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rjbrewer wrote:Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Xvesa!

Using a full install.

A pity I didn't bookmark the discussion, but I remember the remark that the xorg vesa driver isn't the same as the Xvesa driver. Or maybe in quirky this is the case now?

Béèm wrote:

rjbrewer wrote:Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Xvesa!

Using a full install.

A pity I didn't bookmark the discussion, but I remember the remark that the xorg vesa driver isn't the same as the Xvesa driver. Or maybe in quirky this is the case now?

You're probably right; I don't remember exactly what it was.

rjbrewer wrote:

Béèm wrote:

rjbrewer wrote:Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Xvesa!

Using a full install.

A pity I didn't bookmark the discussion, but I remember the remark that the xorg vesa driver isn't the same as the Xvesa driver. Or maybe in quirky this is the case now?

You're probably right; I don't remember exactly what it was.

I am pretty confused as well.
I am normally in Xorg and I know how to verify.
Now being in Xvesa, I don't know where the config file(s) is/are.
Specially now I found a Xorg.conf is generated anyway.

Vesa was the only driver that worked for and still had the black background, the previous Xorg actually worked better but still had the black background on the menu icons.
ttuuxxx

Béèm wrote: I am normally in Xorg and I know how to verify.
Now being in Xvesa, I don't know where the config file(s) is/are.
Specially now I found a Xorg.conf is generated anyway.

In /var/log/xorg o log, it shows I'm using Bios Vesa.

rjbrewer wrote:Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Xvesa!

Using a full install.

No, Vesa is not Xvesa. Xvesa is one of the Kdrive X servers, totally different from Vesa. However, they both do the same thing, pretty much, just generic X driver without any hardware-specific acceleration.

alec78 wrote:Hi,
This is the first quirky(013) that has booted up on this Samsung x05 laptop.
It failed initially at the probe stage, black screen, killed it with the power switch and rebooted.
Graphics came up using vesa, but I had to select the resolution.
Graphics are onboard Intel 82852/855GM chipset, so it is odd that rjbrewer has posted that his kit worked fine with xorg, when he had the same black screen with Quirky 010.
BTW this was the easiest Puppy yet to get on line with, using a Huawei E169 USB dongle.

There is an alternative 'i810' driver (the default is the 'intel' driver), but the Xorg Wizard does not give you the option of trying it until after you have tested the 'intel' driver -- and in your case you can't get that far.

I think that I need to add a button in the first window to enable alternate choices, before testing.

Coolpup may have a fix for the back backgrounds in the icons:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01460

I just installed the first pet......pixman 0.17.14 q.pet......and the black background problem has gone away. Tested in both 1024x768x16 and 1024x768x24.
Good job coolpup......

BarryK wrote:

rjbrewer wrote:Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Xvesa!

Using a full install.

No, Vesa is not Xvesa. Xvesa is one of the Kdrive X servers, totally different from Vesa. However, they both do the same thing, pretty much, just generic X driver without any hardware-specific acceleration.

Thanks for clearing that up Barry.

I managed to lock up Xorg or Vesa? messing with it too much; I did a
hard shutdown. It did a file system check and reboot and fixed
the boot up on my full install. This should make full install users
very happy.

Actually, for those who report black screen with the 'intel' driver, or hang or whatever, you can manually set the 'i810' driver as default.

If you can get to the desktop with the 'vesa' driver, you will find the 'i810' driver here:

/usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers-alternate

...copy 'i810_drv.so' to /usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers, and delete 'intel_drv.so'.

There is also another file that you will find in here:

/usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers-alternate/i810

...you need to copy that out and replace the current one at /usr/X11R7/lib.

After that, if you exit to the prompt then run 'xorgwizard', it will use the 'i810' driver.

...if you are game to try that, let me know if it works!

Too clarify a bit more, the Vesa driver is a "proper" Xorg driver, and uses xorg.conf. The Kdriver Xvesa driver was written independently of Xorg and does not use xorg.conf. However, both were included in the Xorg package, then Xvesa was dropped from Xorg 7.5. Xvesa was still in Xorg 7.4 I think but was somewhat broken. Nobody maintained it anymore, so it was dropped.

There is also other stuff that is different, for example, Xvesa does not use any of the Xorg keyboard setup files. Also, Xvesa has a fixed screen refresh rate, whereas with Vesa it can be changed.

BarryK wrote:Too clarify a bit more, the Vesa driver is a "proper" Xorg driver, and uses xorg.conf. The Kdriver Xvesa driver was written independently of Xorg and does not use xorg.conf. However, both were included in the Xorg package, then Xvesa was dropped from Xorg 7.5. Xvesa was still in Xorg 7.4 I think but was somewhat broken. Nobody maintained it anymore, so it was dropped.

There is also other stuff that is different, for example, Xvesa does not use any of the Xorg keyboard setup files. Also, Xvesa has a fixed screen refresh rate, whereas with Vesa it can be changed.

Thank you for specifying.
I knew it had been written before, probably you did it.
Will bookmark now for future reference.

Black background in icons issue.

With coolpup's pixman (thank you for this) the issue is solved in Quirky 13, but not in Lucid 002 (where I had the issue also)

tronkel wrote:No success at all with xorgwizard on startup.
Video card is ATI Radeon 3450. Black screen only.
Vesa does work though.

I then installed MU's ati fglrx proprietary drive for kernel 2.6.3.5
This worked OK.

Still got black background on menu item icons.

Edit: Both Firefox and Openoffice 3.2 now start OK. This was not this case with Quirky 10

Thank you Tronkel for this info.
Altho my graphics device wasn't in the list (ATI Radeon 7500) I decided to try.

1. Installed while in Xvesa
2. reooted with pfix=nox
3. at the X prompt run Xorgwizard and configured xorg
4. xwin
5. did get the desktop

A question tho: How can I see I am in Xvesa or Xorg?

Beem wrote:

A question tho: How can I see I am in Xvesa or Xorg?

Beem if you read Barry's notes above, he writes that Vesa is actually an XORG driver in itself - as opposed to XVESA (used in Puppy for ages) which is not considered to be a part of XORG as such - even although it comes included with the XORG package.

So, to answer your question here - you are always in XORG in Quirky 013 since XVESA is now not there at all.

I know - it's a bit convoluted (to say the least!)

tronkel wrote:Beem wrote:

A question tho: How can I see I am in Xvesa or Xorg?

Beem if you read Barry's notes above, he writes that Vesa is actually an XORG driver in itself - as opposed to XVESA (used in Puppy for ages) which is not considered to be a part of XORG as such - even although it comes included with the XORG package.

So, to answer your question here - you are always in XORG in Quirky 013 since XVESA is now not there at all.

I know - it's a bit convoluted (to say the least!)

Well, the answer wasn't totally clear or me and I had still the impression Xvesa existed, be it not developed anymore as it can still be selected.

To avoid any confusion, the Xvesa choice should be removed then when configuring the graphics environment.

No problem with xorg 16-bit or 24-bit on any of the Quirky verisions including this one. Intel 945gse GRAPHICS MEDIA ACCELERATOR 950 on my compaq cq10 netbook. Sorry I can't post output from "report-video" because of problem noted below.

New bug for me; 013 is not detecting my Broadcom Wireless LAN card. I'm posting this from 010.
Quirky's 008-010 all detected my card after making a pupsave and using the b43 driver.
I tried multiple attempts to reboot and reload the driver and even deleted the pupsave I made for 013 and loaded the one from 010 and same thing. It just does not detect my wireless card, I used both the regular dugal wizard and the new simple one.
No idea why and sorry I don't have enough knowledge to diagnose it.

Touchpad tapping now works on dell inspiron 1501 laptop

black backround fix also works same laptop.

BarryK wrote:Actually, for those who report black screen with the 'intel' driver, or hang or whatever, you can manually set the 'i810' driver as default.

If you can get to the desktop with the 'vesa' driver, you will find the 'i810' driver here:

/usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers-alternate

...copy 'i810_drv.so' to /usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers, and delete 'intel_drv.so'.

There is also another file that you will find in here:

/usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers-alternate/i810

...you need to copy that out and replace the current one at /usr/X11R7/lib.

After that, if you exit to the prompt then run 'xorgwizard', it will use the 'i810' driver.

...if you are game to try that, let me know if it works!

Hi Barry, just to let you know that this does work - but on Lpup, haven't tried it on Quirky yet. The driver files aren't in the folders you mention in lpup but were easy enough to find. So far, so good.