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#136 Post by Béèm »

Ok ttuuxxx, comprende.
Following a SeaMonkey news group, I'll raise this issue there for the SeaMonkey 2.0.3 (of which I made the screenshot)
I'll try to find out when SeaMonkey will act like FF.
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#137 Post by ttuuxxx »

Béèm wrote:Ok ttuuxxx, comprende.
Following a SeaMonkey news group, I'll raise this issue there for the SeaMonkey 2.0.3 (of which I made the screenshot)
I'll try to find out when SeaMonkey will act like FF.
I bet dial-up users love Firefox over Seamonkey when it comes to updates updates :)
I like the silent updates Firefox does, usually it just says "Firefox has updated, please restart the browser to view the updates" or something like that.
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#138 Post by Minnesota »

To add my 2 cents.....

I use Firefox exclusively in the x system.. except on rare occasions will I use IE.... I installed a puppy a year ago to a client out of town. They had someone load Firefox...as that is what they were used to as their main system has Firefox.

In other words.... much of the world is familiar with Firefox... especially refugees from the other side.

All that said... do you know off hand how much of the background code is the same? Is it possible to have both Firefox and Seamonkey in the ISO, if say 70-90% of the background code is the same? Assume for a minute it is the same, the extra overhead could be justified.

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#139 Post by Béèm »

ttuuxxx wrote:
Béèm wrote:Ok ttuuxxx, comprende.
Following a SeaMonkey news group, I'll raise this issue there for the SeaMonkey 2.0.3 (of which I made the screenshot)
I'll try to find out when SeaMonkey will act like FF.
I bet dial-up users love Firefox over Seamonkey when it comes to updates updates :)
I like the silent updates Firefox does, usually it just says "Firefox has updated, please restart the browser to view the updates" or something like that.
ttuuxxx
Yes I know how FF works.
But sometimes when I want to do something quick with FF it can take some 15 minutes to update, addons included, and restart FF befoe i have the FF functioning.
This is a minus for me.
I do SeaMonkey updates, when I am ready for it and when I want it to be done.
I hate the 'big company' approach. :wink:
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#140 Post by technosaurus »

the largest file is libxul.so and they are typically NOT compatible

it is possible to build without libxul and have quite a few compatible libs, but...

the increased size from all the extra individual libs negates a lot of that

it was planned for all mozilla components to be able run on a shared libxul, but I don't know if they will ever achieve it, because it no longer seems to be that important to the devs

there are quite a few other non-lib files that can be shared though (even by other programs - hunspell dictionaries for instance can be used by enchant via the myspell plugin if linked to /usr/share/enchant/{myspell,hunspell})

so... technically yes but not enough to make a big enough difference to include both... then we would just get a different set of complaints (I wanted to start FF but sm did instead and vice versa ... this is default not that - why? etc...)

Firefox-3.6 has been running great for me and all the kb shortcuts that ie users are used that don't work in sm work as expected by default (for example F5 to refresh and ctrl+enter in the address bar to add http:// and .com)
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#141 Post by nooby »

I hope you chose FF as the default browser. Those who need seamonkey are good at installing things while the most immigraters from windows are not and do expect Puppy to have Firefox.

Just my two cents as we say.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#142 Post by technosaurus »

All this talk about updates got me thinking - we really do not have an update notification system

It could be as simple as diff, wget and an updates file and a bash script.

update file at a fixed location containing:
|pkg1|url|description of update
|pkg2|url|description of update

cd ~/.updates

wget -c http://url.of/updatefile

[ `diff updatefile myupdates` != "" ]

#... parse the diff for new updates
#... show dialog for updates to install
#echo |pkg|url|description of update >>myupdates
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#143 Post by 01micko »

Hi, so Firefox looks like it, that's fine.

So what mail prog? Sylpheed? And Abiword does html editing?.. that should bring down the iso size without the seamonkey suite.
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#144 Post by technosaurus »

the update reminded me of my first Puppy project called "the Pound" after using Puppy for only ~6 months... the concepts eventually became integrated into the web desktop and abandoned, but I think the ideas could be integrated into an update menu similar to the way zigbert has the program menu setup... and go back to the traditional menu setup with submenus coming off of it instead.

If anyone wants a laugh at it, its still here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35999
(Note: it is barely alpha quality and will replace your jwmrc template so pfix=ram is advisable)
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#145 Post by technosaurus »

some firefox addons other than the traditional ones that have been in sm:

Puppy Personas
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... t=personas

System Video
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/83149
Modifies html5 video to use the old-style browser plugins, helpful for websites that use unsupported codecs.

MediaPlayerConnectivity
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446
Allow you to launch embed video of website in an external application with a simple click ...

ImTranslator 3.3.3
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2257
ImTranslator includes Online Translator in 1640 language combinations and many text2speech as well

fasterfox
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/14833

foxtabs - 3d speed dial
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8879

Google docs viewer
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/48971
view DOC, DOCX, PDF, PPT and TIFF

zoho tools
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3328
The extension works for .doc, .docx, .rtf, .sxw, .odt for Documents, .xls, .xlsx, .sxc for Spreadsheets & .ppt, .pps, .sxi for Presentation. The files get opened using Zoho Writer for document files, Zoho Sheet for spreadsheets & Zoho Show for presentations.
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#146 Post by esmourguit »

Bonjour à tous
Just information.
I just made an update from Seamonkey 2.02 to 2.03 in the same way as firefox. Update is automatic. We must restart Seamonkey after the update.
Such update is not possible with Seamonkey 1.x.x
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#147 Post by richard.a »

I also agree about Firefox. Those we are targetting use IE or maybe Firefox. NEVER Seamonkey. A few may remember Netscape which is where Mozilla came from, of course.

I have not been able to install Firefox to ANY 4.3 series. With a gig of RAM, whether Live or installed to a partition several gigs in size - it says insufficient memory. I have caps by the way). However 4.2/4.2.1 and the beautiful 2.14 with the VW, magnificent, and it will upgrade itself to 3.5.whatever with no fuss.

I don't accept that it does it automatically. It has always asked me.

Save space by not installing an email program. Provide two links for firefox - one for gmail login, the other for using the firefox "simple mail" add-on (and install it).

Install the Firefox add-ons called FireFTP and FlashBlock. The second will speed up installations on older boxen, and the first means you can leave out an FTP client

Leave out the IM client, and in its place do another firefox link to Meebo which is a cloud located multiple social networking client where THEY keep the configuration up to date. Yahoo changed again and I don't have an individual IM client on any system on any computer any more as a result. Someone on these forums criticised me for mentioning Gaim is dead some months back; well it doesn't bother me that much :)

Install Skype. People who frequent the online environment use it. Not relevant if the devs would rather have something that is pure open source. People online use skype. It annoys me that I have to jump through hoops to install skype on puppy.

There are other points I could make but after last time I don't think I could bother. However I'm attempting to create a sort of standard old computer updating service and if anyone is interested to look, I have just an "advisory" front page at www.oldcomputersnew.southaust.net

I'll watch for a while and see if anyone comments

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#148 Post by Béèm »

ttuuxxx wrote:
Béèm wrote:Ok ttuuxxx, comprende.
Following a SeaMonkey news group, I'll raise this issue there for the SeaMonkey 2.0.3 (of which I made the screenshot)
I'll try to find out when SeaMonkey will act like FF.
I bet dial-up users love Firefox over Seamonkey when it comes to updates updates :)
I like the silent updates Firefox does, usually it just says "Firefox has updated, please restart the browser to view the updates" or something like that.
ttuuxxx
Dear ttuuxxx,
I can 'happily' tell you that you live in prehistoric times, SeaMonkey wise. :wink:
As SeaMonkey and FF are growing closer to each other, the SeaMonkey 2.x.x does have the same update strategy as FF.
So that's one argument going away. 8)
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#149 Post by ttuuxxx »

Béèm wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
Béèm wrote:Ok ttuuxxx, comprende.
Following a SeaMonkey news group, I'll raise this issue there for the SeaMonkey 2.0.3 (of which I made the screenshot)
I'll try to find out when SeaMonkey will act like FF.
I bet dial-up users love Firefox over Seamonkey when it comes to updates updates :)
I like the silent updates Firefox does, usually it just says "Firefox has updated, please restart the browser to view the updates" or something like that.
ttuuxxx
Dear ttuuxxx,
I can 'happily' tell you that you live in prehistoric times, SeaMonkey wise. :wink:
As SeaMonkey and FF are growing closer to each other, the SeaMonkey 2.x.x does have the same update strategy as FF.
So that's one argument going away. 8)
I guess we'll tell with the next update
when I updated Firefox 3.5.7 to 3.5.8 it was a 680kb download, have you seen any seamonkey update sizes? I really haven't used Seamonkey 2, I did a bit in the earlier alpha stages and that was about it.
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#150 Post by nooby »

I kind soul did link me to a Seamonkey 2.something and I tried to get it taken on Choice pup but that did not work.

It was 15mb big as pet.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
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#151 Post by technosaurus »

ttuuxxx wrote: I bet dial-up users love Firefox over Seamonkey when it comes to updates updates :)
I like the silent updates Firefox does, usually it just says "Firefox has updated, please restart the browser to view the updates" or something like that.
ttuuxxx
To be honest - dialup users would probably prefer opera (out of the box at least) for the turbo feature - regardless of updates (I have gotten 10.5 testing down to a 7MB rox app pet with english locales and no unite now that it is gtk based) ... I don't think the fasterfox addon does as well as turbo - my understanding is that opera servers compress the data, so websites that are already compressed will not see much improvement, but it doesn't seem like very many are. Unfortunately there are still some annoying bugs in opera that would annoy intermediate to advanced users... like adding url tags in the forum (it drops the beginning tag)
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#152 Post by Béèm »

@ttuuxxx and others,
I just installed SeaMonkey 2.0.3, so I can't testify myself, but a while ago esmourguit confirmed the update in SeaMonkey is automatic, like in FF. :D
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#153 Post by FlyingRedGoat »

Honestly, I see very little difference between browsers. Everyone has a favorite, but as far as I can see, they all do the job. Some are better at some things (size, stability, etc), but they can all do the job. I don't think we can go wrong regardless of the one chosen.

The only thing I would request would be a personal bookmarks toolbar. These are missing in the official releases (cept 4.21 :) ), and they are quite handy.

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#154 Post by abushcrafter »

Here is my Firefox config:

Generated: Sat Mar 06 2010 22:06:49 GMT+0800
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6
Build ID: 20100115133306

Enabled Extensions: [40]
- Adblock Plus 1.1.3 - Ads were yesterday!
- ArchView 0.7.1 - View archive file online!
- Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 - Fill out web forms automatically
- Autohide 1.8.1
- British English Dictionary 1.19
- CheckPlaces 2.1.0 - Checks bookmarks are valid
- CoLT 2.4.6 - Makes it easy to copy link text and locations.
- Console² 0.5 - The next generation error console.
- Dafizilla ViewSourceWith 0.5.4 - View page source with external application
- Extended Statusbar 1.5.4 - A Statusbar with speed, percentage, time and loaded size (similar to Opera's one).
- Filter Extensions 1.0.3.6 - Adds a search box and a filter drop-down to the Addons window, to filter your installed extensions.
- Firebug 1.5.2 - Web Development Evolved.
- FlashGot 1.2.1.15 - Enables single and massive ("all" and "selection") downloads using the most popular external download managers for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux and FreeBSD (dozens currently supported, see Extension's Home Page for details). FlashGot offers also a Build Gallery functionality which helps to synthetize full media galleries in one page from serial contents originally scattered on several pages, for easy and fast "download all".
- Hide Find Bar 1.3.1 - Hide the Find Bar after a certain interval of inactivity has elapsed.
- History Tree 1.2 - Shows history as a tree and a grid of web-page screenshots
- Image Zoom 0.4.4 - Adds zoom functionality for images
- ImageTweak 0.19 - Enhances the vision of direct images
- KnowMore Extension 0.2.7 - The Knowmore extension helps you find out more about the environmental and social impact of companies, brands, and products as you browse the web. Features include alerts when you visit company websites, integration of ratings with major search engines (Google, Yahoo, MSN Live, Ask), and deep integration with the Amazon.com catalog. The Knowmore extension gets its data from Knowmore.org, an independent community-powered corporate accountability wiki.
- Link Alert 1.0.1 - Changes the cursor to indicate the target of a link.
- Menu Editor 1.2.6 - Customize application menus
- Menu Icons Plus 1.8 - Menu icon sets and toolbar tweaks.
- MR Tech Toolkit 6.0.4 - MR Tech Toolkit power tools for all users. (en-US)
- NoScript 1.9.9.50 - Extra protection for your Firefox: NoScript allows JavaScript, Java (and other plugins) only for trusted domains of your choice (e.g. your home-banking web site). This whitelist based pre-emptive blocking approach prevents exploitation of security vulnerabilities (known and even unknown!) with no loss of functionality… Experts will agree: Firefox is really safer with NoScript :-)
- Novell Moonlight 2.1 - The open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight
- Omnibar 0.6.8.20100227 - Integrates search bar to the location bar.
- OPIE 1.2.3 - Import/Export extension preferences
- OptimizeGoogle 0.77 - Enhance Google search results and remove ads and spam
- QuietUrl 1.6.0.7 - Stress-free url experience. Automatically converts mistyped or obfuscated urls to valid ones. Automatic generation of anchor on textual url hovering and automatic obfuscation on textual url input based on a per-domain check.
- Read It Later 2.0.3 - Save pages to read later.
- Screenshot Pimp 1.52 - Screen Grabbing Tool
- Shareaholic 1.9.6 - Shareaholic is the ultimate tool for sharing stuff with 100+ destination services including Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, Delicious, Evernote, WordPress, and much much more!
- Stay-Open Menu 1.5.3 - Facilitates opening multiple items from the Bookmarks Menu and various other bookmark/history/tab related dropdown menus.
- Tab Mix Plus 0.3.8.2 - Tab browsing with an added boost.
- TooManyTabs 1.1.5 - TooManyTabs allows you to store as many tabs as you like by adding extra rows in the Firefox!
- View Dependencies 0.3.3.1 - Adds a tab listing dependencies and their sizes in the Page Info window.
- View Source Chart 2.7 - View Page Source with HTML Chart GUI
- Weave Sync 1.1 - Synchronize your bookmarks, history, tabs and passwords wherever you go. Whether you use Firefox on your phone, laptop, or desktop, securely access all your data.
- Web Developer 1.1.8 - Adds a menu and a toolbar with various web developer tools.
- Wired-Marker 3.1.09060400 - Put permanent marker line on web pages in many color and shapes / option.
- WOT 20091028 - Web of trust.

Disabled Extensions: [9]
- CheckBoxMate 0.2 - Check multiple checkboxes by drawing a rectangle around them.
- Controle de Scripts 1.0.3 - Improves your JavaScript control.
- Copy All Urls 0.9.0 - Copies and pastes all urls of open tabs inclusive history in structured and well defined form to and from the clipboard.
- Domain Details 2.6 - Displays Server Type, Headers, IP Address, Location Flag, and links to Whois Reports. Displays addition error information when page fails to load.
- FabTabs 1.3.4.1 - Make your tabs look fabulous!
- KGen 0.6
- Mouseless Browsing 0.5.2.2 - Browse the web without the mouse :-)
- OpenBook 2.0.1.1 - Allows for customization of the Add Bookmark dialog
- Split Browser 0.6.2009110501 - Splits browser window as you like.

Total Extensions: 49

Installed Themes: [3]
- Default
- LittleFox 1.8.57 - LittleFox, designed for optimal screen usage, leaving lots of room for browsing. Based on icons from art.gnome.org. Includes support for help, inspector, downloadmgr, forecastfox, downloadstatusbar, offline and many more. To uninstall first make this theme active, then 'uninstall' it.
- Slickerfox 2.0.6 - slicker simpler smaller flatter fuller foxier.

Installed Plugins: (7)
- Default Plugin: libnullplugin.so
- The default plugin handles plugin data for mimetypes and extensions that are not specified and facilitates downloading of new plugins.
- gxine starter plugin: gxineplugin.so
- will start external gxine media player for embedded media streams
- Scalable Vector Graphics: libmozsvgdec.so
- Scalable Vector Graphics, as handled by RSVG-2.22.3. Views SVG images.<br><br>This is alpha software. It will probably behave in many situations, but may also ride your motorcycle, drink all your milk, or use your computer to browse porn. Comments, feature requests, and patches are welcome.<br><br>See <a href="http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/">http:/ ... ge.net/</a> for information.<br><br>
- Shockwave Flash: libflashplayer_stardustdefalt.so
- Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32
- Shockwave Flash: libflashplayer10.so
- Shockwave Flash 10.0 r42
- Shockwave Flash: libflashplayer9.so
- Shockwave Flash 9.0 r260
- Silverlight Plug-In: libmoonloaderxpi.so
- 3.0.40818.0

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#155 Post by abushcrafter »

Don't bother with translate addons there are a wast of space. Google's auto translate JavaScript Bookmark does a fine job.
http://translate.google.com/translate_t ... l=no&tl=en

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