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JohnMurga
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jan 2006, 15:59    Post subject:  Bandwidth problems ...  

Hi,

I just received the following notification :

Code:
Bandwidth Notification
 
Bandwidth used: 42.112 GB
Bandwidth limit: 40 GB
 
Total over: 2.112 GB
Cost/GB: $5.00
 
Cost of bandwidth for December 2005: $10.56 US
 
Canadian customers will also be charged GST.


The costs don't really bother me, and I really put this down to people being off and browsing more over the Christmas period, however, this may become a problem in the future.

In the short term I have deleted the 128Mb "Mean" Puppy from the site to decrease usage, if you have a mirror for this file please add it to this post.

Cheers
JohnM
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MU


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jan 2006, 16:34    Post subject:  

I sent you a PM.
http://dotpups.de/murga/

Greets, Mark
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raffy

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jan 2006, 03:39    Post subject: Bracing for the numbers  

The forum reached another record number of users today - this must be a pattern to expect this year. Already, enthusiasts are mentioning being timed out in the Forum.

I guess enthusiasts could localize the presence of Puppy and put up their own help sites, and offer service support for Puppy. This service support could earn its own revenue in the way of copyleft (see gnu.org). This Forum can focus on cutting-edge developments.

My $.02 Smile
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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jan 2006, 05:39    Post subject: already mirrored  

[url]puptrix.org[/url]
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kethd

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jan 2006, 13:38    Post subject:  

John,
Please keep making whatever changes you have to, to keep the cost reasonable for you -- moving any large downloads to elsewhere seems like a good idea.

I'm worried that you could have gotten a much bigger surprise, at $5/GB. Can you get them to auto-throttle daily at midnight, to keep within the 40GB/mon?

But if the issue is just being able to support as many users as want/need the Forum, I think we need to find the resources to fulfill that. Is there currently a hard limit on number of forum users at once? How often is it reached?
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Alucard_the_dex


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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jan 2006, 14:33    Post subject:  

Im on often enough to notice theres usualy about 6-20 users online at a time to my knowledge. Im also not a large fan of the hard limit.
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JohnMurga
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jan 2006, 15:11    Post subject:  

I am monitoring the situation, I don't see limits as a viable option.

I am hoping that with the ISO's off the site the levels will become resonable.

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JohnM
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J_Rey


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jan 2006, 22:56    Post subject:  

I am receiving reports on IRC that this forum has been down (again), so I was wondering can we transfer (redirect) this forum to forum.puppylinux.org and combine our resources? John, Raffy, Barry, others?
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J_Rey


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jan 2006, 23:19    Post subject: Re: Bracing for the numbers  

raffy wrote:
The forum reached another record number of users today - this must be a pattern to expect this year.


I agree. I've noticed a noticable increase in visitors to our IRC channel since the release of 1.0.7. I wouldn't expect Puppy interest to stop growing in the near future. So we especially need to resolve this before Puppy Linux 2.0.0 is released!

Also, I heard from a reliable source that we are in a unique niche, because of some problems with other popular LiveCD distros. For example, things are going bad behind the scenes with D.S.L., Feather's lead developer quit, and everything else is three times the size or no X or in alpha.
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kethd

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jan 2006, 08:12    Post subject:  

In the short term, it sounds like we can get by, by just reducing any attachment/upload/download traffic on the Forum site.

In the long run, we need a robust Forum infrastructure that can handle growth to at least an order of magnitude more than the current usage. And we need portability/disentaglement/redundancy of the Forum from anything else. And maybe some of us will have to pledge a few dollars a month to support this? Well, we need to have access to the bandwidth/usage statistics to have a real discussion...

If I were a heavy user of the Forum, and used 1MB/day 20 days per month, that would be 20MB/month. We are a long way from having 1000 such users, so as long as the Forum traffic is kept tightly focused on text msg content, 20GB of traffic sounds within the range of a Benevolent Benefactor, so we don't have to get tangled up with money matters at the group level.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jan 2006, 10:07    Post subject:  

Anyway, John, I'll pay for your surcharge, out of the donations and cd sales. ...as long as it doesn't get out of hand of course!

Let me know your PayPal email address. I can send you a donation every three months or so.

Note, servage.net accounts now have a 500G per month download limit ...that's about 16G per day!
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Ted puptrix Dog
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jan 2006, 20:12    Post subject: Still have Large BW unused  

Well, I would like to help. Custom Pups are not on the rise just yet last count puptrix had used only 5% of its 1000G limit and thats the largest usage in a ten day period.
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jan 2006, 21:05    Post subject:  

JohnMurga wrote:
I am hoping that with the ISO's off the site the levels will become resonable.

kethd wrote:
In the short term, it sounds like we can get by, by just reducing any attachment/upload/download traffic on the Forum site.

It looks to me like the forum attachments alone are quite a lot of potential traffic already (check the new index in preparation at http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=49 ), so moving the isos and maybe other downloads (?) on the murga space to other mirrors is a very reasonable step. There are also quite a number of attachments that could be removed e.g. since they are outdated by newer versions - but I guess those are rarely downloaded so they only block some space on the server but cause no traffic.
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raffy

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jan 2006, 21:07    Post subject: Pups Pages  

Thanks, Ted. Actually, if your hosting has PHP and MySQL support, we can host sites of pup projects there. Servage.net offers large bandwidth quota, but it seems to be doing throttling. For example, after accessing a page with many images this morning, I could no longer access the other sites of puppylinux.org (or maybe it is my ISP doing the throttling, or servage.net is down?). The demo site I was trying to test is

http://puppylinux.org/members/demo
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jan 2006, 21:10    Post subject: Yes I have php mysql, perl, curl, imagemagik  

I have done limited PHP and mySQL on my former host
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