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zigbert


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Dec 2009, 20:05    Post_subject:  Puppy Stardust 001  

Puppy Stardust 001

Stardust 002 is release here

This is not built of woof
This is not a remaster
This is Puppy 4.3.1
...
Refined by the Stardust-generator-script.

Focus is desktop flow and user easiness.
- Desktop in DeepThougt taken to next stage.
- Cleanup in apps, menus and kilobytes.







BE AWARE!!!!
If you have Puppy installed, you MUST run this with the prefix 'puppy pfix=ram'. Else, the Stardust desktop will not install.


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username: puppy
password: linux

pup_stardust-001.iso (98Mb)



The following list shows many items that is taken out of the iso. But, it is not as critical as it seems. Most of these are tiny apps, and you have not been aware of many of them. Simply because other apps do the job.

The main programs that I have trashed is Geany and Isomaster which I think is developer tools. Also, Nicoedit and Pburn is doing their basics.

Aqualung has left, and Pmusic is back. Pmusic has evolved in both features and speed, so It is more a matter of longterm strategy. I hope it will be possible to build more around ffmpeg in the future. We could hopefully get rid of lidsnd, libsamplerate and maybe libxine...

Gadmin-Rsync is out as well, since it crashed on first run. I don't think Pbackup fill the backup issue completely. It would be wonderful if there exists a tiny but complete backup suit.

If you see something that you would have changed, added or removed, I will be very glad if you mentioned it. Because of my limited time, it would be best if you deliver the patch.... My knowledge of network/internet tools is close to zero, so these are nearly untouched.

It is easy to see possible improvements
- service manager
- icon theme in vector graphics for space saving.
- jwmconfig doesn't manage swallowed apps.
- alternative multimedia tools using ffmpeg.
- hunt more files we don't need.
- upgrade gui in some of the scripts.
- extend the control center.
- ...

This is meant to be a full featured user-oriented Puppy....Though, I have to admit that the biggest modem drivers is removed.

In the eager of removing files from the iso, I feel sure some should have been left... Wink



So what's added
- Stardust desktop environment - including pcc (Puppy control center) and Pwidgets
- Pwireless2
- ATI drivers
- Pmusic



And what does the Stardust-generator change

- Install desktop at first startup rather than keep it in the iso to save space
- snap desktop icons - medium grid
- simple Pmount facelift
- Xlock is fixed
- start pCD instead of defaultmediaplayer when click on audio-CD icon
- seamonkey buttons
- defaulttexteditor is changed from geany to nicoedit
- defaultaudioplayer is changed from aqualung to pmusic
- Updated P-series
- start timidity (if exist) daemon when alsa starts
- Net-setup goes to Pwireless2 for wireless configuration



And of course, something had to leave
*** Programs ***
- ptooltips - tool to show tooltips in gtkdialog - not longer in use
- gtklogfileviewer - Does any script use anymore ???
- aqualung
- libmad
- madplay
- burniso2cd
- cdp
- cgtkcalc
- e3
- gcolor2 (color chooser)
- gdmap
- geany - for developers
- gexec
- gfnrename - maybe better than PRename, but this is bash and easy updated.
- gtkdialog markup editor - devx ???
- Isomaster - developer app, and Pburn does the basics
- Net-setup (old version)
- pcdripper
- Pdisk - could maybe be in use by some wizard
- picpuz
- pictureviewer
- pmirror/mirdir
- pmwget (PMirrorget)
- PuppyPdf - Abiword does exactly the same
- Pwireless
- rsync / gadmin-rsync - crashes on first run
- tile
- waveplay - linked to aplay
- xAutoconnect - Pwireless2 should do the job
- xcalc
- xclipboard
- Xconsole
- xfontsel
- ycalc
- zfind
- sfconvert/sfinfo

*** Trimming ***
- cdrkit - Pburn has very few dependencies
- libsnd (only mhwaveedit (aqualung) use libsnd)

*** Control panel has ditched some ***
- countrywizard
- XserverWizard
- wizardwizard
- And plenty of menu items

*** Graphics ***
- All wallpapers
- some Gtk-themes
- All Icon-themes
- many mini-icons

*** misc ***
- some apps NOT in control center has also lost their place in the menu
--> sfs-version-converter - warnings pointing to it is changed.
--> Pstopwatch - Ptimer should be enough.
- some documentation files
- some audio files
- the biggest modem drivers
- many fixed fonts

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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 01:44    Post_subject:  

I downloaded Puppy Stardust 001 and ran it live for a good bit earlier tonight. It is a really nice looking release. Smile
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adi

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 03:51    Post_subject: stardust
Sub_title: md5
 

Does stardust have a md5 sum posted?
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 05:22    Post_subject:  

BE AWARE!!!!
If you have Puppy installed, you MUST run this with the prefix 'puppy pfix=ram'. Else, the Stardust desktop will not install.


That is a good warning. I would explain the reason . . but have not had my vitamin injection.
OK I'll try . . .
basically if you do not do this
the standard Puppy and Stardust will interact and save over each others save files
result = mashup (with lumps)

Even though Stardust looks good and Barry has mentioned it on his blog, the removal of Geany (a good decision for most users incidentally) and iso2cd is too much for me. I use both these programs.
One clever and useful thing is the removal of wallpaper for the tiny wallpapers as used in 4.2.

One of the first things people learn is how to add their own wallpaper.

As a barebones 4.3.1, this would make a great starter kit for specialised puplets.

Good luck with it Sigmund Smile

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timremy

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 07:56    Post_subject: stardust
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hello

i tried stardust from a usb stick and no problems.

the pwireless2 was nice and the display is nice.

the program ran itself, i just waited and everything

worked.

nice.


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01micko


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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 09:13    Post_subject:  

Hi Sigmund

Stardust is one very nice puplet for it's 98MiB. Very Happy .

The look and feel is very modern yet old school... does that make sense? I particularly like your Seamonkey theme.

One problem. I used the Control Panel to change the wallpaper and the file browser opened up in /root/.pwidgets. Confused I did add the weather widget before hand. Would that cause it?

Isn't Pwireless2 a nice app? Once it matures it will be wonderful, it connects with no fuss. I congratulated jemimah on her work and the inclusion in this puplet. It is also in dpup (next version).

Ok, enough for now, maybe more later.

Cheers

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 12:22    Post_subject: first look  

Hi Zigbert,

I just ran stardust-001 on this DELL 610 laptop. Most things look good. I was particularly impressed with the way Pburn is integrated into the system, so it appears as an option for opening ISO files.

Like Lobster, I have the habit of using burniso2cd regularly. With the option of burning multi-session, and the possibility of opening with a right-click, Pburn can be considered a complete replacement. Now, if only we could verify multi-session disks.

We're still resolving some issues with Pwireless2 and the connection wizard. If I hadn't been through it already, I would have been confused. When I configured wireless through the right-click option on the applet, it handled the Intel2915abg wireless well.

On this 1400x1050 screen, the side panel takes a lot of space. I'd like to be able to reduce that. (Under gkrellm I can change the width through the GUI. It also offers other flexibility, while limiting the number of processes. Admittedly, the appearance doesn't appeal to everyone.)

I was surprised that the gradient produced visible contours with 16 bit color. With 24 bit color, there were no contours on the main desktop, but the side panel still showed distracting lines.

Now, we get into something else. After seeing contours with 16 bit color, I rebooted without saving and used 24 bit color. When I went to shutdown and save, I got corrupted text console I couldn't use. This problem has showed up before for some problematic graphics chips. Here's what it's configured as:
Code:
#PuppyHardwareProfile=Intel_r_915GM_910ML_915MS_Graphics_ChipHF239_141P4
This laptop has a modern Intel chip set, but still has a 4:3 aspect ratio screen. (A "915" wide screen would be 1440x1024.)

Regards,

prehistoric

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 13:02    Post_subject:  

Fail: cant get my network printer to work nohow. Sad Otherwise, love it, but without a printer..................?
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 14:57    Post_subject:  

zigbert:
I saw this last night and downloaded it about 30 minutes after you posted. First impressions are it's a very welcome addition. I can see you've put a lot of thought and hard work into it. Thank you.

First niggle..it keeps saying it can't detect my wireless card, after a reboot or even restart of x-server. Probably because the card is lying in a draw in my desk. Smile

IMHO I wonder how many will ever use Secure ssh telnet, DidiWiki, and PPLOG.

I really like the Control Centre. As a result could the Menus in Setup be simplified by deleting all those Wizard entries.

Sorry but I don't like your Ptimer. Firstly I find the 3 secs delay from starting the Stopwatch to it starting to count problematic. I've never known any stopwatch do this before. When I tell it to start I'd like to do just that.
Secondly if I set an alarm and then do a stop watch countdown the displays go a bit berzerk.
Thirdly if I set countdown to countdown for X seconds, I don't expect it to count down 3 secs and then count up for X seconds.
Sorry to be blunt but am just giving you one person's opinion FWIW.

I agree with prehistoric that the pwidgets panel takes up quite a bit of screen real-estate. This is on my 1024x768 display. I hope it will be possible to change this.

But overall, as I said above, I think this is an excellent piece of work for which many thanks.

Dave
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 15:01    Post_subject:  

adi:
From my download (which is setup and working fine) I get an MD5 sum of
Quote:
3972AE2FE11E2CAE54401E7269A7C2B2


Hopefully you'll have the same but if not hopefully someone else here will be good enough to confirm mine (or otherwise).

HTH
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 17:43    Post_subject:  

adi wrote:
Does stardust have a md5 sum posted?
3972ae2fe11e2cae54401e7269a7c2b2 pup_stardust-001.iso

Lobster wrote:
the removal of Geany (a good decision for most users incidentally) and iso2cd is too much for me
I use geany daily as well, but I don't find it too hard installing it Smile
Prehistoric answered the love of iso2cd.
prehistoric wrote:
Like Lobster, I have the habit of using burniso2cd regularly. With the option of burning multi-session, and the possibility of opening with a right-click, Pburn can be considered a complete replacement. Now, if only we could verify multi-session disks.


01micko wrote:
I particularly like your Seamonkey theme.
ttuuxxx made those initially for Puppy 4.2.1

01micko wrote:
I used the Control Panel to change the wallpaper and the file browser opened up in /root/.pwidgets.
I thought I have fixed that, - must have slipped my typing Embarassed

prehistoric wrote:
Now, if only we could verify multi-session disks.
I still believe one smart puppy-dude fixes this some day...

prehistoric wrote:
the side panel takes a lot of space. I'd like to be able to reduce that.
I guess you are aware of the different panels. They don't need to as mature as the default. It is also possible to use Pwidgets without any background panel. The size of the widgets are of course also possible to reduce, but you need to edit the config files. Available from menu.

prehistoric wrote:
This laptop has a modern Intel chip set, but still has a 4:3 aspect ratio screen. (A "915" wide screen would be 1440x1050.)
Does the intel915 chipset work well on Puppy 4.3.1. Tempestuous has patched the 915 driver. See http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=32462

DaveS wrote:
cant get my network printer to work nohow.
If this works in Puppy 4.3.1 blame me. I have removed some files that I shouldn't Smile Any terminal output that tells what's wrong/missing?

davesurrey wrote:
First niggle..it keeps saying it can't detect my wireless card, after a reboot or even restart of x-server. Probably because the card is lying in a draw in my desk.
The message is produced by Pwireless2, and I hope jemimah will deal with this. It is under heavy development. Please tell about this in the Pwireless thread.

davesurrey wrote:
IMHO I wonder how many will ever use Secure ssh telnet, DidiWiki, and PPLOG.
Do others have opinions about this?

davesurrey wrote:
Sorry but I don't like your Ptimer.
I have to admit I agree fully with you. Please point me to an alternative, and I'll be glad to trash Ptimer/pStopwatch.
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 18:42    Post_subject: test on second laptop Dell D600  

Zigbert,

I'm now running stardust 001 on a "disposable laptop", i.e. one without sensitive data or resale value. This is a Dell D600 with no disk drive. (I may even have blown the interface during some experiments.) I boot off a USB flash drive which stays in my pocket when not in use.

I just set this up for a friend who is a photographer. He is used to Firefox, and wants to use GIMP, so these are on his desktop, and very little else. After setting up the firewall, I decided to remove the connect icon. (Too much confusion between that and pwireless2 for a neophyte. ) I've set the wireless profiles for my network and what I believe is the one he uses. I'll test that tonight.

Possible bugs:

I was not able to remaster or save to CD. I need to swap drives and check that this is not the problem. The drive on which I burned the CD (multi-session) is supposed to be identical. I was able to use the universal installer to put the system on the USB flash drive and created a pupsave file.

When you removed the network time synchronization application, the corresponding button on the puppy control panel naturally stopped working. If you don't restore that application, you need to bring up a message explaining what is missing. This might be a general answer for a number of options not always installed.

The battery bar pwidget in the side panel does not update properly. It gets a value at the time it is installed, and just seems to sit there afterward. I noticed the jwm applet at 86% while the battery bar read 97%. I also had trouble setting up the Sun pwidget, which may be inexperience. (Photographers are specially interested in times of sunrise/sunset.)

Opinions:

zigbert wrote:

davesurrey wrote:

IMHO I wonder how many will ever use Secure ssh telnet, DidiWiki, and PPLOG.

Do others have opinions about this?
I agree. These are simply not things typical non-technical users even ask about. Technical types have their own ideas about how to accomplish these functions. These should be packaged, not stuck in every puplet.

For a release 001, this is a very good puplet.
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 19:10    Post_subject: Re: test on second laptop Dell D600  

prehistoric wrote:
... I also had trouble setting up the Sun pwidget, which may be inexperience. (Photographers are specially interested in times of sunrise/sunset.)...
The Sun pwidget was the result of my stumbling scripting Shocked Smile , ask away, and I'll try to help...

rgds Smile /
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 20:45    Post_subject:  

zigbert wrote
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Please point me to an alternative, and I'll be glad to trash Ptimer/pStopwatch


Zigbert I hope you weren't offended by my honest comments about Ptimer. Not suggesting you trash anything. I was just trying to contribute some personal feedback.

I was under the impression that Ptimer/Pcountdown was yours so it would be the natural thing to feedback user comments to the developer.

If you seriously are not happy with the app and really do agree with what I wrote I would have thought you would be able to change things. But of course it's up to you.

JFYI as a countdown timer 01micko's PCountdown Timer gives me (and I accept this is my singular opinion) all I need and more. (see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47834)

And gstpw is a small simple stopwatch. (see comments on Barry's blog 11 oct09)
Sorry, no idea about an alarm clock as I never use a PC for that.

HTH
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 22:09    Post_subject: Re: Sun pwidget  

MinHundHettePerro wrote:
...The Sun pwidget was the result of my stumbling scripting Shocked Smile , ask away, and I'll try to help...

rgds Smile /
MHHP
Could you confirm that it is able to handle west longitudes? Does it always require a sign? Can it handle a + sign, even if this isn't necessary?

I got the local latitude and longitude, but after several experiments I wasn't at all sure which way was considered positive. I'm also confused about the sign of the offset from GMT. About half the time people use the offset, and half the time the correction to apply. Whatever I did, it resulted in an empty display for both sunrise and sunset times. No matter what the machine thinks, I'm sure I saw the Sun today.

(It might be better to use radio buttons for N/S and E/W, then users can be sure of the direction. I'm also a little unsure about why I might want to use an arbitrary timezone anywhere on earth instead of my own. Why not default to the local timezone and let users increment/decrement from there? )
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