Quirky 1.0 feedback

[aarf]

quirky 100 without a pupsave connects consistently to wifi with simple network setup but fails to connect consistently when pupsave is present when using both sns and classic.

still failing. this is from the log in the sns. when it advises of failure to connect, today is may 12 and this is todays attempt

LAST 10 LINES of /var/log/messages:
May 7 17:14:28 puppypc daemon.notice modprobe: WARNING: Could not open 'kernel/sound/core/snd-page-alloc.ko': No such file or directory
May 7 17:14:28 puppypc daemon.notice modprobe: WARNING: Could not open 'kernel/sound/soundcore.ko': No such file or directory
May 7 17:14:28 puppypc daemon.notice modprobe: WARNING: Could not open 'kernel/sound/core/snd.ko': No such file or directory
May 7 17:14:28 puppypc daemon.notice modprobe: WARNING: Could not open 'kernel/sound/core/snd-timer.ko': No such file or directory
May 7 17:14:28 puppypc daemon.notice modprobe: WARNING: Could not open 'kernel/sound/core/snd-pcm.ko': No such file or directory
May 7 17:14:28 puppypc daemon.notice modprobe: WARNING: Could not open 'kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec.ko': No such file or directory
May 7 17:14:28 puppypc daemon.notice modprobe: FATAL: Could not open 'kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko': No such file or directory
May 8 16:14:28 puppypc user.info kernel: retrovol[26627]: segfault at 13 ip b76ac2e2 sp bfad13b8 error 4 in libasound.so.2.0.0[b7680000+9b000]
May 8 00:15:57 puppypc daemon.notice acpid: exiting
May 8 00:15:58 puppypc daemon.err dhcpcd: dhcpcd not running

[broomdodger]

quirky100 frugal
xfontsel does not launch when clicked from the menu or from console

[Béèm]

All of these upgrades fix bugs in previous version...

I have upgraded 'xf86-video-ati' to version 6.13.0.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... 3.0-q1.pet

Would you guys running Quirky 1.0 and who have the 'geode', 'ati' or 'radeon' video hardware, mind testing these new PETs?

Installed the pet on my Radeon Mobility 7500 machine.
Did run xorgwizard and verified if the radeon driver was selected and loaded. It was ok.

Didn't had problems before, so difficult to say if there is improvement.

But in the whole operation I lost 8MB of my save file. I am puzzled.

[aarf]

pfx=ram, seamonkey, can't get this video to play http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm?N= ... aMOHpk.asf
and none of the channels on that page

Select Channel
Asia Pacific Europe US

produce anything either. may be my connection which can download at speed.

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 wget http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm?N=video&T=Cameron+Speaks+After+Becoming+U.K.+Prime+Minister+&clipSRC=mms://media2.bloomberg.com/cache/vnojqpaMOHpk.asf
[1] 30661
[2] 30662
# --2010-05-12 15:48:30--  http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm?N=video
Resolving www.bloomberg.com (www.bloomberg.com)... 203.69.113.34
Connecting to www.bloomberg.com (www.bloomberg.com)|203.69.113.34|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 9784 (9.6K) [text/html]
Saving to: `avp.htm?N=video'

100%[======================================>] 9,784       22.1K/s   in 0.4s    

2010-05-12 15:48:32 (22.1 KB/s) - `avp.htm?N=video' saved [9784/9784]

but no video to be seen like that either.

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# wget mms://media2.bloomberg.com/cache/vnojqpaMOHpk.asf
mms://media2.bloomberg.com/cache/vnojqpaMOHpk.asf: Unsupported scheme `mms'.
# 

gnomeplayer and pupTV both give video but no sound with
[url]mms://media2.bloomberg.com/cache/vnojqpaMOHpk.asf[/url]
so puppy has a built-in revolutionary new method for listening to politiians. puppy pioneering a new world note the pregnant wife in the background suitably gagged and bound..

[Béèm]

Quirky 100
I expected the /tmp to be cleared at shutdown and rebuild at next boot.
But when I look in it I see files which have a date 21 hours earlier.
How is this possible?
(fortunately the bootxxx.log files have the date/hour of the boot time, indicated by the red line.

[aarf]

more on sns failing with pupsave

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# defaultconnect   
EXIT="Interface_wlan0"
/usr/sbin/sns: line 653: 10755 Terminated              xmessage -center -bg orange -buttons "" "Please wait, scanning for wireless networks..."

(nicoedit:11334): GtkSourceView-CRITICAL **: gtk_source_language_manager_get_language: assertion `id != NULL' failed
EXIT="abort"
# /usr/sbin/sns
EXIT="Interface_wlan0"
/usr/sbin/sns: line 653: 13829 Terminated              xmessage -center -bg orange -buttons "" "Please wait, scanning for wireless networks..."
EXIT="Interface_wlan0"
/usr/sbin/sns: line 653: 15065 Terminated              xmessage -center -bg orange -buttons "" "Please wait, scanning for wireless networks..."
# 

[panzerpuppy]

Now I know what's the problem with the proprietary ATI driver (Catalyst / fglrx 10.4) and Quirky.

The kernel in Quirky 1.0 is a bit new (k2.6.33) and Catalyst 10.4 only supports kernels up to 2.6.32.

A patch is needed to make it work with the newer kernels. There are patches available for Ubuntu, Debian, Arch Linux and Kanotix which make the driver work with k2.6.33 and 2.6.34.

But how to patch the driver to work in Puppy/Quirky?

Can someone make a patched .PET package for Quirky?

[broomdodger]

xfontsel does not launch

quirky100 frugal

Missing one link and one file:
/usr/bin/xfontsel
/usr/X11R7/bin/xfontsel

copied these from puppy 431 and it works.
.

[jpeps]

The time has finally come to test the latest Opera snapshot and think about the possible inclusion of Opera in a future Quirky release.

This build is unbelievably fast and stable. If you though Opera 10.10 was fast, you'll be blown away by the speed of 10.54. The Flash and font issues are fixed, so the latest build can finally be used for normal browsing.

Here's a fat-free package of the latest snapshot I made for Quirky:

Opera 10.54 fat-free package for Quirky

NOTE: Just make sure you disable smooth scrolling (a major CPU hog) in the Opera preferences. It's turned ON by default.

Enjoy and share your experience

synth

Uses less resources than Firefox, although more than SeaMonkey. Is there a way to move the window?

[BarryK]

Seamonkey 1.1.18??? If Quirky is an experimental version, why are we working with an old version of Seamonkey? So then, is Quirky gonna be like Debian Lenny (stable)? Wouldn't it be better, more progressive to work on integrating Seamonkey 2.x?

You need to read me blog! There were reasons for staying with 1.1.18, but the next Quirky will have 2.0.4, as a couple of the problems with the 2.x series have been solved.

[BarryK]

Great work as usual, Barry.

The screen is so dim I can barely make out the icons. Background is dark blue.

Things are fine in 4.3.1 (full install)

Tried 2GTK color chooser and Nathan's Wallpaper trying for lightest,brightest screen display possible and made a slight improvement by using the citrus theme, but still barely usable.

Searched thread, no one else seems to have the problem.

Probably me, notQ1, so would appreciate any direction.

Pavilion zv5120us notebook 512Gb Radeon

Regards, retr3

I have posted an upgraded ati/radeon driver, could you test that?

[oui]

Hi I am using the initial radeon driver. No problem on my laptop.

[synth]

A much better Opera package based on today's snapshot is now available for download from the link below.

This build fixes a lot of stuff and further improves the usability of Opera for Linux.

I removed even more (unnecessary) stuff this time, making this the lightest .PET package of Opera ever. This is the one to test.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hlxknp

Make sure you disable smart scrolling in the Opera preferences and limit the memory cache to 20 MB, so it uses the least amount of resources.

Also decrease the Max Window History Lines from 50 to 8 in opera:config to use even less memory.

Enjoy! Woof-Woof!

Uses less resources than Firefox, although more than SeaMonkey. Is there a way to move the window?

Try the latest build from this post and follow the instructions posted here to minimize the resource munch.

[jpeps]

A much better Opera package based on today's snapshot is now available for download from the link below.

This build fixes a lot of stuff and further improves the usability of Opera for Linux.



Try the latest build from this post and follow the instructions posted here to minimize the resource munch.

That solved the window issue. There's a problem with video's stalling after about a minute, which doesn't happen with firefox or seamonkey. Here's the video I used:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KJdDnQ1 ... e=featured

Here's resources on my Dell Latitude after the stall:

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Mem: 545032K used, 489592K free, 0K shrd, 32672K buff, 375916K cached
CPU:   7% usr   5% sys   0% nic  86% idle   0% io   0% irq   0% sirq

Edit: maybe needs to be moved to an opera thread??

[TrailerTrash]

Hi Barry,

Thanks for your efforts on behalf of we who do not know how to hack 3G wireless nets.

I just gave a test drive to Quirky 1.00 and thought it was near perfect. Only one glitch. Using two different computers when I probe for cell modem it returns "USB0" which is correct but on the next step the program freezes up requiring reboot. Here are some processor ID's for you.

1. AMD Phenom Quad
2. Pentium M

I live in an area where there is no CATV and thus no easy or inexpensive broadband available. For 7 years I've been on dialup. ISDN is also out of the question. I am luckier than some out here as I live on top of a mountain and do have a cell signal from a repeater some miles away on another mountain top. Two months ago I started Verison cell modem service. They use the Novatel USB760 wireless modem. So far I have not been able to get online with any linux distro. Puppy seems to be the best there is with this new release. The prospects for broadband access seem closer than ever.

I will be patient and hopefully someone else who knows how to identify a bug will do so and it can be fixed. That is, if it is a bug. when I finally get online with Puppy I can retire my XP to "offline games only".

No answer to this is necessary. I know you are busy.

I will carry the Quirky DVD with me and try it on other computers as chance allows.

JPS


ps The avatar picture is not me. I ain't quite that ugly.

[BarryK]

Hi Barry,

Thanks for your efforts on behalf of we who do not know how to hack 3G wireless nets.

I just gave a test drive to Quirky 1.00 and thought it was near perfect. Only one glitch. Using two different computers when I probe for cell modem it returns "USB0" which is correct but on the next step the program freezes up requiring reboot. Here are some processor ID's for you.

1. AMD Phenom Quad
2. Pentium M

I live in an area where there is no CATV and thus no easy or inexpensive broadband available. For 7 years I've been on dialup. ISDN is also out of the question. I am luckier than some out here as I live on top of a mountain and do have a cell signal from a repeater some miles away on another mountain top. Two months ago I started Verison cell modem service. They use the Novatel USB760 wireless modem. So far I have not been able to get online with any linux distro. Puppy seems to be the best there is with this new release. The prospects for broadband access seem closer than ever.

I will be patient and hopefully someone else who knows how to identify a bug will do so and it can be fixed. That is, if it is a bug. when I finally get online with Puppy I can retire my XP to "offline games only".

No answer to this is necessary. I know you are busy.

I will carry the Quirky DVD with me and try it on other computers as chance allows.

JPS


ps The avatar picture is not me. I ain't quite that ugly.

The guy who has developed the 3G modem support is rerwin (Richard). Contact him with any questions. There's a forum thread on 3G modem development.

[aarf]

more on sns failing with pupsave

sns failed today again so went to dougal network wizard and wifi connected ok.
exited and went to sns and then sns connected wifi ok.

[dalderton]

Opera Lite is excellent. Lightning.
Regards Dennis

[Iguleder]

Barry, I have some suggestions for you, from my experience with my own distro. I'm sure Quirky's size can be reduced below the 90 MB limit.

• - Use the BFS scheduler for the kernel. It improves performance greatly, even on non-SMP kernels.
  - Rely more on Busybox: you could use its man, less and udhcpc instead of their bigger counterparts and dhcpcd. Also, many things from coreutils can be dropped to save lots of space
  - Get sstrip.c from Buildroot and use it to strip executables in Woof instead of strip. It's great, reduces the size, I think it could be a great addition to Woof.
  - Update Busybox from the unstable 1.16.0 to 1.16.1. The former did many problems here, kept segfaulting and causing problems with permissions. Also, some of its applets don't work as they should. 1.16.1 fixed all issues for me.
  - You could make 2 kernels, one with no SMP for i486 and another one with SMP for i686, so people have more choice. BFS works well this way, I tried it on both SMP and non-SMP kernels.
  - Get AdvanceCOMP and optipng. They can be used to recompress gzip archives and PNG images. The former reduced the size of my initramfs by about 11% and both reduced the total size of my site's graphics by about 15%. They can be useful for archives present inside Woof or all the images in Woof. I think you could add another step to 3builddistro that optimizes all images and gzip archives this way.
  - e3 is very hard to use and can (I mean, should) be replaced with either the Busybox vi, which is easy to use too, or nano, a very easy editor. It depends only on ncurses, so it might be a good idea. Also, its' way better than MP ... 1 good editor to replace the existing 2?

[synth]

That solved the window issue. There's a problem with video's stalling after about a minute, which doesn't happen with firefox or seamonkey. Here's the video I used:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KJdDnQ1 ... e=featured

Known issue with Flash video that should be fixed in the next snapshot...plus lots of other fixes coming up for the known issues (check out their Desktop Team Blog for more info)
The Opera Linux team is "on fire" at the moment, working hard to bring the Linux version on par with the Windows version that offers an almost perfect browsing experience :

With regards to bigger outstanding issues on UNIX (Plugin problems, IME, fixes to fonts and UI/focus bugs), these issues are being worked on, however we still need some more time before we can share with you the fruits of our labour. Thanks for your patience!