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#16 Post by Lobster »

Running very well for me
Me too.
Agree with further Quickpet development
Simple, powerful, works.

also . . .
Clicking on date bottom right is not bringing up the calendar
and . . . whilst I am here
I have one of the VLC pets working OK - not sure which one
but that could be added to Quickpet

Also another thing I thought of whilst cycling this morning
Tiered menuing (now we have a simpler menu coding)

Noob Menu (basic features with simple names eg Paint instead of Mt paint)
Puppy User (all features but with simple names)
Full Geek (redirects to website to create your own)
Puppy Raspup 8.2Final 8)
Puppy Links Page http://www.smokey01.com/bruceb/puppy.html :D

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#17 Post by Iguleder »

Hey, sounds like a good plan.

I'd love to help you with development, I think I can help in many areas. I started working on a modified GPicView some time ago and abandoned it, I think I can fix it and change things so it integrates in Lupu perfectly.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 99&t=47495

I can change its name and everything, to make it smaller and lighter. Sounds like a good alternative for the old Viewnior in Puppy.

Also, I think Puppy needs some sound configuration wizard that runs alsaconf, alsamixer and adjusts volume levels. That could be a great thing for people that face problems with getting sound to work. Sort of a 1-2-3 wizard, no sound-alsaconf, still no sound- alsamixer, then it checks volume levels or something. Just an idea.
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#18 Post by 01micko »

Iguleder wrote:Hey, sounds like a good plan.

I'd love to help you with development, I think I can help in many areas.
Welcome aboard!
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#19 Post by Iguleder »

I'll begin with hacking a svn GPicView for Lupu. Sounds like a fun project. Maybe I rebrand it as PImage or something ... :)
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#20 Post by stu90 »

I know 5.0 aim was to have the traditional puppy look / desktop layout but how about a new look/layout for 5.1?

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#21 Post by DC »

Would it be possible to sort out the gcc version problem for a bug release of 5.0 ?

thanks

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#22 Post by 01micko »

stu90 wrote:I know 5.0 aim was to have the traditional puppy look / desktop layout but how about a new look/layout for 5.1?
Integration is the key... :wink:

zigbert already has DuDE which is officially supported in Quickpet. I installed your puppy.look pet over DuDE and had a disaster.. recovered fine though.

I do like your ideas and perhaps you should touch base with ziggy, he's a nice guy.. (although he'd probably want to bang my head for saying that.. he's a head banger...oh.. hang on, so am I! :roll: )

Seriously though, he may want to include your ideas in DuDE. I learned to code off ziggy so it wont do you any harm :wink: . He may even make you an honourary blingy boy 8) .. a true distinction, no joke. It is a part of my Puppy heritage.

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#23 Post by 01micko »

DC wrote:Would it be possible to sort out the gcc version problem for a bug release of 5.0 ?

thanks

DC
Working on it.

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#24 Post by playdayz »

I think Puppy needs some sound configuration wizard that runs alsaconf, alsamixer and adjusts volume levels. That could be a great thing for people that face problems with getting sound to work. Sort of a 1-2-3 wizard, no sound-alsaconf, still no sound- alsamixer, then it checks volume levels or something. Just an idea.
I think that is a good idea too. Be sure to check what is already there as a first step--just a general rule of thumb.
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Before going off tilting at new windmills, maybe a bugfix release for 5.0 would make a little sense? We already have a 5.0 thread with 76 pages full of reported bugs; do we want to repeat that performance with 5.1? Why report bugs that never get fixed?
Yes. There are two update procedures in place. First, the Update feature in Quickpet--the first one will be in a week or so. Second,.a bugfix release 5.0.1 in a month or so, followed by a 5.0.2 if necessary. Concerning bugs that don't get fixed. Some bugs just can't be fixed by us--those are built into Xorg, for instance. We can only look for ways to work around such bugs as those. It might be interesting to look at all the threads since the beginning of uPup development to see what percentage of reported problems have been rectified.

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#25 Post by Iguleder »

playdayz, can you make a thread with a list of bugs and their status, plus a wishlist for 5.1? I think it could be a great idea to do such a thing and make it sticky. And locked maybe, so people don't mess it up with comments.

Another thread can be used for discussion about the development. People can refer to bugs and release goals by their numbers in the list or something, that could be awesome. Just think of it, "I solved #1, here's the fix", "I implemented #4" and so on. Moreover, people can be assigned tasks so the work is done more efficiently.

This way, we can hunt down bugs and release goals one by one easily, everything is presented clearly in front of our eyes.

By the way, does Woof come with all the Lupu stuff already? I'd like to make some Lupu "snapshots" to see if anything changed since the Ubuntu Lucid release. I'm sure it's a good idea to generate snapshots regularly, maybe some bugs (from the future list :wink:) will be solved for us by the Ubuntu guys.
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#26 Post by Jim1911 »

playdayz wrote:Jim1911. The gparted that is in LP5 is the Ubuntu binary. In some earlier versions up to 113 or so, I'm not sure, it was the pet. I replaced it only out of a prejudice for Ubuntu binaries in LP--it was actually bigger. You might try the one in the Puppy Package Manager (the pet). Both gparted's were taking a long time on ntfs drives--eventually displaying them, but very fast on Linux drives. I see what you mean about the uuid's. Let us know if you find one please. Thanks.
Upnorth's fix appears to work fine.
upnorth wrote:gparted is working properly, displaying uuids here.
one thing different is that i dropped in /sbin/blkid obtained from elsewhere.
anyone with quirky could copy its /sbin/blkid to /sbin. it might help gparted.

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#27 Post by pa_mcclamrock »

01micko wrote:Look at Quickpet for example. It is an app that is about six weeks old.Not, even, 4/12/2010 is the date it was created. I haven't seen a complaint about it in the reviews, bug threads, anywhere.
That will never do. :wink: OK, here's one: it needs to be expanded. There should be a Word Processor Installer, comparable to the present Browser Installer; a Window Manager Installer too (for IceWM, at the very least); and maybe some other fairly big packages would be better as optional downloads rather than integral parts of the basic Puppy distro.
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#28 Post by 01micko »

pa_mcclamrock wrote: That will never do. :wink:
haha! Who siad I was finished? :lol:

Now, i've only used abi and Writer (OOorg). Can we get hold of that one you like..is it Softmaker? What other WPs will be suited? While we're at it, what about spread sheets?

We do need to be careful what we take out, there are those that are still on dialup and those who don't even have net access.

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#29 Post by jemimah »

Not to mention that only the main SFS runs in RAM.

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jemimah wrote:Not to mention that only the main SFS runs in RAM.
That is a point rarely made Jemimah. It has a big bearing on the importance of re-mastering, yet the re-master process is still very basic. Only Dougals re-master script produces a true copy, the included script borks most of the customisation, such as additional trays in .jwm.
It is an area ripe for development.
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#31 Post by playdayz »

Not to mention that only the main SFS runs in RAM.
The filesystem also should be in ram?
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#32 Post by cthisbear »

I don't know if this has been mentioned.

I can run an ISO movie in Quirky 1.1 if I set the run action
and drag the media icon into it.

As far as I remember Lucid won't do that.

VLC runs ISO movies if you want to check it out.

I can't remember what Barry is using now.

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#33 Post by playdayz »

gparted is working properly, displaying uuids here.
one thing different is that i dropped in /sbin/blkid obtained from elsewhere.
anyone with quirky could copy its /sbin/blkid to /sbin. it might help gparted.
I dropped in /sbin/blkid from Quirky 018. Where am i supposed to see the uuids?

Got it, right-click -> Information.
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#34 Post by jemimah »

playdayz wrote:
Not to mention that only the main SFS runs in RAM.
The filesystem also should be in ram?
Well, open programs and files are copied to ram by the operating system so they can run, but they live on disk in your save file unless they are in the main sfs. For instance opening a browser that you installed as a pet might take longer than one that's in the SFS, because the files are copied from the disk instead of from the ramdisk.

The main sfs is only copied to ram if the init scripts decide it is on "fast media" such as an HD. Normally if you're running from usb, it is not copied, except if you haven't created a save file. There is an option to force it to get copied.

So, for best performance, and smallest install size, you want to pack as much into the sfs as possible, but the bigger you make it, the more RAM is going to be required to run it. Add-on SFS files are not copied to RAM, but at least you still get the space benefits of compression.

My Ramboot code does copy all the SFS files and the save file to RAM. My goal in writing the code was to make it possible to shut down the hard disks to save power.

But the problem has been how to copy the save file back down to disk if you can't cleanly unmount it. Patriot just posted some code that may have solved this problem for me. I'll be testing the new shutdown script soon!

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#35 Post by 01micko »

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 601#420601

Translate Quickpet HERE

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