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nubc


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Dec 2009, 23:36    Post subject:  deleted files not retained in trash  

One would expect that the trash would hold discarded files until the user manually deletes or empties the trash. But by default, trash does not serve as temporary holding for discarded files. Apparently, deleted files go directly to unused disk space, and are unrecoverable by conventional means. How do I adjust settings so that the trash can works like Recycle Bin?
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 00:12    Post subject:  

Maybe this can help:

file:///usr/local/apps/Trash/Help/help.html

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 04:12    Post subject:  

Sorry, that URL comes up "page not found" on my full install of 2.17.1, and I cannot navigate to the location with ROX because it doesn't exist. Question: What is the point of a trash can that doesn't hold trash?
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WhoDo


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PostPosted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 07:27    Post subject:  

nubc wrote:
Question: What is the point of a trash can that doesn't hold trash?

Puppy Linux is about choice. If you choose to "delete" something in Puppy Linux the system does exactly what you tell it to do! OTOH, if you aren't sure whether you want to delete an item completely you can "move" it to Trash by dragging and dropping in which case the item will be preserved for later deletion (on your command) when you are really sure.

Just like "No" means no, "Delete" means delete in Puppy Linux. You have the choice to either delete immediately or hold items in trash for later deletion.

In Ubuntu that choice is removed from the options menu. The only option is to move an item to trash. That makes deletion a two-step process for everyone; no choice. That's not the Puppy way.

In Windows, the "choice" is much more confusing. Delete from the local hard drive and it goes to trash. Delete from a removable or network drive and it gets deleted immediately, bypassing trash with no warning.

There, in a nutshell, are your three different ways to implement trash. Which would you prefer? I prefer the Puppy Linux way of giving me the clear and unequivocal choice.

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DemostiX

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 09:39    Post subject:
Subject description: Hardly an appropriate comparison
 

Whodo:

The OP's implicit request, IMO, is not an unreasonable one. Drag'ndrop is often clumsy. Saying that Puppy offers a choice which would often for users be tedious -to-impossible to implement cannot be a real choice or the last word. It certainly cannot be celebrated as "choice."

With all respect: MS is not the only OS for which marking for deletion on local drives may be final (sort of) on remote drives. On OS/2 - eComstation, files can be so marked; and configuration of the gui permits inclusion in all drop-down menus of an entry for "final deletion" at least when using the system file-manager, But, even the "marking-as-trash' came later, a response to user needs satisfied in other desktops.

Couldn't you say, instead,that this is something for a developer's or developers' council future-features list, priority to be determined? And isn't is possible that a file manager besides ROX already works this way?
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rjbrewer


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PostPosted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 09:48    Post subject:  

nubc wrote:
Sorry, that URL comes up "page not found" on my full install of 2.17.1, and I cannot navigate to the location with ROX because it doesn't exist. Question: What is the point of a trash can that doesn't hold trash?


I don't know about 2.17; with anything modern:
r-click trash
app dir trash>look inside
click help
click help.html

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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 11:22    Post subject:  

Within "X File Explorer" [Xfe]...
When you right-click on an object [folder or file]...
You are offered the opportunity [among many others]...
To either "Move to trash" or "Delete". Very Happy
And they are right beside each other on the context menu. Cool
You are asked to confirm the choice.
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nubc


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PostPosted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 12:21    Post subject:  

I'd be happy if "Move to trash" were added to the context menu in ROX.
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Oakems

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 13:13    Post subject:  

I'm not sure how it is with 2.17.1, but in 4.2 DeeperThought there is a symlink in each folder named "Send To Trash" in this directory; /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith/

Scrap that! It'll take you forever putting symlinks to the Trash folder in each separate individual directory. So instead, right-click on the type of file you wish to move to the trash (plain text file for example). When the menu comes up (I think it'll be the second entry down, the one that'll give you options for that file you've just right-clicked on) hopefully there'll be an option saying "Customize Menu..." Click on that and a window will open. Now simply drag the trash folder to that window and create an absolute symlink (I haven't tried this with a relative symlink), you can then rename it "Move To Trash" if you wish, but this is not mandatory. Now the next time you right-click on any plain text file, you'll have the option of moving it to the trash. Simply repeat the process for each type of file you'd like to have this option.

Like I say, I'm running Puppy 4.2, so it may not be the same for you, and please test this on an unimportant file that you don't mind losing. (I created a text file to test this with and it works in 4.2)
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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Dec 2009, 14:20    Post subject:  

Why not just install and use Xfe?
It's a really GREAT file explorer.

Install both Fox-library and Xfe using the links provided here.
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fobq

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2014, 07:57    Post subject:  

hi,
what is ~/.local/share/trash used for? It seems to me there are some files I deleted earlier. This folder occupies 79MB.

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mikeb


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2014, 08:08    Post subject:  

same as trash on windows.... only empty trash truly deletes files so might explain where your space is going.

Use right click delete if you really want to get rid of stuff..

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fobq

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2014, 10:50    Post subject:  

I always delete files rigth click>delete (or CTRL-X), not > remove to trash.
And what about my Trash icon on the desktop, it points to ~/.Trash but it is empty.

I am confused with this Trash.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2014, 13:34    Post subject:  

~/.local/share/trash

perhaps you tried a different window manager... or file manager.... or underwear...

delete it?

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fobq

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2014, 16:27    Post subject:  

I use ROX filer
I deleted the content of that Trash, but I still have (by 100 MB) less free space, than two days earlier, however I installed nothing.
The usr/lib seems to be all right, the last modification in that library happened on 3rd of January.

oops, the second part of the post to here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=62110&start=60
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