nation has ever existed in the history of the world. And I say so without fear of successful contradiction.

Back to the purpose of the list ...

IMHO, YMMV ... doc

[thoughtjourneyNoLogin]

I usually don't buy into these debates, as I don't think they ever really work to change people's minds, which is the true purpose of debate. I do have a couple of observations, though, and no offence intended to anyone, please!

The use of phrases such as

enemies of freedom

shows just how neatly the propaganda of the US Government has pervaded into the minds of some in the US society. That, to me, is of great concern. These phrases and ideas add nothing to the debate (in the true sense of the word), because we have heard them all before from the mouths of politicians. It is of primary importance for intelligent people from all sides of the debate to interpret the comments of politicians in light of what is true and what is false, rather than to just reiterate what has already been spoonfed to the people of the world. Of course, judging that is not always so easy, but we must to do our best with the indicators we have.

Actually explaining, in your own words, what is meant by "enemies of freedom" might be more helpful to us in seeing what you personally have critically thought about. The use of language is frightfully important, and really, as soon as we hear the very words we have heard from the politicians whom we mistrust, we just switch our minds off to what you are saying, because it has all been heard before and we don't buy into it. Reiterating their argument here won't help your cause.


The other point I had was that the Puppy Linux forum isn't really the place for this debate, as edoc mentioned in his last post! On that note, I shall depart

[MU]

The other point I had was that the Puppy Linux forum isn't really the place for this debate, as edoc mentioned in his last post! On that note, I shall depart

Hi,
I think the forum is a place, that brings together people from all over the world.
As it basically is a place, where people help each other in technical questions, there is a good relationship, a spirit of respect.

This has influence on the way political discussions will be.
If I tell lobster something critical about the german view of the british, there is a good chance, he will not feel offended (as he knows, it is not my goal to offend him).
In another forum, a british user might think "what does this german ashole wants from me?".
So I think it is ok to have place in the misc-forum for such debates.
It might be a chance, to get a new point of view, when you hear the opinion of someone from another nation.

Greets, Mark

[rarsa]

And I think that up to now it's just been a sharing of opinions. No harm or ill feelings.

[jcagle]

Hi,
I think the forum is a place, that brings together people from all over the world.
As it basically is a place, where people help each other in technical questions, there is a good relationship, a spirit of respect.

This has influence on the way political discussions will be.
If I tell lobster something critical about the german view of the british, there is a good chance, he will not feel offended (as he knows, it is not my goal to offend him).
In another forum, a british user might think "what does this german ashole wants from me?".
So I think it is ok to have place in the misc-forum for such debates.
It might be a chance, to get a new point of view, when you hear the opinion of someone from another nation.

Yes, that's why I've posted my thread there, as I felt that it was getting off topic here, and I wanted to point out that there is another, more "conservative" view point that some Linux users have. We're not all socialists, communists, or democrats...some of us are republicans and libertarians too. (By the way, someone mentioned that republicans and democrats are basically the same in my other thread, I actually have to agree with that person to some extent).

[rarsa]

Talking about war games. If that war game that this thread started with can be used online. It would be fun to take sides create two or three teams and have a shoot'em all session. The team that wins, wins the argument! Let's backup your beliefs with our guns

(By the way, I'm not that good with shoot'em all games, so I wil send my son as my representative )

No, seriously, It would be fun to see if puppy can be used as a game server for some game and have a session.

[babbs]

I've been to Iraq, Somilia, Bosnia and Kosovo... All in just 13 years in the US Army. I've spent 10 years in Germany (9.5 as a kid & 6 mo as a soldier). I've trained with Canadian, German, British, French and Dutch troops. I've worked with Australlian troops and troops from yet more countries. I've visited France on holiday. What sticks out in my mind more than all of these experiences? Being in the Pentagon on 9/11. Although I'm no longer in the military, I strongly support those who are. They are the most professional and hard working group of individuals I have ever met.


As to the game that started this thread, I have not played it, nor have I seen anyone play it. Although that is the case, I would like to point out that most of "today's" US Military equipment has a video screen and both look and feel like a video game. Sure, its no fun walking 15 miles with 75 pounds on your back and another 10 pounds in your arms, but when riding around in a tank or armored personnel carrier, you get the video game feeling.

But 'playing' a game that will condition you to 'serve' the army and desensitize you to kill real people? no thanks.

I didn't get my training from a video game, basic training was effective enough.

If someone ports this game to Linux (Puppy or Fedora), then I'll give it a try.

[woodeye18]

I was going to apologize for posting the original request for help on installing the America's Army game, but I don't have any reason to. I asked for advice on a few commands on how to install a simple game that happened to be free. I think I'm old enough to handle Brain washing or even a light rinse. I don't come on here to hear a bunch of anti war attacks. Of the 30 or so replies, I heard three that addressed my question. One about changing attributes, one about where to find the game so someone could try porting it, and another from a veteren for whom I offer my thanks for putting your life on the line to protect my freedom. You for one do not deserve to hear people trash your sacrifice for sport. In response to the request for the location of the game, it can be downloaded at : www.americasarmy.com.

P.S. Much of the game includes what are called MILES simulations, which are soldiers with what the army uses in war games, i.e laser sights and light sensitive devices that emit a sound when the war game person is "hit". This simulation is less likely to "desensitize" someone's aggression than would a paintball game or an enviromental activist torching a ski chalet or ramming a whaling ship.

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[rarsa]

I was going to apologize for posting the original request for help on installing the America's Army game, but I don't have any reason to.

You don't but I do.

I am sorry for derailing a simple technical request. I don't know what I was thinking.

Next time I will try to be helpful or skip the message.

[JohnMurga]

I was going to apologize for posting the original request for help on installing the America's Army game, but I don't have any reason to.

You don't but I do.

I am sorry for derailing a simple technical request. I don't know what I was thinking.

Next time I will try to be helpful or skip the message.

Rare to see someone big enough to come forward like that ...

Please don't skip the message though, it is this good natured discourse which makes the forum come alive sometimes. Just post a new topic in Misc quoting the offending text and then limit to posting a link to it in the main topic ... It is the reponses to the controversy that bloat this topic.

On the subject of AA ... I played it on Windows and it was fun, on a Linux setup (ie. Puppy) I think it'll require a full-ish install of X with the appropriate accelerated module for your Gfx card and OpenGL, all-in-all this may be a bit of a pain for the average user to set up.

Cheers
JohnM

[babbs]

... You for one do not deserve to hear people trash your sacrifice for sport...

woodeye18 - One of the things I cherish most is the Freedom of Speech. Although I may not agree with some perspectives voiced, the ability to voice contrary opinions is one of the fundamental cornerstones of our freedom. Free speech is not available in many countries. Especially to the extent we enjoy here in the USA. My comments were not jabs at anyone (well, maybe to rarsa they were -- JUST KIDDING), just my perspective on things.

[woodeye18]

John Murga, Thanks for your response. I was considering running the server part on a Linux box, rather than the Graphics intensive front end, but I believe you may be right regarding the complexity, especially for a newbie like me. Furthermore, a huge program like that may fly in the face of the philosophy of the small footprint of Puppy Linux. I liked the game and I love Puppy linux and thought I would toss the idea out there. Thanks for giving a definitive response to my inquiry.

Regarding the other recent comments, Your right it is rare to see someone come forward like that and it made me realize that the results were not by anyone's design, but when people are civil we can find reasonable common ground to come together and share ideas. Thats one reason I enjoy this site. Thanks for everyones help bringing along a newbie like me.

[puppypilgrim]

The civility here is a refreshing break from the golf forum I usually visit where the Non-Golf Related folder is full of bickering Republican conservatives and democrats.

Diversity and mutual respect are key to a pluralistic society. Another cheer for Puppy people!

[raffy]

Well, it may be literal here, but this game can be the "killer application" for getting young people onboard Linux. Consider Counter-Strike which has been around since 2000 - I go to different cities and it is still being played by teeners. It is not free.

I will check this game out and see how it works with Puppy.

Edit: From here, the system requirements for Linux are (Last Updated: 2005-05-13):

# Pentium3 766 (or equivalent)
# 128MB RAM
# glibc 2.1 or newer.
# Hardware accelerated OpenGL drivers (Nvidia's and XiG's are known to work)

[gliezl]

how about getting Enemy Territory to work in Puppy? Can someone make a HOWTO?

[Lobster]

If I tell lobster something critical about the german view of the british, there is a good chance, he will not feel offended (as he knows, it is not my goal to offend him).

Greets, Mark

A very good chance.
I am only ever offended by my self. People here are civil and Flash has rightly put a stop to a recent interesting and heated discussion because of its direction.

Some people (much wiser than me) choose not to discuss religion and politics. Bravo.

My religious views are so unorthodox that my (imaginary) psychiatrist has to have therapy just to councel me . . .

It is interesting that Babbs who is well versed in military connectivity is one of the politest and kindest Pups. This is not so strange. In Hinduism, devotees of Kali (a partcularly aggressive aspect of Deity) are reknowned for their sweet nature - as are experienced and dedicated martial artists.

In NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) this is a keynote
"The communication is in the response it elicits"
. . . in other words what you have said is dependent on what is heard by the listeners. Intention is not part of that result.

Speak as if you are the hearer and listen as if you are the speaker
Meanwhile . . .Be kind. It works.

and here are some simple pics on time travel . . .
http://www.zen45800.zen.co.uk/tmxx/dido.html