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#31 Post by jamesbond »

No worries kirk. I have been wondering myself why sound is not working, and I thought it could be because of bad iso download. But the testers who reported that are experienced testers and I'm sure they have done md5sum check. Lupu-113 and beta3 uses the same version of kernel and ALSA, so it doesn't make sense that one works and the other doesn't. I myself didn't have the problem (it works in all my machines) - makes it even harder to troubleshoot. Don't worry about the nvidia pet - it's just one kernel module compile away :D

BTW - I just run beta3 in RAM, try to use the package manager to download nvidia pet - doesn't work again. It's shown there, the "repository update" is successful, but if I click the pet in the main menu, nothing happens (ps -aef shows no wget in progress).

Jim1911 - I just tried installing the nvidia.pet directly in my Intel hardware. The installation works. I didn't get any error message. I did this by downloading the pet first ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dist ... /pets/500/ and then clicking on it. (The pet obviously doesn't work - because I'm doing it on an Intel machine, but I just want to confirm that the installation part of it works). If there is anything you can capture (error message, screenshot, or gzip-ped copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log), that would help.

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#32 Post by kirk »

Lupu-113 and beta3 uses the same version of kernel and ALSA, so it doesn't make sense that one works and the other doesn't.


Yes, I even checked the sound section in Barry's kernel config for 2.6.33.2. I don't see any difference. Of course there's lots of other differences, x86_64 for one. Works on all my hardware as well, except for the HDMI part. I fixed the package manager so that the packages would show up in the menu, but then I never checked to see if it actually would download a package, just dumb.

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numlock

#33 Post by DC »

Hi
This version of numlockx works with Fatdog64 on my laptop.

I copy it to /usr/bin
usage:
numlockx on

On my 32bit desktop I used to put it in /root/.xinitrc (hidden file)
but a script in startup works fine.

included is a script for laptops and USB keyboards when connected at boot up.
copy numlockx to /usr/bin and put "laptop_numlock64" in /root/startup

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#34 Post by kirk »

I think I have fixed the package manager, there was a file missing from /root/.packages. I'll attach it. I've also uploaded some pet packages. Right now I guess we're in a holding pattern waiting for 2.6.34.
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#35 Post by emil »

compiling R statistic package with Fatdog and its dev package was straigthforward (./configure, make, make install). great work.

however after some simple benchmarks I see no real performance gain compared to the 32 bit version.

This is from config log:

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Target: x86_64-t2-linux-gnu
Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --libdir=/usr/lib64 --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --infodir=/usr/info --mandir=/usr/man --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --disable-debug --with-libpam --with-pam --enable-libpam --enable-pam --build=x86_64-t2-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-t2-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-t2-linux-gnu --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-checking --disable-bootstrap --disable-libstdcxx-pch --enable-multilib --with-gnu-as --with-gnu-ld --enable-threads=posix --enable-libgcj --with-ecj-jar=/initrd/mnt/dev_save/t2/t2-trunk/download/mirror/e/ecj-4.3.jar --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,java,fortran --enable-shared
Did I miss some optimisation?
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#36 Post by kirk »

Did I miss some optimisation?
Don't know. If you haven't already done so, do ./configure --help and see if there any options that might help and check the README file if there is one. Some programs aren't written to take advantage of x86_64 or SSEx. I built Alpha1's packages for both 32bit and 64bit. With the exact same packages and kernel version, HandbrakeCLI (which is very CPU intensive) is about 20% faster on 64bit.

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Polynomial Game

#37 Post by emil »

I testet Polynomial Game demo - it seems to work basically, but graphics stuttered on my Laptop - may be a known issue with my nvidia graphic system.
Interesting: 32 bit Binaries don't work in Puppy 431, but 64 bit Binaries seem to work in Fatdog.

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4 gig ram

#38 Post by Revolverve »

Look like Fatdog dont like 4 gig of ram , goes well with 2... could be related with the intel gm965 integrated graphic chips or soft , had the same problem with Vista!!!!/#&?32bit (ok with 2 gig also), they freeze on desktop with garble video,both. My el cheapo Gateway t-6815 laptop boosted with an intel ES t8300 cpu (cheap too...) fly with that 64bit beast. Could there be a boot argument to had ?? Funny because every other Puppy`s is fine with 4 gig,does not see it all , example:only 3151Mb in 431 ,but run fine .

Good work!! keep it up!

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#39 Post by jamesbond »

emil,

Puppy 4.3.1 libs are rather outdated, that may be the reason, while fatdog64 build is rather recent. You can try the 32-bit build on Quirky or Wary, I bet it should work as well. But thank you for pasting the link - I haven't tried it yet but from the site it looks rather interesting :)

Revolverve,
That's odd. The primary purpose of 64-bit OS is to be able to use more than 2 GB of RAM, it should not choke when your machine has 4GB of RAM or more - in fact it should be happier! I have 3 different machines with 4GB of RAM, and they all successfully run Fatdog w/o problem. Graphics could be the problem ... Fatdog uses the new KMS graphics, and unfortunately it doesn't work well with some cards, and it will disable the text console while it's booting. Wait for a new version soon which will give the text console back, and then we can trace your issue from there.
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Boot Issue

#40 Post by Fishy »

I just unleashed my dual core AMD processor and now have a functioning 4 core cpu. Lucid puppy seems to run much faster so I thought that I would give Fatdog a try. :D

Loading proceeds normally (I think) but ends after vmlinux says ready with the cursor blinking on the line above. Nothing but a hard reboot works :cry: .

Downloaded twice, md5sum both checked okay.

Asus M4A78T-E motheboard, AMD Phenom II processor, ISO checked in both two and four core configuration.

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Testing Fatdog64-500rc2

#41 Post by Furanshisuko »

Hello to all!

My friend and I use a computer to edit video for work. Now we have that computer running Windows XP Pro 32 bits and Adobe Premier CS4.

I Think that a 64 bits architecture may work faster to encode-decode video, and save time to improve our bussiness; but because I`ve been using puppy with my notebook since several months, I hate the idea of updating to a more bloated software.

So I decided to give it a try and right now, I`m writing from Fatdog64-500rc2.

Here are some issues I have:

- The Net-wizard fails to setup dhcp ip, and Pwireless too.
Casually I had a very basic script to conect from terminal and made possible for me to conect to internet.

- I Haven`t found a CPU Frequency Scaling Tool.

- Kino has been very alien for me and my friend, a tool with a time line and layers like OpenShot would be better (also it has different features), is it posible to get a PET Package of it for 64 bits?

- How do I make a DVD with chapters from different videos?
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#42 Post by kirk »

- The Net-wizard fails to setup dhcp ip, and Pwireless too.
Casually I had a very basic script to conect from terminal and made possible for me to conect to internet.
Do you know what chipset your wifi card uses? Did you use iwconfig to connect?
- I Haven`t found a CPU Frequency Scaling Tool.


There's not one. Intel and AMD make special laptop CPUs for a reason :) .
- Kino has been very alien for me and my friend, a tool with a time line and layers like OpenShot would be better (also it has different features), is it posible to get a PET Package of it for 64 bits?

- How do I make a DVD with chapters from different videos?
I've did very little video editing. Someone asked about Openshot a while back. I think it had a lot of dependencies, python for one. Python is in the devx file if someone would like to try.

Final is coming soon!

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Using Fatdog64 beta3 and liking it a lot

#43 Post by Sit Heel Speak »

Hi kirk,

I have been using Fatdog64-500 beta3 for about a week now, on an AMD64 x2 6000+. What a treat!

Also tried it on a new Phenom II quad-core, also impressive. Hardinfo sees all 4 cores.

FPU Raytracing score on both is around 9. A little faster on the x2, probably because this machine has two sticks of DDR2 ram, the Phenom machine only 1.

It has no problem selecting the Radeon driver on an ATi 4550 card.

This bids fair to become my regular OS on my regular machine~

Cheers,
SHS

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#44 Post by jamesbond »

- I Haven`t found a CPU Frequency Scaling Tool.

Actually, I observe that all the modules required for cpu scaling is there. All you need is the GUI - and there is one. You can try this one http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=45143 - remember YMMV - I haven't tested it myself. If you do test it, let us now whether it works :)

Compiling OpenShot is a big project, I have the same itch but I can't pull myself doing it yet :p
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#45 Post by Furanshisuko »

That gui for the frequency scaling tool gave me this error:
Fail - Module powernow-k8 is not compatible
Please try another module
Of course that I`ve tryed other modules too, but that module was the one when working with other puppy versions..

BTW my pc for testing is an Acer Aspire 5050, which has an Atheros AR5007EG Wireless Network Adapter.

This is my little script to connect:

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#!/bin/sh
ifconfig wlan0 up
iwconfig wlan0 essid "linksys"
iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
dhcpcd -nd wlan0
Thanx for the help, this is a great proyect, and is perfect for some heavy video editing. Maybe we can ask to the person who built the PET package of Openshot for 32 bits.
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#46 Post by Lobster »

Compiling OpenShot is a big project, I have the same itch but I can't pull myself doing it yet
:cry:
I have been using Openshot in Ubuntu
Nothing else - well maybe kino
is simple, obvious and just works

Openshot was compiled for Puppy but did not display properly for me
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 339#336508

It makes perfect sense that more modern Puppy OS
should be running more demanding software 8)
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oui

#47 Post by oui »

Hi

I agree...

Same thing with gnucash: it is actually the only one Linux software able to process with security chip cards and that only in the self compiled version!

An Fatdog needs definitively Skype . No distribution is complete without offering skype (it works good on U 10.4 but nothing to do in Debian SID for AMD 64 :oops: ) or kopete + skype or the new version of pidgin able to operate with skype.

For students and school one music sheet editor is a must: no complete educative work is possible without that. not only for music people (and there is no help online: you can write texts, or spread sheets, or chat online with zoho or meebo etc. nothing to do with music sheets... the only one thing you can do is try to use somewhat from the Microsoft world in wine :roll: :idea: ...)

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#48 Post by kirk »

Furanshisuko,

Frequency scaling may not do you any good. I read an article years ago about a guy who did some tests with a laptop that had a Pentium M. He removed the battery and connected an amp meter to the power supply, then did tests with the CPU at various frequencies and loads. With the CPU at (near) idle, the power consumption was the same regardless of the frequency. Under load, the lower frequencies used less power, but took proportionately longer to finish the task. So it seems that Intel (and probably AMD) have in their microcode routines to adjust frequency based on load, which only makes sense if your putting that much engineering into something. Intel clams on their web site that their laptop CPUs "automatically adjusts to users' unique workloads and reduces power consumption"

oui,

Skype is a binary download only (as far as I know) and is only 32bit. Yes, they do make a package for 64bit Ubuntu, but if you download that package you'll find it's binary is compiled 32bit. So Ubuntu 64bit must have a complete set of 32bit libraries available.

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#49 Post by jamesbond »

kirk wrote:Skype is a binary download only (as far as I know) and is only 32bit. Yes, they do make a package for 64bit Ubuntu, but if you download that package you'll find it's binary is compiled 32bit. So Ubuntu 64bit must have a complete set of 32bit libraries available.
Was about to say the same thing. Not even that, the so-called "static" package is not even statically-compiled - it's another dynamic 32-bit binaries with QT libs thrown in. So, it still doesn't work. A fully-static image will work (for example, try the static aaphoto - you will find that although it's a 32-bit binary, it works under FD64).

So what we can do? That's the problem with closed-source software - if it doesn't work, there is nothing that one can do. Perhaps you want to beg them to open their code, or at least, provide a real 64-bit binaries?

RC2 contains pidgin, actually, but I'm not aware that it's compatible with skype?

On the up side, I managed to compile openshot. It's 30MB pet and uses about 75MB after installation. Some of the icons are missing - but at least it seems to work :). Note - you need python, which is available in devx. If you don't want the devx, then you'll need to get the python packages from t2-packs yourself.

cheers!
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#50 Post by oui »

Hi Jamesbond
jamesbond wrote:So, it still doesn't work.
I am sorry, but it's wrong: On the site of Skype it is named "for Ubuntu" and it works correctly in Ubuntu 64 (but not in Debian 64). If you want, we can skype together, you with your 32 bit puppy and I with my Ubuntu 10.4 for AMD 64 :D ... It works: I did erase my Debian Sid partition for this reason to use Ubuntu and Skype and it is for me completely indifferent in which format it works: Important is only that the main functions of the globally installed software and not only Skype happens as exact as today possible according to the destination of the CPU and hardware design.

But renounce today to Skype? No. Consequently No...

For the same reason you can see on the forum that I regulary work with Quirky and that I consider, that I can't work any more with fatdog, because Skype works in Quirky and not in fatdog and I can't shut me down from rest of the world in fatdog as I am a Skype user thank Puppy years and years (puppy did propose all the time Skype as the rest of the Linux world did try to promote ekiga, the GnomeMeeting. It was the best choice: Ekiga did never reach the diffusion of Skype at all, so that the Ekiga user are in a closed restrictive areal...)

The matter is not if the software actually uses in all situations the full power of the hardware but if it allow an optimal globally use of it in actual kind of view.

Concerning this detail, I would like to refer you to the introduction of "Pelicanhpc" concerning the data format and the very bad usage of the ability of hardware.
Perhaps we also have in the next time a composed Puppy super computer in the manneer of Pelicanhpc clusters :idea: if we take care to optimise the use of the middle that we have at our disposition?

Bye

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