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#46 Post by sc0ttman »

Hi Barry,

I tested your new vlc-gtk (2.2.1), only briefly, but it seems that it works fine in Puplite (4.2) as well...
I used vlc-0.8.6h_commandline (from ttuuxxx)..

I just installed the pet, haven't got time to look at the changes right now, but it integrate them into a slight update that I had already made, but not yet posted.
My update also enables on screen controls for DVD and VCD, and has better icons.

Cheers.
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#47 Post by caieng »

This thread is intimidating, at least to me.

I installed Wary 5.0, without problem.

Then, the adventure began, two hours later, still no success, hence this message.

yes, I am annoyed.

Yes, I do not think that a distro as SLICK, and obviously EXCELLENT, as is Wary 5.0, should present these kinds of problems to a naive user.

YES, I did search, the forum, and BK's home pages, and,
YES, I did download ttuuxx's VLC "pet" package.

and
YES, I do observe VLC when I invoke the multimedia drop down menu.

BUT,

NO. It does not work. After rebooting, I invoke SeaMonkey, my browser of choice by the way, I click on OGG or aaC+ or MP3 icons at http://www.listenlive.eu/classical.html
and VLC not only doesn't appear, it isn't even offered as a choice for the user to select.

Thinking that I have done something wrong, I next investigate SeaMonkey "Preferences", and discover that there too, VLC is not offered to the user.

Why?

THIS IS ABSURD.

two choices:

a. the logical choice, put VLC where it belongs, into the CDROM used for installation.
(and get rid of the utterly useless, currently extant, streaming audio players)

This is the method employed by my current default distribution: CrunchBang XFCE, as well as by other, less performant distros, like Ultimate LXDE.

or,

b. If BK and the rest of the developers want to continue to compel the user to do the work, instead, by demanding download of VLC from a central repository of preconfigured packages, as this community so irritatingly calls "pup",
THEN PLEASE produce a single file (not hidden in the LUCID repository, for heaven's sake, how annoying do you suppose that is, to go to the WARY repository, and NOT find it, but instead, discover that it is sequestered anonymously in the WRONG location). This is the method employed by my plan B, aka PCLinuxOS LXDE, another first rate distro, which compels use of synaptic package manager, which works VERY WELL, in my experience.

The third method, i.e. the one employed by WARY at present, compelling the user to figure it out, is a FAILURE.

I have no idea what in the world these comments mean:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02078
To me, this may as well be written in Sanskrit.

One ought not require a doctorate in linuxology to enjoy the excellent performance of VLC running on Wary.

If Wary can't permit a user to make a single mouse click (WORST case) to enable VLC, instead of compelling the user to watch helplessly as the wretched streaming audio players on the naked version of Wary, stumble and fumble around, then, WARY joins the other coasters, along with suse, fedora, lint, ubuntu, and the rest of the junk that parades about as having a head on their shoulders. Of course, in the BEST case, WARY 5.1 will incorporate VLC, into the CDROM installation disk, just like CrunchBang and Ultimate, thereby obviating a need for the user to waste his/her time on this foolishness.....I hope someone, (that's you BK!!!) has a REASON for excluding VLC. I sure don't want to read any nonsense about "keeping the size of Wary small enough to fit on the CDROM")

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#48 Post by Bert »

I downloaded and installed the VLC announced on Barry's blog, including its dependancies.
Playing back audio and video from HD is working fine, but how do I enable watching internet video streams? When I click 'play' after entering the URL, nothing happens.
This is in Lucid Puppy 5.2, with Cjromium 10 as browser.
Do I need to install something else?
Thanks!
[url=http://pupsearch.weebly.com/][img]http://pupsearch.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/6/4/7464374/125791.gif[/img][/url]
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#49 Post by trapster »

Which url?
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#50 Post by Bert »

trapster wrote:Which url?
No matter what url.
Do you have 1 url that works for you?
Thanks :wink:
[url=http://pupsearch.weebly.com/][img]http://pupsearch.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/6/4/7464374/125791.gif[/img][/url]
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#51 Post by sc0ttman »

Bert wrote:
trapster wrote:Which url?
No matter what url.
Do you have 1 url that works for you?
Thanks :wink:
Did you put the URL into the 'URL' entry on the streams tab?
Do the URLs given in the favourites list work for you?
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#52 Post by 01micko »

Bert

Set VLC as the player in pupradio.. see if that works, it's just a collection of ordinary web streams in various formats. Maybe some formats are failing?
(not meaning to be off topic, just to make sure it's not a vlc issue)

OR

type vlc <whatever/the/url/is/here> in a terminal

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#53 Post by Bert »

sc0ttman wrote:Did you put the URL into the 'URL' entry on the streams tab?
Do the URLs given in the favourites list work for you?
Yes, URL put into Url entry
No, none of the favourites work.
[url=http://pupsearch.weebly.com/][img]http://pupsearch.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/6/4/7464374/125791.gif[/img][/url]
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#54 Post by Bert »

01micko wrote:Bert

Set VLC as the player in pupradio.. see if that works, it's just a collection of ordinary web streams in various formats. Maybe some formats are failing?
(not meaning to be off topic, just to make sure it's not a vlc issue)

OR

type vlc <whatever/the/url/is/here> in a terminal

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In Pupradio 6 out of 8 preset channels work in Mplayer, none in VCL
In PupTelly, 5 out of 8 preset channels work in Mplayer, none in VCL.

In terminal, I get this:
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#55 Post by trapster »

try "vlc"
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#56 Post by Bert »

trapster wrote:try "vlc"
Ooops, :oops:

Thanks for waking me up, it's past midnight here :wink:

This is the terminal I get now:
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#57 Post by 01micko »

Ok Bert, when you wake up you may want to ditch that vlc and use one made for lupu ( I think I read you're in lupu), I just tested sc0ttman's vlc-gtk in spup with vlc I compiled and the urls from pupradio work.

sc0ttman, not all streams are http: :wink: , I just tried mms, no problems :)

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#58 Post by sc0ttman »

01micko wrote:sc0ttman, not all streams are http: :wink: , I just tried mms, no problems :)

Cheers
I actually used to watch a LOAD of Muay Thai, live from Bangkok, on free mms streams...
AWESOME! :D

But I realised as soon as I saw you people chatting about mms streams that vlc-gtk only checks for http://
(but only to quick check for a url on startup.. )
It's not critical, it doesnt stop any functionality, but will be updated..
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#59 Post by ttuuxxx »

Bert wrote:
trapster wrote:try "vlc"
Ooops, :oops:

Thanks for waking me up, it's past midnight here :wink:

This is the terminal I get now:
well vlc is not a html browser, that's web page not a media link, Please next time post the link, its easier to copy and paste than to enter it manually, :)
try this
First radio link on the left hand side.
vlc http://mp3.streampower.be/radio1-mid.mp3

this is the second link
vlc http://mp3.streampower.be/ra2ant-mid.mp3

This is the third link
vlc http://mp3.streampower.be/mnm-mid.mp3

This is the forth link
vlc http://mp3.streampower.be/mnm_hits-mid.mp3

this is the fifth link
vlc http://mp3.streampower.be/klara-mid.mp3

this is the sixth link
vlc http://mp3.streampower.be/klaracontinuo-mid.mp3

this is the seventh link
vlc http://mp3.streampower.be/stubru-mid.mp3

this is the eighth link
vlc http://mp3.streampower.be/rvi-mid.mp3

this is the ninth link
vlc http://mp3.streampower.be/sporza-mid.mp3

and finally the tenth link
vlc mms://wm.streampower.be/vrt/radio1/11_11niws-snip_med.mp3

http://www.digitaleradio.be/dab/wathore ... en_11.html <-- web page
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#60 Post by ttuuxxx »

I just tested all the links I posted with puppy 5.2 and all are working 100% with
vlc gtk 2.2 http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=35571
and http://ppm.scottjarvis.com/multimedia/v ... 0.8.6h.pet combined
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#61 Post by caieng »

ttuuxxx wrote:I just tested all the links I posted with puppy 5.2 and all are working 100% with
vlc gtk 2.2 http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=35571
and http://ppm.scottjarvis.com/multimedia/v ... 0.8.6h.pet combined
ttuuxxx
Thank you ttuuxxx, does this mean that a person who seeks to listen to streaming audio with Puppy Wary 5.0, needs to download BOTH of these two components? If so, should such action be performed sequentially?

Do folks here, understand that all other distros, in my experience, at least, either include VLC with default installation program on the CDROM, or, if not, then, at least require only a single download, e.g. selecting VLC, from a list with "Synaptic".

Puppy seems determined to act as though folks came out of the womb understanding the strange jargon employed here, "pups", as well as the need to download something called gtk, whatever that is, while concurrently foisting off some wretched streaming audio players, "out of the box", as though they represented something useful. WHY? Doesn't anyone at puppy land test these wretched audio players?

Why is an otherwise superb linux distro so completely dreadful when it comes to streaming audio reception? Perhaps the engineers there are all deaf? The old Puppy had Amarok, what a nightmare. The new one offers something equally unusable.

Am I the only person who finds this situation completely bizarre? VLC is the standard. Why wouldn't anyone want to use it? I feel like I am talking to the engineers at Cal Tech who insist on using the English system of weights and measures, instead of the Metric system.

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#62 Post by ttuuxxx »

hi caieng a little history lesson :)
VLCGTK is frontend to vlc, around 6 yrs ago vlc had a gtk gui but was discarded for a wxgtk gui, which blewup the overall size by 200%.
Then they dropped the wxgtk gui for a qt gui which triples the size of the VLC package Due to all the library not found in a default puppy, that is why we usually go with gxine, because puppy does have the library's and plays just about all the same formats as vlc, but with a great savings in file size, also we use mplayer, which is a bit bigger than gxine, but does provide a bit more formats.

Now back to vlc, the pet I provide is a vlc package I made for 4 series and removed the very large wxgtk gui and all the wxgtk libs. reducing the package from around 9MB to 2.6MB.
Forum member sc0ttman made a nice gui to work with VLC backend at 55kb.
So that is why you need the gui and also the vlc pet to run it.
hope that helps,
also I think if you want the regular vlc with a qt gui you'll find it in the puppy package manager in 5.2
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#63 Post by caieng »

ttuuxxx wrote:hi caieng a little history lesson :)
VLCGTK is frontend to vlc, around 6 yrs ago vlc had a gtk gui but was discarded for a wxgtk gui, which blewup the overall size by 200%.
Then they dropped the wxgtk gui for a qt gui which triples the size of the VLC package Due to all the library not found in a default puppy, that is why we usually go with gxine, because puppy does have the library's and plays just about all the same formats as vlc, but with a great savings in file size, also we use mplayer, which is a bit bigger than gxine, but does provide a bit more formats.

Now back to vlc, the pet I provide is a vlc package I made for 4 series and removed the very large wxgtk gui and all the wxgtk libs. reducing the package from around 9MB to 2.6MB.
Forum member sc0ttman made a nice gui to work with VLC backend at 55kb.
So that is why you need the gui and also the vlc pet to run it.
hope that helps,
also I think if you want the regular vlc with a qt gui you'll find it in the puppy package manager in 5.2
ttuuxxx
Thank you very much, ttuuxxx, for this noteworthy explanation, much appreciated.

And thanks also to you, and to sc0ttman for your terrific efforts to get VLC to run on Puppy Linux.

I don't know, or understand, the distinction between "qt gui", which you associate with "regular VLC", and the ? ??? which you and Sc0ttman use.

I will try to reinstall Wary 5.0, using your two links to install VLC.

Testing: Is your implementation identical in functionality and timing with the VLC used elsewhere, e.g. with Windows and other Linux distros? Do those other distros use QT or GTK?

Philosophy lecture:
reducing the package from around 9MB to 2.6MB
.
Are you teasing me, here, ttuuxxx?

Maybe fifty years ago, when I first began using computers, that statement would have held some significance, but when one is routinely installing Linux on PIII's with half a gigabyte of memory, the distinction between nine megabytes and three megabytes is utterly insignificant.

Even the smallest USB flash memory stick, today, is a gigabyte in size.

Is there a real world testing scenario that can measure a significant time difference between application 1a, requiring 9 megabytes, and application 1b requiring 3 megabytes? Do you suppose that when browser ABC is loaded into memory, requiring 10 seconds, and browser DEF is loaded into memory, requiring 7 seconds, that then, browser ABC will turn out to have 6 megabytes more in size than browser DEF?

When I run SeaMonkey (1.1.13) on Windows 98 it takes 2 seconds to load.
When I run SeaMonkey (2.0.11) on Linux, it takes 7 seconds to load.

Do you imagine that the explanation for the difference in time between the loading of these two Mozilla browsers has something to do with the dramatically increased SIZE of the newer Mozilla browser?

Well, maybe you are correct, and I am wrong, what do I know? nothing.

In my opinion, as one wholly ignorant, size has very little to do with this impressive delay in loading the browser under Linux. I should compare the two versions with XP. My guess is that they will both take about the same time to load. In other words, without understanding anything at all about the design of the OS, I imagine that the reason for the much faster instantiation of Sea Monkey on Win 98 compared with Linux or XP, is not because the older, obsolete Sea Monkey is so much smaller in size than more recent, more bloated, versions of the same browser, but rather because the obsolete operating system responds to the user's input far more efficiently. Compare the time needed to fly from Sydney to Perth today, versus ten years ago--the airplanes are slicker and better than ten years ago, but the delay getting through security adds an extra hour to the total travel time.

I have read, often on the internet, how much FASTER Chrome is, than Firefox. How much faster Midori is, than Konqueror.

NONSENSE.

In my testing, with this real world application, internet radio stations, the times needed for HEARING the music played, upon clicking on one of the three non-proprietary formats: mp3, ogg, or aac+, is the same, for Chrome and FireFox, while Konqueror, king of bloat, is measurably FASTER. "Light weight" Midori, brain dead, waits for the user to signal with a second click of the mouse, because, unlike all the other browsers, it has no facility to remember to always forward the input to VLC, and thus demands that the user instruct it, every time it is invoked.
http://www.listenlive.eu/classical.html

How often have you read that Opera is lightweight and FAST?
I encounter such assertions daily, yet, in my experience, with the internet radio station testing algorithm, Opera is consistently 20% slower than Firefox.

So, conclusion, in my opinion, SIZE is relatively insignificant, in estimating performance. Saving a handful of megabytes, in an environment addressing gigabytes, is a bit like saving pennies by turning off the engine at a red light, but spending a fortune on fuel, because of inefficiencies in the engine design.

Thanks again for your helpful messages.

:)

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#64 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hi caieng size does mater, Here a prime example, during the 5.2 build the iso went over 136MB threshold and that lead to, puppy no longer running 100% in ram. We worked hard trying to find 1 MB we could free the iso. Not an easy task.

Another example some things are downloaded over 1000+ times, multiply that by 6-7MB your now talking 6-7GB on just one app, The thing is most server host really hate high bandwidths being used, my old host 2yrs ago, actually pause my account until the end of the month because I went over 5GB in a month. Every MB saved leaves room for others and room to grow.

Browser size isn't related to startup times, usually some have plugins/themes etc which take time to load. Then it depends on the architecture it was compiled as, If you download the latest Firefox from mozilla and then you compare it to one I or Barry compiled, you'll notice its usually 2-3MB smaller and loads much quicker and is more stable, the reason why, is that mozilla uses the latest just about everything when they compile and they also include a couple gnome&dbus libs that puppy doesn't provide (other than puppy 5 and 2.14X).

Startups of new browser tend to take a bit long because they have more security updates and newer larger backends. But usually page rendering is quicker than previous versions.

If you try those radio stations links I posted on 5.2 your notice Mplayer takes about 10X longer to load them than the GTKVLC does. With puppy size is everything, especially when building a release version.
Plus puppy still has a lot of dialup users, and a 6MB saving is like 1hr of download time.
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#65 Post by caieng »

Thank you for this message, ttuuxxx.
Some things are a bit clearer, now.
size does mater, Here a prime example, during the 5.2 build the iso went over 136MB threshold and that lead to, puppy no longer running 100% in ram.
I am lost. Why is there a 136 MB threshold? What happens at 137 MB? What is so special about 136 MB? Does it mean that Puppy runs as fast in a machine with 137 MB as one with 1 GB RAM? What about dual channel versus single channel RAM? What does the 5.2 build have to do with Wary 5.0?

You can see that I remain very confused.....haha.
We worked hard trying to find 1 MB we could free the iso. Not an easy task.
Wow. I find MOST of Puppy (or any other Linux version) to be utterly useless. I would have difficulty finding 136 MB to KEEP. I envision all the Linuxes as museums filled up with old "art", consisting of 6 year old finger painting, but grasped tightly as though precious masterpieces.
grep
finger
kill
emacs
holy cow.
permissions
passwords,
unbelievable amount of garbage....
mount???

Can you imagine, during installation, Puppy asks me where to find the cdrom that Puppy used to create the program that asks me where the cdrom is located.......
And you have trouble finding dead wood to chop out?

Puppy performs an installation, and then, promptly loses all the information asked during the installation, requiring the user to reenter it all over again, after rebooting.... Are you sure that it is difficult to get rid of the junk?

Why not discard the awful, default, streaming audio players, wouldn't that free up several megabytes?
Another example some things are downloaded over 1000+ times, multiply that by 6-7MB your now talking 6-7GB on just one app, The thing is most server host really hate high bandwidths being used, my old host 2yrs ago, actually pause my account until the end of the month because I went over 5GB in a month. Every MB saved leaves room for others and room to grow.
Wow. I really need to improve my communication skills. It is obvious from this rejoinder, ttuuxxx, that you and I are not on the same wavelength, at all.

I HATE downloading components of the operating system. It is absurd to have a cdrom, capacity 0.7 GB, but containing less than 0.2 GB, a circumstance which demands that the user waste his/her time and money and bandwidth downloading 0.5 GB of data, WHICH COULD, be sitting on the half empty CDROM. Think of the disincentive the current approach offers to those who would otherwise be inclined to purchase a CDROM with Puppy Wary.....
Plus puppy still has a lot of dialup users, and a 6MB saving is like 1hr of download time.
Ok.
let's reflect on that notion, for a minute....

umm,
let's see: 56kilobit/second modem, divided by 8 = 7kilobytes/sec, so how many seconds are required to download 7 megabytes? answer: 1000 seconds, i.e. 20 minutes.

Allow me to ask this question: China has lots of bicycles. Maybe as many bicycles as people. Certainly MORE bicycles today than 40 years ago.

Should the Chinese design their urban infrastructure to accommodate these bicycles, rather than automobiles? More salient perhaps, should the Chinese favor bicycles over automobiles, as a means of interurban transportation?

There is much utility in having a small, lightweight distribution. If Puppy were not ALSO so excellent in detecting OLD hardware, however, I would not be interested in Puppy, because it lacks VLC, i.e. for me, it is TOO LIGHT. It is a bicycle, a good bicycle, but I require a volkswagon (VLC).

One solution, instead of linking up with Ubuntu, (of all the crazy ideas....) bloatware second only to lint, why not generate a genuine VLC based puppy wary? The existing distros, and even smaller versions, can easily remain, for those who use transportation only to fetch one bottle of milk from the store a block down the road, once a week.

One size doesn't fit all, unlike socks. Puppy is already available in several different flavours, adding another, "full featured" version, would unclutter the server, since folks would not need to use "synaptic" to get the real McCoy.

CAI ENG

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