Lucid Puppy - Program Suggestions & Guidelines

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playdayz · #1 Post by **playdayz** » Sat 10 Apr 2010, 18:06

Lucid Puppy will have a new feature named Quick Package that will be a one-click install for popular, well-written, useful Linux programs that will be specially configured and tested for Lucid Pup. Please make suggestions and if you feel the urge, please jump in a make some.

Programs for Lucid Puppy should be 1) prepared with Ubuntu Lucid Lynx binaries (from packages.ubuntu.com) or 2) compiled. If at all possible.

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More explanation: The original purpose of Karmic Puppy (the predecessor to Luci Pup) was in order to run SRWare Iron and other of the new generation of browsers. Ubuntu was a good choice for that because they keep their code up to date. For instance, Ubuntu had the latest generation of glibc months before other distros, including Puppy, and that was what Iron needed to run. Therefore, Lucid Pup should do the same--so the target is to have these special software packages all be the latest versions.. It is also a goal to have the software consist of either Ubuntu code or code that is compiled in Lucid Puppy. That will increase stability (once we get over the initial development period of course). Nobody is gonna be a Nazi about that--well, I guess no one ever thinks of him or herself as a Nazi

Fortunately it is not difficult at all to satisfy our two goals: Ubuntu has already posted all of the binaries, so we can make reasonably quick work of assembling each program and then setting it up and configuring it for Puppy. I built the version of Go-OpenOffice, which is the one Ubuntu uses, in about two hours, and a lot of that was downloading. (That version is in the first message of the Karmic Puppy thread.) Additionally, Lucid Pup should turn out to be a pretty good compiling environment. I haven't mentioned it, but Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx is an Ubuntu Long Term Support release--so it will be current for three years after its release on April 29.

All of that in a nutshell, is that our programs should be the latest versions and either compiled in Lucid Pup (or Lucid Lynx) or built from the Ubuntu Lucid lynx binaries. But I am sure there will be exceptions. Do we want the latest just for the sake of the latest? Well, yeah, I guess. That is one of the things Lucid Puppy is about. It is not always easy; for instance, we have Cups 1.4.3 (Ubuntu just upgraded from 1.4.2 a couple of days ago). Cups 1.4.x is a much bigger pain than Cups 1.3.x, and it has presented problems in finding the proper browser to run it, but there you go.

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Once the program is running properly, you put all of the files into a new directory named Program-x.x.xx-Lucid. The you use dir2pet to make the directory into a pet. Such as #dir2pet Seamonkey-2.0.4-Lucid.

Here are some added files that need to go into the directory:

*** /usr/bin/executable name -> link to program executable; for instance, /usr/bin/seamonkey -> /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.0.4/seamonkey

*** /usr/share/applications/programname.desktop. Look at the other desktop files in that directory to see--even copy and rename one. (this is to create an item on the menu)

*** /usr/local/lib/X11/mini-icons, the icon should be 16x16 with the same name as the desktop file, such as seamonkey.xpt (this is for an icon on the menu)

There are also some sticky files under Additional Software about how to prepare pets.

Here are some very likely programs

Gimp, Audacity, an HTML editor, a Video editor, email rpograms, Foxit reader, Wine, Geany, Virtualbox, PWidgets, a money manager, Amarok, OpenOffice, music players, games, messaging, ....

Please add suggestions.

Please don't start on any of these big ones wihout posting and getting ago ahead so we dont' duplcate work already being done.

Please add suggestions also for how to prepare programs.

Thank you.

Jim1911 · #2 Post by **Jim1911** » Sat 10 Apr 2010, 19:35

The Quick Package one-click install is a nice feature for pet files, however I hope that it will also provide a capability for quick download links for files that are large and already work well with Lucid Puppy as sfs files. No need to repackage these.

There are many fine sfs files already tested that work well with Lucid. Quick Package would only need download links for these. There are many more available, but here are a few links for programs that I've tried.

1. dejan555‘s amarok-xxx-sfs4-sfs

2. sidder’s kmymoney2_0,89-1_xxx.sfs

3. dingo’s openoffice3.2-sfs4_xxx.sfs

Jim

playdayz · #3 Post by **playdayz** » Sat 10 Apr 2010, 20:50

I hope that it will also provide a capability for quick download links for files that are large and already work well with Lucid Puppy as sfs files. No need to repackage these.

That's the plan. Thanks for the recommendations.

playdayz · #4 Post by **playdayz** » Sat 10 Apr 2010, 22:05

Hey Jim1911, you got me thinking and I added a couple of paragraphs about software and Lucid Pup in the first message.

Jim1911 wrote:The Quick Package one-click install is a nice feature for pet files, however I hope that it will also provide a capability for quick download links for files that are large and already work well with Lucid Puppy as sfs files. No need to repackage these.

There are many fine sfs files already tested that work well with Lucid. Quick Package would only need download links for these. There are many more available, but here are a few links for programs that I've tried.

1. dejan555‘s amarok-xxx-sfs4-sfs

2. sidder’s kmymoney2_0,89-1_xxx.sfs

3. dingo’s openoffice3.2-sfs4_xxx.sfs

Jim

Lobster · #5 Post by **Lobster** » Sun 11 Apr 2010, 02:29

Excellent initiative if as good as the browser selector
another winner

Java
Eldy
komposer
VLC
Transmission
xaralx / Inkscape full
Scribus
CAD program (not sure which)

This is one area where I feel we can later add updates / patches, after the release of Lucid
right through to 'Maverick Meerkat' - the next Ubuntu
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336

smil99 · #6 Post by **smil99** » Sun 11 Apr 2010, 05:08

I have managed to install and run Openshot 1.0 under upup karmic 458 but poor me, can't replicate it any longer. Seems stable on 458 though.
Just tried to install the latest lucid Openshot 1.1.2 in lupu005 but can't make it work. In the lucid version, the folder structure seems to have been changed since Openshot folder now resides in /usr/share/pyshared.
It used to be in /usr/share in the case of Openshot 0.1.

My conclusion is that it is possible to have an sfs package of Openshot for the community so our dear qualified packagers and developers should consider it.
See my previous call on this matter:
Porting Openshot video editor to puppy

Cheers.

reckrhodes · #7 Post by **reckrhodes** » Sun 11 Apr 2010, 05:14

Hello everyone!

Please include educational programs in the "The Quick Package one-click install" such as programs use by Edubuntu.

GCompris, Tux4Kids, Etoys, The KDE Edutainment Suite, School Tool Calendar and Office suite

Thank you so much.

01micko · #8 Post by **01micko** » Sun 11 Apr 2010, 06:59

Ok, any one willing to test this...

audacity_1.3.11-2-lucid-i386.pet 6.7MB

Ok, not quite the latest but the latest from the lucid repos with dependencies include, all 100% lucid.

It works ok for me with a voice test.

Cheers

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Now, for anyone wanting to have a crack at this... how did I do it???

Normally I would compile, but I didn't have the time for errors and such so i searched for a Lucid Audacity package and installed the .deb. Ok, the prog didn't run.

I went to a terminal and typed

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bash-3.00# which audacity
/usr/bin/audacity

There you can see by running "which" it finds where the exec is. Ok, now I need the dependencies

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bash-3.00# ldd /usr/bin/audacity
	linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000)
	libwx_gtk2u_html-2.8.so.0 => /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_html-2.8.so.0 (0xb7755000)
	libwx_gtk2u_adv-2.8.so.0 => /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_adv-2.8.so.0 (0xb7697000)
	libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0 => /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0 (0xb7335000)
	libwx_baseu_net-2.8.so.0 => /usr/lib/libwx_baseu_net-2.8.so.0 (0xb7309000)
	libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0 => /usr/lib/libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0 (0xb71bc000)
	libvorbisenc.so.2 => /usr/lib/libvorbisenc.so.2 (0xb70bf000)
	libvorbisfile.so.3 => /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so.3 (0xb70b6000)
	libvorbis.so.0 => /usr/lib/libvorbis.so.0 (0xb708d000)
	libogg.so.0 => /usr/lib/libogg.so.0 (0xb7086000)
	libmad.so.0 => /usr/lib/libmad.so.0 (0xb706f000)
	libsndfile.so.1 => /usr/lib/libsndfile.so.1 (0xb7006000)
	libFLAC++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libFLAC++.so.6 (0xb6fed000)
	libFLAC.so.8 => /usr/lib/libFLAC.so.8 (0xb6fa0000)
	libid3tag.so.0 => /usr/lib/libid3tag.so.0 (0xb6f90000)
	libsamplerate.so.0 => /usr/lib/libsamplerate.so.0 (0xb6e24000)
	libSoundTouch.so.1 => /usr/lib/libSoundTouch.so.1 (0xb6e16000)
	libvamp-hostsdk.so.3 => /usr/lib/libvamp-hostsdk.so.3 (0xb6dde000)
	libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb6dda000)
	libexpat.so.1 => /lib/libexpat.so.1 (0xb6db3000)
	libtwolame.so.0 => /usr/lib/libtwolame.so.0 (0xb6d91000)
	libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb69bc000)
	libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb6925000)
	libgobject-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0xb68e4000)
	librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0xb68db000)
	libglib-2.0.so.0 => /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0xb6811000)
	libasound.so.2 => /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 (0xb6749000)
	libjack.so.0 => /usr/lib/libjack.so.0 (0xb672f000)
	libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb6716000)
	libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb66f0000)
	libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb65fb000)
	libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb65dc000)
	libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb6493000)
	libatk-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0xb6477000)
	libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0xb644f000)
	libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0xb6435000)
	libgio-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.so.0 (0xb6391000)
	libpango-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0xb634e000)
	libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0xb62d8000)
	libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0xb62a7000)
	libgmodule-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0xb62a2000)
	libgthread-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 (0xb629c000)
	libXinerama.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1 (0xb6298000)
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0xb628f000)
	libpng12.so.0 => /lib/libpng12.so.0 (0xb6269000)
	libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0xb6254000)
	libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 (0xb6233000)
	libtiff.so.4 => /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4 (0xb61d8000)
	/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb77f3000)
	libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 (0xb61cb000)
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb60ae000)
	libXcomposite.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXcomposite.so.1 (0xb60aa000)
	libXdamage.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1 (0xb60a6000)
	libXfixes.so.3 => /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3 (0xb60a0000)
	libcairo.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 (0xb6025000)
	libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb6015000)
	libXrender.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0xb600b000)
	libXi.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 (0xb5ffd000)
	libXrandr.so.2 => /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0xb5ff5000)
	libXcursor.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1 (0xb5fea000)
	libpcre.so.3 => /lib/libpcre.so.3 (0xb5fb9000)
	libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0xb5fa5000)
	libselinux.so.1 => /lib/libselinux.so.1 (0xb5f8a000)
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0xb5f70000)
	libuuid.so.1 => /lib/libuuid.so.1 (0xb5f6b000)
	libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 (0xb5f51000)
	libpixman-1.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0 (0xb5ee6000)
	libdirectfb-1.2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libdirectfb-1.2.so.0 (0xb5e6f000)
	libfusion-1.2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libfusion-1.2.so.0 (0xb5e64000)
	libdirect-1.2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libdirect-1.2.so.0 (0xb5e4e000)
	libxcb-render-util.so.0 => /usr/lib/libxcb-render-util.so.0 (0xb5e49000)
	libxcb-render.so.0 => /usr/lib/libxcb-render.so.0 (0xb5e41000)
	libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0xb5e3d000)
	libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xb5e36000)

By running "ldd /usr/bin/audacity" you can see the huge list generated. Now the list I just posted is fine, everything is there, but not so before, there were 10 or so missing libraries, so I got out the old pencil and paper and wrote down the missing ones. There will be entries in the list like libjack.so.0 not found Write 'em ALL down and use your favorite seach engine, typing something like libjack lucid in the search bar.

Now, everything you find will be debs, they install just fine but how to get them in folder? I did it an ass-about-way with deb2pet by dejan555 from here, converting with the right click menu to a pet, then renaming to a tar.gz and expanding. Then blend all the folders together, repet, test that it works then upload somewhere. There are plenty of free hosting sites around.

Enjoy making Lucid pets!

01micko · #9 Post by **01micko** » Sun 11 Apr 2010, 07:04

Jim1911 wrote:The Quick Package one-click install is a nice feature for pet files, however I hope that it will also provide a capability for quick download links for files that are large and already work well with Lucid Puppy as sfs files. No need to repackage these.

There are many fine sfs files already tested that work well with Lucid. Quick Package would only need download links for these. There are many more available, but here are a few links for programs that I've tried.

1. dejan555‘s amarok-xxx-sfs4-sfs

2. sidder’s kmymoney2_0,89-1_xxx.sfs

3. dingo’s openoffice3.2-sfs4_xxx.sfs

Jim

Maybe Lobster can make us a wiki page with sfs links and we can put a link in the menu

01micko · #10 Post by **01micko** » Sun 11 Apr 2010, 09:56

Ok, another one to try

thunderbird-3.0.4-lucid.pet 11MB

This one I made differently. Lucid was a pain as reported earlier by pemasu. I made this one from the precompiled (static???) stuff from the Thunderbird site, just puppified a little. (ie, the install path etc)

I tested but I only use Gmail.. I don't use mail clients often at all, although I used to use Tbird in windows a few years ago. It worked fine for me, but remember, I am only a concreter by trade and sending a text message on a mobile phone is a challenge for me! So, those into Email give this a workout.

Feedback please.

Cheers

Lobster · #11 Post by **Lobster** » Sun 11 Apr 2010, 11:30

01micko wrote: Maybe Lobster can make us a wiki page with sfs links and we can put a link in the menu

Dun!

Lucid page with SFS
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/LucidPuppy

wiki editing
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingThisWiki

shankargopal · #12 Post by **shankargopal** » Sun 11 Apr 2010, 15:25

I haven't made the switch to Lucid Puppy yet because my life is a little crazy and I'm very short on time now, but hope to do it with 006 (or final). In that case I expect to compile / try to find the packages for the following and will try to make Quick Packages out of them:

1. Claws Mail (latest)
2. Enlightenment DR17 (from SVN probably - this will have to be compiled as the only available ubuntu packages are from January and for Karmic, and they release compiled packages very very rarely)
3. Dovecot imap/POP server

But as I said this will take some time (er, maybe up to weeks), so if anyone else is interested in giving them a shot first, please go ahead.

One question - playdayz, I recall seeing that you were not in favour of this, but one of the main attractions of Dpup/Upup for me has been the possibility of getting APT working (Dpup almost had it for a bit last year, but then it fell by the wayside as gposil got busy with more important parts of Dpup). Apt has dependency resolution and uninstall routines that are great as well as "autoremove" options etc. to clean up the system, which I really miss in PPM (which also seems to have some bugs). Is APT a possibility?

Jim1911 · #13 Post by **Jim1911** » Sun 11 Apr 2010, 16:34

Lobster wrote:
01micko wrote: Maybe Lobster can make us a wiki page with sfs links and we can put a link in the menu
Dun!

Lucid page with SFS
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/LucidPuppy

wiki editing
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingThisWiki

Great idea, but the links posted all point back to this thread rather than the thread for that sfs. I sent raffy an e-mail to add me to the wiki and will be glad to edit it to correct those links, if possible.
EDIT: Raffy responded and I corrected the referenced links.
Thanks,
Jim

pemasu · #14 Post by **pemasu** » Sun 11 Apr 2010, 19:48

01micko. thunderbird-3.0.4-lucid.pet 11MB installed ok. I changed global font and font size with userChrome.css and installed import-export plugin succesfully. Mail sending and receiving with attachment worked.
Usually I have Thunderbird at /mnt/home but for testing I have it now installed in Lupu so testing continues ...

DaveS · #15 Post by **DaveS** » Mon 12 Apr 2010, 05:26

I notice this is sometimes being referred to as Lupu. How about changing that to Lupo? Lupo is Italian for wolf............ kinda cool?

invisible man · #16 Post by **invisible man** » Mon 12 Apr 2010, 17:12

Lupu great Puppy. Appreciate all your building , through Karmic, (Glad that Lucid is easier to compile.) Thanks to You, Playdayz; and Barry. Topic: Either a download from the Lucid, Mint, or Puppy; for a simple network connect. Click once on an icon; choose connection locale, and click again to connect Would be a nice future feature. Maintain memory,for a couple of sites visited; and a - Do not allow signal strength site to dictate overall connection choice. Would be Prime solutions. Invisible Man

playdayz · #17 Post by **playdayz** » Tue 13 Apr 2010, 01:11

Here is my basic procedure for makiing Lucid Puppy programs from Ubuntu Lucid files.

I go to packages.ubuntu.com and search in Lucid for the main program files. Those tell me what dependencies they need and what else might offer added functionality.

I download all of those into the same directory.

I then use a script I made that loops undeb through all of the files--what I end up with are some directories: /usr. /etc, /lib, and so forth.

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for file in *
do 
undeb $file
done

I then create a new directory with the name I want the pet to have, say, Audacious-2.30-Lucid and I put the /usr, /etc, and all the directories that resulted from the undeb loop into that new directory.

Then all I have to do is to run dir2pet, from the directory that contains the soon-to-be-a-pet,

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#dir2pet Audacious-2.30-Lucid

I make the icons and directories for the menu myself, that procedure is discussed in the first message of this thread.

Then I install the pet and see how it works.

8-bit · #18 Post by **8-bit** » Tue 13 Apr 2010, 06:03

Ok, I do not know what it would take to implement it, but in Stardust, on booting, it attempts an autoconfiguration to get you connected to the internet.
You do not have to click on the connect button.
Would be a nice feature to add to lupu.

Also, I would rather have geany as the default text editor as it is more useful than NicoEdit. And since Abiword is in, a word processor is already covered.
So replace NicoEdit with geany.

And not to brag on my own creation, but if the Format Floppy Disk was replaced with my Floppy Disk Formatter, you would have both the ability to format internal and USB floppy disks.
Mind you, the last is just a suggestion and it can be found on the forum in the Additional Software /Index/System as to a link to it.

01micko · #19 Post by **01micko** » Tue 13 Apr 2010, 07:00

8-bit wrote:Ok, I do not know what it would take to implement it, but in Stardust, on booting, it attempts an autoconfiguration to get you connected to the internet.
You do not have to click on the connect button.
Would be a nice feature to add to lupu.

Also, I would rather have geany as the default text editor as it is more useful than NicoEdit. And since Abiword is in, a word processor is already covered.
So replace NicoEdit with geany.

And not to brag on my own creation, but if the Format Floppy Disk was replaced with my Floppy Disk Formatter, you would have both the ability to format internal and USB floppy disks.
Mind you, the last is just a suggestion and it can be found on the forum in the Additional Software /Index/System as to a link to it.

Stardust has Pwireless2 .. that is what get's you online... now I can agree and disagree. Jemimah would be the first to admit that it isn't quite finished yet, though I believe it has been a remarkable job, and I think with thanks to Stardust and Dpup testers. Until Pwireless2 matures, imho leave it for the moment as a standard app. I think the Japanese Puppy guys have a different solution to getting online (ethernet only) out of the box. You will have to look that up.

On Geany vs Nicoedit I can agree that Geany is far better. However, you can get by with Nicoedit, again Puppy home-grown, thanks to nikobordeax. It's almost there but not quite. It is a fine text-viewer and very light. Geany is only 3 clicks and a moment away ...

I reckon your last suggestion is the best! We do need a more up to date floppy formatter as default. Most using floppies on modern gear would have a usb floppy drive any way, wouldn't they? And of course your program covers the basics so older machines are not lost in the 'buntu hype...

Cheers

8-bit · #20 Post by **8-bit** » Tue 13 Apr 2010, 07:54

In my case, I have already changed from nicoedit to geany as I do use it a lot more to edit scripts/programs.
But to each his own. That is what Puppy is supposed to be anyway.
I am sure there will be other suggestions.
I already edited the geany desktop file so it could find it's icon for the menu.
But I left all the language lines intact.

I also use Trio's SFS installer that installs SFS files like PET files and can install or uninstall an SFS without rebooting.
That way, If I want to compile something, I just install the SFS files, kernel source, and devx and use the Puppy Package Manager to uninstall them.
Again, it works for me and saves me having to reboot.

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