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BarryK
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan 2010, 06:23    Post_subject:  Quirky 003 feedback  

I announced Quirky 003 here:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01312

003 has a pretty radical architecture for multimedia. See blog posts:
Mozplugger: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01317
Swfdec: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01311
Mozplugger: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01310
Pmusic: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01309
Ffmpeg: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01307
Ogle: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01305
Fundamentals: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01304
Swfdec: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01299
Swfdec: http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01298

Anyone wanting to pitch in an help test and improve this new architecture, you're welcome!

I have started this thread for any feedback related to Quirky 003.

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan 2010, 08:51    Post_subject:  

Ah ha, now we have the critical motive: opera10.10-portable fails to recognise the swfdec plugin*%!...
But opera fans will not be railroaded into using seamonkey so easily as opera can add additional plugin paths outside of the quirkysave, and play the omelette.swf regardless ho ho ho

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan 2010, 17:00    Post_subject: new version of Quirky
Sub_title: Problems with new versions
 

using new Quirky
I have found that when going to a new version of Quirky, that you need to start fresh. It does not play well with anything that is from an earlier Quirky. If you remove any saved Quirky sfs files or hard drive installs and start fresh, allot of the problems that you are having will not happen.

Barry: do not know if this should have to be done, but I have had much better luck getting things to work, by doing a clean fresh install, with each new Quirky.
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Posted on 6 Jan 2010, 8:37 by BarryK
Start fresh
Yeah, each of these Quirky builds is so different, that it is better to start fresh each time.

I'll only start paying attention to upgradeability when/if Quirky gets to alpha or beta status.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan 2010, 21:04    Post_subject:  

Hi I'm just wondering why Quirky2&3 both for some odd reason gives a black background behind the menu icons, is this on purpose? I tried to fix it by changing jwm, xdgmenus and nothing, is libpng faulty? am I overlooking a setting?, is it xorg? whats up with it?.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan 2010, 21:35    Post_subject:  

Icons are normal here on Quirky 003. Smile

As I posted on the blog, 003 is the first Quirky to allow the correct resolution with my onboard Intel 810 graphics.....
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan 2010, 21:41    Post_subject:  

hmmm I'm starting to think its a Xorg issue, never had before with other puppy versions.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan 2010, 23:02    Post_subject: Re: new version of Quirky
Sub_title: Problems with new versions
 

bigpup wrote:
. . .you need to start fresh


Indeed
I tried puppy pfix=ram
. . . and just remembered it is quirky pfix=ram
no wonder it picked up all my old quirky settings and did an update . . .

I need to get rid of:
quirkysave.2fs
quirky-001.sfs
quirky-002.sfs

As it was I could not view a flash file from Youtube - started got about 5 secs and then stopped
or an ASF video file I had just recorded

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan 2010, 23:21    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
hmmm I'm starting to think its a Xorg issue, never had before with other puppy versions.
ttuuxxx


ttuuxxx,
What video hardware do you have?

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan 2010, 23:27    Post_subject: Re: new version of Quirky
Sub_title: Problems with new versions
 

Lobster wrote:
As it was I could not view a flash file from Youtube - started got about 5 secs and then stopped
or an ASF video file I had just recorded


That's strange. I'm running 003 right now, just confirmed that Flash plays at youtube. Every Flash video I have tried so far, works.

I wonder if you also have a problem with your Xorg video driver. What video hardware do you have?

You could try running the xorgwizard script and choose the 'vesa' generic driver, then see if that makes any difference to playing Flash.
Up until recently I was using the 'vesa' driver and the Flash player worked fine.

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jan 2010, 23:45    Post_subject:  

(cough)
perhaps we could have the default keyboard set to australian keyboard (doesnt even exist in the menu at present)and similarly, the default language set to okka-ish or if you must australian english. time zone defaults are ok.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jan 2010, 00:20    Post_subject:  

BarryK wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
hmmm I'm starting to think its a Xorg issue, never had before with other puppy versions.
ttuuxxx


ttuuxxx,
What video hardware do you have?


Hi barry my video card is NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT pci-express
http://www.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=Blx8W2DaqhNeKXug&content=specifications
GeForce 8500 GT specs
Specifications
Graphics Engine GeForce 8500GT
Video Memory 512MB DDR2
Engine Clock 459MHz
Memory Clock 666MHz (333MHz DDR2)
Memory Interface 128-bit
CRT Max Resolution 2048x1536
Bus Standard PCI Express X16
D-Sub Output YES
HDTV Output (YPbPr) YES, via HDTV Out cable
TV Output YES, via S-Video to Composite
DVI Output DVI-I
Adapter/Cable Bundled DVI-to-2nd VGA adapter
HDTV-out cable
Software Bundled ASUS Utilities & Driver

I/O Specifications
PCI-Express
HDCP Compliant
HDTV-out
DVI-I
Dual VGA
Accessories

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jan 2010, 01:03    Post_subject:  

and this is the bottom of my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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#everything past here is auto-generated by Puppy's Xorg Wizard...


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
Option "XkbLayout" "us" #xkeymap0
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" #mouse0protocol
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
#Option "Emulate3Buttons"
#Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" #scrollwheel
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName "Monitor Model"
HorizSync 31.5-48.5
VertRefresh 40-70
#UseModes "Modes0" #monitor0usemodes
Option "PreferredMode" "1024x768"
EndSection

Section "Modes"
Identifier "Modes0"
#modes0modeline0
EndSection

Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option "SWcursor" # [<bool>]
#Option "HWcursor" # [<bool>]
#Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>]
#Option "ShadowFB" # [<bool>]
#Option "UseFBDev" # [<bool>]
#Option "Rotate" # [<str>]
#Option "VideoKey" # <i>
#Option "FlatPanel" # [<bool>]
#Option "FPDither" # [<bool>]
#Option "CrtcNumber" # <i>
#Option "FPScale" # [<bool>]
#Option "FPTweak" # <i>
#Option "DualHead" # [<bool>]
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "vesa" #card0driver
VendorName "Unknown Vendor"
BoardName "Unknown Board"
BusID "PCI:2:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768"
EndSubsection
EndSection

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jan 2010, 01:56    Post_subject:  

ttuuxx, I had this issue here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=46266

So it appeared with Ati-cards, after upgrading Puppys inbuilt xserver 1.5 to 1.6.3, and adding also the updated libdrm and xorg drivers, and opengl (mesa).

I wonder, which of these components causes the black icon backgrounds...

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jan 2010, 02:27    Post_subject: Slow Screen Redraw / jerky video after screen rotation
Sub_title: Slow Screen Redraw / jerky video after screen rotation
 

Barry,

I'm having slow screen redraw / jerky video playback after using xrandr to rotate the screen by 90 degree on a Intel 945GM Platform. I'm using VLC 0.9.2 to do the video playback.

Any idea what can be done to improve the situation?

Attached is the xorg log file.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jan 2010, 02:31    Post_subject:  

Quote:
I wonder if you also have a problem with your Xorg video driver. What video hardware do you have?


Did a fresh run after removing old quirky files

The built in video hardware (on motherboard) is
NVIDIA Geforce7050PV/GeForce7025

As far as I remember it worked in 24 bit colour mode
in the previous Quirky
This time I had to drop to 16 bit
using the xorgwizard

ASF not working in Ogle
The Flash player works with intermittent sound for about 5 seconds
then the flash image stops - sound gets weird then stutters, then stops - whilst the sound is grinding to a halt a few still images from the flash video appear on screen - so it is not streaming properly (or something)
The browser is frozen and I have to restart x to clear it

Update
Ok changed the driver (in the config file) from nv to vesa
Now the flash video played Cool
It did pause and drop a few frames every 5 secs (so still not quite there) but sound and video played to the end and no browser crash

Update 2
Ah forgot to mention the screen bleaching is still there
left the computer -
came back all icons and screen has a bleached out appearance

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