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strange times of files in tmp after boot.

#151 Post by Béèm »

strange times of files in tmp after boot.
The red rectangle in the picture indicates the boot time.
Strangely enough, there are files which have a time 21 hours before the boot time.

How does this come?
Fortunately, important files like bootxxx.log seem to be correct.
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#152 Post by puppymartin »

The new file lists of "builtin" packages in Quirky 1.2 makes it easy to uninstall apps before remastering.
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01620

I made a "builtin packages remover".
New version: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 950#422950
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#153 Post by Sylvander »

The latest retro version 1.2rc will not boot on either of my two PC's, when the previous retro version 1.1 booted fine on both. :(

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Re: strip is buggy

#154 Post by BarryK »

tatemono wrote:/bin/e3 crashes after applying strip command to reduce its size.
By the way, strip of Puppy 4.3.1 has the same problem.
We know this. Why are you reporting this as a bug?
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Re: too many vi

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tatemono wrote:I found 2 vi in Quirky 1.2rc.
One is /bin/vi, while the other is an alias, e3vi.
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Re: Please apply shinobar's shell script to fix a bug in JWM

#156 Post by BarryK »

tatemono wrote:After adding a suitable unicode TTF file to Quirky, SeaMonkey displays unicode characters. However, it does not display unicode characters in its title bar. For example, if you visit http://map.yahoo.co.jp/, you cannot see the last 2 characters of "Yahoo!地図" displayed in title bar of SeaMonkey even if Android's TTF is added to the system.

In fact, this problem was solved by shinobar 11 months ago. Please apply his shell script, whose URL is http://shino.pos.to/linux/puppy/jwm_font_repair.sh, to fix a bug in JWM's setting causing this problem.
No, shinobar's script breaks JWM.

The script changes all entries like "DejVu Sans-12" to "DejaVu Sans 12". However, I found long ago that doing that breaks JWM.

If you modify /root/.jwm/jwm-theme:

Code: Select all

<WindowStyle>
    <Font>DejaVu Sans-14</Font>
...the title gets bigger, as expected. However, if you replace the '-' with a space, JWM ignores the size parameter, just uses the system default size, which is 12.

This is really a bug in JWM, it should be raised with the developer.
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Re: clock setting

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Béèm wrote:I think, 95% of the users are unaware of the clock setting local/UTC and will be confused and won't know what to choose.

I think it's a too technical a question to ask.

Before the discussion on the issue, recently, I wasn't aware of this difference either.
The dialog window states that almost all Windows installations use localtime, also it states if in doubt choose localtime. So I don't see the problem.
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Re: strange times of files in tmp after boot.

#158 Post by BarryK »

Béèm wrote:strange times of files in tmp after boot.
The red rectangle in the picture indicates the boot time.
Strangely enough, there are files which have a time 21 hours before the boot time.

How does this come?
Fortunately, important files like bootxxx.log seem to be correct.
This is deliberate. I only need to know if it causes any trouble.
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#159 Post by BarryK »

puppymartin wrote:The new file lists of "builtin" packages in Quirky 1.2 makes it easy to uninstall apps before remastering.
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01620

I made a drag and drop "builtin packages remover".

Install the pet and open two windows:
Window 1: /root/my-applications/bin/remove_builtin_files
Window 2: /root/.packages/builtin_files

Now drag and drop (one by one) the files from window 2 to the script "remove.pl" in window 1

The maps "backup" and "removed" will show you what you did.
Make a backup of your safe-file before using this script!
A thought: when an application is "uninstalled", also delete it's entry in /root/.packages/builtin_files -- would be important thing to do if remastering.
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#160 Post by jpeps »

I've noticed that quirky seems to have difficulty with streaming videos. I tried several browsers after pfix=ram using various youtube videos, and then compared with 4.4, which played them all smoothly with no issues. I'm using a Dell latitude D600 with a gig of ram.

edit: Did more tests...problems consistent in quirky 110 & 112 across all browsers (FF, opera, seamonkey, google-cromium) for same youtube videos that run smoothly in 4.4. Videos stall, get out of sync, etc.
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#161 Post by BarryK »

Sylvander wrote:The latest retro version 1.2rc will not boot on either of my two PC's, when the previous retro version 1.1 booted fine on both. :(
I don't know of any change between 1.1 and 1.2rc that would affect booting.

Please provide more details.
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#162 Post by jrb »

/root/Choices/Mime-types/application_x-chm still reads
exec chmseeshell "$1"
/usr/share/mime/globs still contains
application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document:*.docx

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Re: clock setting

#163 Post by aarf »

BarryK wrote:
Béèm wrote:I think, 95% of the users are unaware of the clock setting local/UTC and will be confused and won't know what to choose.

I think it's a too technical a question to ask.

Before the discussion on the issue, recently, I wasn't aware of this difference either.
The dialog window states that almost all Windows installations use localtime, also it states if in doubt choose localtime. So I don't see the problem.
if your not going to boot to desktop, minimal questions are preferable.
set default to localtime and alter it after desktop is reached if necessary.
my preference is also for get rid of that question.

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#164 Post by Sylvander »

@BarryK
"Please provide more details."
1. Hardware:
PC1 = Compaq Deskpro EN made 1999.
256MB RAM, Pentium-3 800MHz CPU, PCI to IDE SCSI RAID controller card in use.

PC2 = non-proprietary tower of 2002, Asus A7A266, 3x256MB Ram, 1000MHz CPU.

2. Quirky.
(a) Originally Quirky 100 only on PC1.

(b) Updated PC1 to qret-104 worked fine.

(c) On PC2, brought qret-104 into use just fine.

(d) On PC's 1 & 2, attempted to update using CD-RW made using qret-112.
Boot got only as far as attempting loading of 2nd line = initrd.gz [if I remember right], and halting there for long time.
Eventually it reported the problem to me [warning dialog].

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Re: strange times of files in tmp after boot.

#165 Post by Béèm »

BarryK wrote:
Béèm wrote:strange times of files in tmp after boot.
The red rectangle in the picture indicates the boot time.
Strangely enough, there are files which have a time 21 hours before the boot time.

How does this come?
Fortunately, important files like bootxxx.log seem to be correct.
This is deliberate. I only need to know if it causes any trouble.
OK then.
At first sight, it doesn't give trouble unless in case of in depth diagnostic purposes it is important to know when things have happened at which time.
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strange jerky video in youtube.

#166 Post by Béèm »

strange jerky video in youtube (boot with pfix=ram)
I have now 1GB of RAM.
I noticed jerky video when playing from youtube owl city fireflies At that moment the temperature got high and warnings are issued. The laptop is very slow then.
I looked at some other video's and I didn't see that issue, until I played Beyonce Sweat Dreams (Official Music Video) + Lyrics where I had he same issue.

I was aware of the xf86-video-ati-6.13.0-q1 package and installed it and restarted X.
It didn't improve the issue. These two video's were still jerky.

Then I had the idea to replace, in xorg.conf, the radeon driver by the vesa driver, restarted X and did the tests again.
This time the video's played ok, but the laptop still runs hot.

Even when typing this, the fan is going often to cool the laptop.

So I don't know if this jerky video issue is a bug or not, but I wanted to report and also that vesa seems to make the video's run better.
Don't know what the effect of vesa is on my Ati mobility Radeon 7500 controller in comparison with the radeon driver.
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#167 Post by BarryK »

jrb wrote:/root/Choices/Mime-types/application_x-chm still reads
exec chmseeshell "$1"
/usr/share/mime/globs still contains
application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document:*.docx
Hmmm, ok, I'll look at it again.
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Re: clock setting

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aarf wrote:
BarryK wrote:
Béèm wrote:I think, 95% of the users are unaware of the clock setting local/UTC and will be confused and won't know what to choose.

I think it's a too technical a question to ask.

Before the discussion on the issue, recently, I wasn't aware of this difference either.
The dialog window states that almost all Windows installations use localtime, also it states if in doubt choose localtime. So I don't see the problem.
if your not going to boot to desktop, minimal questions are preferable.
set default to localtime and alter it after desktop is reached if necessary.
my preference is also for get rid of that question.
Unfortunately the question has to be asked, for those who have their hardware clock set to UTC. For them, they will have the wrong time if localtime is assumed -- they would then have to run the X app to fix it. So, if we can let those few who set their clock to UTC be inconvenienced, then I guess we can drop the question.
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Re: strange jerky video in youtube.

#169 Post by BarryK »

Béèm wrote:strange jerky video in youtube (boot with pfix=ram)
I have now 1GB of RAM.
I noticed jerky video when playing from youtube owl city fireflies At that moment the temperature got high and warnings are issued. The laptop is very slow then.
I looked at some other video's and I didn't see that issue, until I played Beyonce Sweat Dreams (Official Music Video) + Lyrics where I had he same issue.

I was aware of the xf86-video-ati-6.13.0-q1 package and installed it and restarted X.
It didn't improve the issue. These two video's were still jerky.

Then I had the idea to replace, in xorg.conf, the radeon driver by the vesa driver, restarted X and did the tests again.
This time the video's played ok, but the laptop still runs hot.

Even when typing this, the fan is going often to cool the laptop.

So I don't know if this jerky video issue is a bug or not, but I wanted to report and also that vesa seems to make the video's run better.
Don't know what the effect of vesa is on my Ati mobility Radeon 7500 controller in comparison with the radeon driver.
Q1.2rc doesn't have the latest Adobe Flash player, so I'm wondering if the latest player will improve things ...would you mind downloading and trying it?
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Re: strip is buggy

#170 Post by tatemono »

BarryK wrote:
tatemono wrote:/bin/e3 crashes after applying strip command to reduce its size.
By the way, strip of Puppy 4.3.1 has the same problem.
We know this. Why are you reporting this as a bug?
The file length of stripped /bin/e3 is 208 bytes. I don't think e3 is such a trivial program that its file length is just 208 bytes. Therefore, I suspect that /usr/bin/strip cuts off too many bytes.

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