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Lobster
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Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15109 Location: Paradox Realm
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 02:17 Post subject:
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Development meeting
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/meeting30May2010/
Forum thread
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=421098#421098
Agenda
Meets and greets
Reports from active Puppys
Developer Discussion
Any other business
Set next meeting
Close and thanks
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James C

Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4742 Location: Kentucky
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 03:01 Post subject:
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| 01micko wrote: |
Man, we commend the work you've done around here, plenty of it . Why don't you follow woof? You can of course as you know, build a Tpup, all native Puppy, weighing in at around 100MB. Without ridiculous Gnome dependencies. . I'm not too sure Barry is interested in his "Very Wary " effort, using the 2.6.30.5 kernel from 431 and Xorg 7.3.
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I just happened to be running Ttuuxxx's Tpup 001 tonight.Still have it installed on my test box and other than Abiword not wanting to play nicely it would be a pretty solid starting point.Other than the 2.3.31.5 kernel it's pretty much "regular" Puppy.
There are lots of interesting possibilities in the ever-expanding Puppy universe.
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01micko

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7019 Location: qld
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 05:55 Post subject:
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| Quote: | | I'm not too sure Barry is interested in his "Very Wary " effort, using the 2.6.30.5 kernel from 431 and Xorg 7.3. |
Um, I should re-phrase that. I meant that IMO Barry is doing very-wary as more of an afterthought for those with older gear. We all know his main focus is Quirky.
There, that's better!
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jemimah

Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 4309 Location: Tampa, FL
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 09:40 Post subject:
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| 01micko wrote: |
What we need is more developers... are we going to attract them without a bone?
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What definitely won't attract new developers is infighting within the community. It seems rather unlikely that we can get everybody together and all agree on a single vision for Puppy. And that's ok - having multiple puplets that implement different ideas is better than one compromise-puplet that doesn't do anything particularly well.
What attracted me to Puppy is the open, collaborative, community where I get to do my own thing and follow my own ideas. If I had to implement other people's ideas, I'd quickly get bored and leave.
The idea that some puplets are "official" and some are not seems like it's going to cause problems. Perhaps there's a better way to denote puplet quality and level of support that's not guaranteed to alienate people.
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ttuuxxx

Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 10720 Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 10:14 Post subject:
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| jemimah wrote: |
What definitely won't attract new developers is infighting within the community. It seems rather unlikely that we can get everybody together and all agree on a single vision for Puppy. |
The Community editions went pretty good, only a couple of fights, but the end results were excellent.
All we need to do is have a rough outline what the release goals are, etc and start there, maybe even have Barry lend a hand if we get stuck along the way, I'm talking about 100% from scratch. To my knowledge Barry is the only one ever to do it that way, well of course we'll reuse the puppy scripts etc, but all the apps/libs etc should be compiled.
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dejan555

Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 2407 Location: Montenegro
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 10:38 Post subject:
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Yay pupians on IRC
Well, since there are now many ways to build puppy and Barry started naming projects differently as he did with Quirky maybe we should have official "puppy linux" versions to be "puppy puppy" builds meaning building puppy from own packages and have other upup/dpup/whatever builds as separate projects and not jumping from repo to repo on every different release. That way we're not making progress because of simple reason that is confirmed with 5.0 - different base causes different hardware support and different bugs.
And the reason we're doing it is we simply don't have enough packages in puppy's own repo and they don't get updated and recompiled to match newer kernels and software versions. I mean look - pidgin 2.4 is still in official repo that doesn't work for anyone most of the people joining IRC for support first ask about pidgin not working with their MSN accounts and ayttm crashing on MSN too
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shariebeth
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 271 Location: Florida
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 10:57 Post subject:
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| jemimah wrote: | | What definitely won't attract new developers is infighting within the community. | Agreed.
| Quote: | | It seems rather unlikely that we can get everybody together and all agree on a single vision for Puppy. And that's ok - having multiple puplets that implement different ideas is better than one compromise-puplet that doesn't do anything particularly well. | Agreed again.
| Quote: | | What attracted me to Puppy is the open, collaborative, community where I get to do my own thing and follow my own ideas. If I had to implement other people's ideas, I'd quickly get bored and leave. | Nobody wants you to do either. There is a difference between organizing and making sure all of the needs of puppy users are met, than trying to force you to do what you don't want to do.
| Quote: | | The idea that some puplets are "official" and some are not seems like it's going to cause problems. Perhaps there's a better way to denote puplet quality and level of support that's not guaranteed to alienate people | This is EXACTLY what is needed!
| Lobster wrote: | Ttuuxxx I am happy to report that the IRC (click on desktop chat)
is now capable of supporting meetings after its recent expulsion
of those suffering from voluntary tourette syndrome
The most you might find is a lost troll
or crazy cructacean . . .
Maybe something can be arranged in a few weeks time |
*sighs* You still don't get it, do you.
Are concerned Puppy citizens welcome/allowed to this meeting? Or just selectively so? I for one am thrilled to see this, not that most of you care
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jemimah

Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 4309 Location: Tampa, FL
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 11:27 Post subject:
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| ttuuxxx wrote: |
The Community editions went pretty good, only a couple of fights, but the end results were excellent.
All we need to do is have a rough outline what the release goals are, etc and start there, maybe even have Barry lend a hand if we get stuck along the way, I'm talking about 100% from scratch. To my knowledge Barry is the only one ever to do it that way, well of course we'll reuse the puppy scripts etc, but all the apps/libs etc should be compiled.
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I admit, part of the appeal of Puppy for me is the handcrafted, built from scratch concept, and woof is huge step away from that. My guess is though - that trying to do community edition skipping woof entirely could be extremely divisive. Maybe not.
Personally though, the project sounds fun to me, and I'd like to help.
I wonder if it would take too long though - if we can't generate good momentum soon enough or fast enough it's difficult to keep things moving.
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big_bass

Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 1736
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 13:05 Post subject:
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I think most will agree that there is a need for teamwork
most of the troubles though are due to "trying to be the one to rule the planet and not just being yourself "
seeing strengths in other people is a good thing
while some people see it as threat
knowing where you shine and other people shine
create overlapping skills that complement each other
mostly the drive you have dictates what you have interest in
if you have interest in art work desktops icons themes and such thats your strong point
not saying that you can't do other things you will
only be happy doing what your good at though
that's just my thoughts on that not a rule
and this same idea goes for programmers ,techs,etc...
when you focus on what you are good at
good things follow
new friendships are made old friendships are healed
life continues happily on its way
Joe
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Lobster
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Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15109 Location: Paradox Realm
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 15:25 Post subject:
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Guys
there will be a meetings on Sunday on the open chat forum
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/meeting30May2010
Everyone is welcome,
though our primary interest is providing a meeting
for developer exchange.
If need be (Ttuuxxx has expressed an interest)
private chats just for developers can be arranged
though that can easily happen through pm, email,
Barrys blog, Jemimahs Puppee forum and so on
Suggested 'Reports from active Puppys'
can take the form of a brief intro
and Q & A
on for example
Puppy 5, 5.1, Slaxer_Pup, Quirky, Puplet creators
. . . depends who turns up
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tubeguy

Joined: 28 Aug 2009 Posts: 1278 Location: Park Ridge IL USA
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Posted: Mon 24 May 2010, 16:30 Post subject:
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| Lobster wrote: | Everyone is welcome,
though our primary interest is providing a meeting
for developer exchange. |
Looking forward to lurking. I'm no dev but I'm a good fly on the wall.
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scsijon
Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 923 Location: the australian mallee
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Posted: Tue 25 May 2010, 20:32 Post subject:
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I hope to "attend" if I may.
I'd also like to expand and put my idea forward again that it's time the puppy system grew up and had two component stages.
Puppy 6 may be that time!
The first stage is the core, that part of puppy that should be a "bare-bones of bare-bones". Consisting of the system and basic utilities only, covered under the menu as filesystem, utility, and above, but not including any applications other than a tiny (basic non-invasive) browser. It should be java aware by default. All configuration components should be working towards being interfaced via the browser, then many help directions and messages can be available. I believe there is even a text type browser out there somewhere, that can be used for the pre-x stages.
The second stage consists of applications and packages of applications. The only requirement is that they must be inclusive. In other words, would have no component that is reliant on another package or set of packages. I would only put a restriction on this group of a requirement of having an individual .pet for each application in their .sts package set. This is so those that only want one application can have access to it.
I think you would find that many groups would willing to work to this matrix, as they wouldn't have to supply the core level part, only what is required to meet their version.
i'll add more later (washing for the line calls )
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Jim1911
Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 2353 Location: Texas, USA
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Posted: Tue 25 May 2010, 21:17 Post subject:
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| scsijon wrote: | | The first stage is the core, that part of puppy that should be a "bare-bones of bare-bones". Consisting of the system and basic utilities only, covered under the menu as filesystem, utility, and above, but not including any applications other than a tiny (basic non-invasive) browser. It should be java aware by default. All configuration components should be working towards being interfaced via the browser, then many help directions and messages can be available. I believe there is even a text type browser out there somewhere, that can be used for the pre-x stages. | Barry's woof is already the core. From there, the possibilities are endless.
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shariebeth
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 271 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue 25 May 2010, 21:38 Post subject:
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| scsijon wrote: | I hope to "attend" if I may.
I'd also like to expand and put my idea forward again that it's time the puppy system grew up and had two component stages.
Puppy 6 may be that time!
The first stage is the core, that part of puppy that should be a "bare-bones of bare-bones". Consisting of the system and basic utilities only, covered under the menu as filesystem, utility, and above, but not including any applications other than a tiny (basic non-invasive) browser. It should be java aware by default. All configuration components should be working towards being interfaced via the browser, then many help directions and messages can be available. I believe there is even a text type browser out there somewhere, that can be used for the pre-x stages.
The second stage consists of applications and packages of applications. The only requirement is that they must be inclusive. In other words, would have no component that is reliant on another package or set of packages. I would only put a restriction on this group of a requirement of having an individual .pet for each application in their .sts package set. This is so those that only want one application can have access to it.
I think you would find that many groups would willing to work to this matrix, as they wouldn't have to supply the core level part, only what is required to meet their version.
i'll add more later (washing for the line calls )
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Ehhhm sounds like Arch Linux
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scsijon
Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 923 Location: the australian mallee
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Posted: Wed 26 May 2010, 03:45 Post subject:
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Arch Linux?
will have a look at it, i'm ex-suse myself
scsijon
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