Lucid Puppy 5.0.1 - 24 May 2010

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Artie · #1231 Post by **Artie** » Tue 08 Jun 2010, 14:19

Hello I'm trying out Lupu 501 on my old Dell Latitude c840 laptop. So far I have two questions:

My PS/2 mouse doesn't work but the mousepad on the laptop works fine. Works in 432.

Any chance of an Opera update or a later model in downloads?

Artie

playdayz · #1232 Post by **playdayz** » Tue 08 Jun 2010, 15:10

Any chance of an Opera update or a later model in downloads?

Hi Artie, We have been staying with the latest official release. Is 10.50 released? You can go to opera.com and get the 10.50beta--if it is still beta, and unpack it and run it, as I remember.

mave · #1233 Post by **mave** » Tue 08 Jun 2010, 16:25

Hi Pizzasgood ,

thanks for your reply, I didn't see first...

If you really want it, I can post the kernel and modules and initrd.gz file that I made. (The initrd.gz file is based on the original - no modifications besides the newer drivers.) I don't know if any drivers changed between 5.0 and 5.0.1... Also, I didn't have the ndiswrapper source, so I didn't recompile the ndiswrapper kernel module. The normal one does still load when I modprobe it, so maybe it's okay as is. I didn't test that with any actual hardware though. (Of course, if you're looking for a working vt6655 file you probably don't care about ndiswrapper, but people who might be considering including it in future Puppies would.)

Maybe I will try compiling the patched kernel, but this trouble-machine runs now with 4.1x WLan and ndiswrapper, which is okay. So I try deleting the vt6655-module inside lupu-xxx.sfs, looking what booting will give to me...

Markus

Artie · #1234 Post by **Artie** » Tue 08 Jun 2010, 19:49

Have discovered that if I take out the plug for the ps/2 mouse and put it back in I can move the cursor and the buttons work on the mouse but not the scroll wheel. Have to do the same for every reboot. Hope this helps to isolate the problem.

Artie

LudgerH · #1235 Post by **LudgerH** » Wed 09 Jun 2010, 21:47

Hallo Artie!
I had a problem with a PS2-mouse: The cursor sometimes moved very rapidly and it came to a crash of my x-window-system.http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=55888 I solved the Problem by using a USB-hub and a USB-mouse. No problems since using the USB-Mouse.
MfG.LudgerH

playdayz · #1236 Post by **playdayz** » Wed 09 Jun 2010, 22:30

Have you had trouble with gxine? This is the replacement we are strongly considering for Lucid Puppy 5.1. Please read all this, especially the part about any updates having some risk to them.

I apologize. I should have thought of this sooner. It turns out I had done all the work getting it ready for 5.1.

So here are gnome-mplayer and mplayer. You need to install both. Gnome-mplayer is a frontend for mplayer--gnome-mplayer has two problems we know about: 1) it does not do full screen properly, and 2) it does not do DVDs with Menus. Other than that it seems to work. On the plus side, it is drag and drop onto the desktop icon, or open the program and look for files of course. I haven't been testing on 5.0.1 but I just run through some quick tests and it played everything that the 5.1 version plays--which is everything I have tried.

http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/g ... -Lucid.pet
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/m ... 1.0rc3.pet

I regard this as a hot fix for people who have been having trouble with gxine. But as I have said--no update is without some risk, so please back up everything important.

Oh yes, I think it will make Chromium 5 crash, so if you want to use both you should go to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and delete the 4 gecko-mediaplayer plugins.

Artie · #1237 Post by **Artie** » Thu 10 Jun 2010, 08:35

Hello LudgerH thanks for the tip!

Artie

puprag · #1238 Post by **puprag** » Thu 10 Jun 2010, 18:52

moved to bugs

puprag · #1239 Post by **puprag** » Thu 10 Jun 2010, 18:59

But I have had different results with different cpu, I managed to get my amd down to 50% but my intel is still 100% no matter what I have tried.

playdayz · #1240 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 10 Jun 2010, 19:01

Xorg is taking up like 70% of the cpu?

That should not be of course. Can you boot with nothing extra and then use System -> Htop to see what the cpu is doing?

puprag · #1241 Post by **puprag** » Thu 10 Jun 2010, 19:13

playdayz wrote:
Xorg is taking up like 70% of the cpu?
That should not be of course. Can you boot with nothing extra and then use System -> Htop to see what the cpu is doing?

I should have posted this in bugs right? it is only 70% when I am recording with sweep audio editor, and sweep takes the 30% left over?? 100% max out cpu when recording with sweep.

Minomushi · #1242 Post by **Minomushi** » Fri 11 Jun 2010, 02:31

I build glib package for lupu-501.
I worked on Lupu-501.

Build glib package
I installed binutils_2.20.1 and binutils-dev_2.20.1 by Puppy Package Manager.
It was possible to make glib package by this.

configure, make, make install & dir2pet

Code: Select all

# tar jxvf glib-2.24.1.tar.bz2
...
# mkdir glib-2.24.1-p5-i486
# cd glib-2.24.1-p5-i486
# pwd
/mnt/sdb6/DEV/glib-2.24.1-p5-i486
# cd glib-2.24.1
# ./configure --prefix=/usr \
> --sysconfdir=/etc \
> --localstatedir=/var \
> --build=i486-linux-gnu
...
# make
...
# make DESTDIR=/mnt/sdb6/DEV/glib-2.24.1-p5-i486 install
...
# cd ..
# dir2pet glib-2.24.1-p5-i486
...

Download glib package
glib-2.24.1-p5-i486.pet

playdayz · #1243 Post by **playdayz** » Fri 11 Jun 2010, 16:22

I should have posted this in bugs right? it is only 70% when I am recording with sweep audio editor, and sweep takes the 30% left over?? 100% max out cpu when recording with sweep.

Probably in Bugs--I saw that you did post it somewhere else--there I think. This is the kind of problem where it will be other Lucid puppy users who can help--since it is not the base software. But, can you try recording with another audio editor to see what happens--Audacity is in Quickpet.

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I build glib package for lupu-501.
I worked on Lupu-501.

Build glib package
I installed binutils_2.20.1 and binutils-dev_2.20.1 by Puppy Package Manager.
It was possible to make glib package by this.

Thank you minomushi, I will investigate this--we should try to have the same versions as Ubuntu 10.04 unless there is a reason otherwise.

There are at least two programs that we are looking to have compiled versions.

1. Netsurf. The version in Ubuntu 10.04 is 1.4, but there is a 2.5 version released--it looked semi-complicated to compile, but you might be interested.

2. VLC. It needs to be compiled with the option --enable-run-as-root but several of us have tried and not been able to compile it.

bones01 · #1244 Post by **bones01** » Sat 12 Jun 2010, 04:34

Hi all,

I've just tried to upgrade a full install from 4.2.1 to 5.0.1. I know that most of you will laugh and say I should have a frugal, and I might even agree after today. But I don't understand 'grub' so have generally avoided it.

Which leads to my problem.

During the upgrade process from the Universal Installer, I was asked to add some text to menu.lst but the instructions don't tell me where to add them, or if something needs to be deleted first. So I took a chance and put the new code where the ref to 4.2.1 was, and now I can't load anything.

So while I'm not so much looking for an answer here, I would like to suggest that a clarification in the upgrade instructions would be helpful for a duffer like me who still doesn't understand exactly what grub is for.

Bones

smokey01 · #1245 Post by **smokey01** » Sat 12 Jun 2010, 07:29

Bones I will try and give you a simple explanation of what GRUB is all about.

When a computer is first turned on it does a number of things. One of those things is to try and start the operating system. Once the computer has done it's normal tests the firmware in the BIOS (Basic Input Output System) instructs the computer to start. In the BIOS you can tell your computer where to look for the operating system. In most cases the boot sequence in the BIOS is set to your primary hard drive. In Windows this would likely be drive C:, in later versions of Puppy it would be sda1. Ok lets not worry too much about naming of the drives for the moment.

Assuming we have told the BIOS to boot from the primary hard drive we now need to put a bootloader on the hard drive so it can boot the operating system. GRUB is a bootloader and it can be configured to boot various operating systems. It can give you a choice to boot Windows, puppy, ubuntu, xandros or many others. In fact I have about 10 different version of puppy on my primary hard drive including windows.

From this point on I will make the assumption you have a formatted hard drive and you have GRUB installed to the primary partition of this hard drive. The puppy universal installer should have put a number of grub files into the directory /boot/grub
In this same directory, some people call them folders, you will see a file called menu.lst. This is the GRUB configuration file.

Below is a cut down version of my GRUB configuration file to show you the difference between a full installation and frugal installation of puppy.

Note the #. GRUB will ignore lines that start with the hash.

# GRUB configuration file '/boot/grub/menu.lst'.
# generated by 'grubconfig'. Mon Feb 15 10:16:48 2010
#
# Start GRUB global section
# timeout 5 gives you five seconds to choose which OS to load.
# After 5 seconds it will load the first OS found in the list below.
timeout 5
# This sets up the colours
color light-gray/blue black/light-gray
# End GRUB global section
# Linux bootable partition config begins
#
# Everything after the word title you will see as a menu entry when grub starts
title 1. Puppy Linux 500 frugal
# (hd0,0) means primary hdd, partition 1.
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
# this tells GRUB where to look in directory /puppy500/ for the files
kernel /puppy500/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=puppy500
# This initializes the ram drive that puppy needs
initrd /puppy500/initrd.gz
#
#
title 2. Windows 7
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1
#
title 3. Puppy Linux 432 full install
root (hd0,6)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda7 pmedia=atahd nosmp acpi=force
#

Note the difference between the three operating systems

Although this was quite brief hopefully it will give you enough information to get started.

Now place your CD in your computer, reboot, when the puppy screen comes up type puppy pfix=ram. This will ensure it doesn't load any save files although you shouldn't have any if you did a full install.

Once you are at the desktop, click on your primary drive icon, goto to /boot/grub/menu.lst and edit the config file as described above, then save it.

Now remove the CD, reboot the computer. If all the GRUB files are in the correct place you should now be able to select your OS.

Good luck

Smokey.

bones01 · #1246 Post by **bones01** » Sat 12 Jun 2010, 09:37

Thanks for your help Smokey. I eventually threw caution to the wind and re-installed Puppy completely. It meant I lost everything, which is a pain, but now I'm using the computer, so that's pretty good.

Thanks for your explanation too. I was really frustrated that although I was trying to follow the instructions, I had no idea what to do once it said "add this to menu.lst", so I think I panicked, took a rough guess, and destroyed it. Then even when I tried to delete what I had added, I ended up nowhere.

Live and learn.

No doubt you are warmer in Palmerston than I am in Warburton, Vic.

Bones

nicholasbuckner · #1247 Post by **nicholasbuckner** » Sat 12 Jun 2010, 10:23

i got it and i boots 1 in 5 times from cd and when installed to hard in frugal or full, the computers just doesn't see it

8-bit · #1248 Post by **8-bit** » Mon 14 Jun 2010, 07:17

For those of you that have had aisleriot solitare fail due to the missing depencency "libgmp.so.3" I have found it in the lupu section of Puppy Package manager.
To save you the trouble of locating, downloading, and installing it, I am attaching it for you.
Extract it to /usr/lib and aisleriot will again run.
Hope this helps.

gjuhasz · #1249 Post by **gjuhasz** » Mon 14 Jun 2010, 12:57

playdayz wrote:Have you had trouble with gxine? This is the replacement we are strongly considering for Lucid Puppy 5.1.

I can use mplayer having the referenced mplayer pets installed. However, gxine refuses playing some streams from this point. For example, when trying to play Sky News, I get the below error message. Downloading wmvdmod.dll and adding it both to /usr/lib/win32 and /usr/lib/codecs does not help.
Note that gxine plays this stream well without the mplayer pets, i.e., before the pets added and after they are removed.

gerry · #1250 Post by **gerry** » Mon 14 Jun 2010, 14:24

MISSING LINK- again!

Link from /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb to /opt/samba/bin/smbspool is missing.

This gives you the choice in CUPS to set up a printer connected to a Windows computer.

Barry puts it in, nobody else does.

In the meantime, if you need it,

ln -s /opt/samba/bin/smbspool /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb

gerry

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Lucid Puppy 5.0.1 - 24 May 2010

kernel panic (vt6655)

glib package for lupu-501

upgrading full install

thanks Smokey

aisleriot dependencies