Lighthouse Pup 5.00 G 185M

[Béèm]

Like in Quirky, I got frequent pop-up's of high temperature in LH.
I don't have this in the latest lucid's.

I activated CPU Frequency Scaling and the frequency of the pop-up's has decreased, but not ceased. I see clearly that the frequency is adapted in function of the load demand.

But still I wonder why I have this issue in LH (and Quirky) and what can be done about it.

[Béèm]

Fortunately I have 1GB of RAM and the LH sfs is loaded in it.
But still if I see free, it seems to me I have little memory free while running only SeaMonkey.bash-4.1

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# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      1034312       856568       177744            0       126012
 Swap:       391160            0       391160
Total:      1425472       856568       568904
<root> ~
bash-4.1# 

Also I don't experience LH as snappy as I expected.
f.e. I started Sakura and it did take several seconds before I got the window.
(CPU freq is 1.400 GHz, but often running at 0,600GHzwith CPU freq scaling active)

[tazoc]

But in wine, I have no accented characters and ê displays as ^e and ô as ^o.

In lucid I have no problems in wine, so I have the impression that LightHouse is to be incriminated.

Any idea if a correction is possible?

Incriminated uh ohh Maybe you can help me with this. You might try booting with pfix=ram, rename /root/.wine and install a Wine pet. I will try the same when I have a chance. If you try one and it doesn't help, let me know so I can try a different one. There are many more available on the forum--not sure which is best. The last time I updated Wine it was from a Debian package as that was the latest. A Wine 1.2 Final release is coming soon, so if we can find a pet that works maybe there will be a similar pet of 1.2 shortly thereafter.
-TazOC

[tazoc]

Like in Quirky, I got frequent pop-up's of high temperature in LH.
I don't have this in the latest lucid's.

I activated CPU Frequency Scaling and the frequency of the pop-up's has decreased, but not ceased. I see clearly that the frequency is adapted in function of the load demand.

But still I wonder why I have this issue in LH (and Quirky) and what can be done about it.

Hi Béèm,
I don't know. What is your CPU usage typically? Which WM? My dual-core system is running KDE 4 with 14 SFS files layered. My CPU usage is 15-20% with the interactive globe wallpaper and 8-10% with static image wallpaper. My temps are 44C core and 41C case. Sakura opens instantly. Now that it's summer the ambient temp can raise your core temp.

You might look at qps or htop and sort by CPU%, then MEM% to see if there is anything unusual. In KDE 4 disable desktop effects. Logging out and restarting X once in a while is a good idea.
-TazOC

[Béèm]

Like in Quirky, I got frequent pop-up's of high temperature in LH.
I don't have this in the latest lucid's.

I activated CPU Frequency Scaling and the frequency of the pop-up's has decreased, but not ceased. I see clearly that the frequency is adapted in function of the load demand.

But still I wonder why I have this issue in LH (and Quirky) and what can be done about it.

Hi Béèm,
I don't know. What is your CPU usage typically? Which WM? My dual-core system is running KDE 4 with 14 SFS files layered. My CPU usage is 15-20% with the interactive globe wallpaper and 8-10% with static image wallpaper. My temps are 44C core and 41C case. Sakura opens instantly. Now that it's summer the ambient temp can raise your core temp.

You might look at qps or htop and sort by CPU%, then MEM% to see if there is anything unusual. In KDE 4 disable desktop effects. Logging out and restarting X once in a while is a good idea.
-TazOC

I run the base LH 500C with only OOo 3.2c as sfs. No KDE. I am running icewm.
I am not very familiar with interpreting htop. Looked at it, but nothing really struck my mind. And started conky.
See the picture.
CPU goes max to some 15-20%
But strangely conky show 19% of occupancy of ram, while free shows almost all is used.

Strange I tried to open Sakura again and it took 6 seconds, but subsequent openings took less then one second. hmmm.

But as I said, I have the same issue of temp with Quirky. Not anymore with lucid since the last couple of releases (now at 209) A kina hint?

[Béèm]

But in wine, I have no accented characters and ê displays as ^e and ô as ^o.

In lucid I have no problems in wine, so I have the impression that LightHouse is to be incriminated.

Any idea if a correction is possible?

Incriminated uh ohh Maybe you can help me with this. You might try booting with pfix=ram, rename /root/.wine and install a Wine pet. I will try the same when I have a chance. If you try one and it doesn't help, let me know so I can try a different one. There are many more available on the forum--not sure which is best. The last time I updated Wine it was from a Debian package as that was the latest. A Wine 1.2 Final release is coming soon, so if we can find a pet that works maybe there will be a similar pet of 1.2 shortly thereafter.
-TazOC

I downloaded wine 1.2 rc6 pet, but when I install it, what effect will it have as wine 1.44 is already included in LH. In lucid I use a sfs, the 1.39 one.

Will report my findings.

EDIT

So I booted with pfix-ram
Renamed /root/.wine
Installed wine 1.2-rc6-i386.pet
Verified in Sakura that I had indeed wine 1.2-rc6
Opened Wine Wordpad
But none of the accented characters like é à did show in the document.

So I have the same issue still.

[charbaby66]

A little NVidia advice? nv driver works, but I would like the accellerated graphics..the 195 series included will not work for me

in Puppy5 and luci-204-209 I can successfully install and use the NVIDIA-173.14.25_lupu500-k2.6.33.2.pet, and in puppy 4.31 successfully install and use the
NVIDIA-173.14.12-k2.6.25.16.pet

are there options for me with needing the 173 series drivers? The puppy 5 pet will not work -(needs a different xorg i think??) I have downloaded the propriatery driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.25-pkg1.run from NVidia site, but not sure if I will break something if I try adding these drivers to LHP 5.00C

I am a noob so I am half expecting to break something anyway, but I will search the forum for how-to's on how to add it in before I try, but want to make sure that LHP will be able to support these drivers, and any special things I need to know to be successful (same directories? any symlinks or libs to add? etc,)

I really like KDE now that I have seen it LOL had no idea it was so pretty!!
and the SFS's are awesome - are they interchangeable with other puppies or LHP dependant?

thanks for the help and the wow-what -a-puppy-version-LHP-is!!!

[Béèm]

charbaby66,
As for the sfs, as long as they are in the correct version for the OS (in LH, lucid etc.. version 4) they will load at boot, also in other puppies. It might be possible then that a problem of dependencies may arise, but I didn't have the case yet.

Look in the Puppy projects | the next step to puppy 5.1 (the last couple of pages) and you'll find that there is a Xorg_high also for Nvidia which gives more functionality like glx and dri. Maybe that's what you're looking for.

[charbaby66]

Look in the Puppy projects | the next step to puppy 5.1 (the last couple of pages) and you'll find that there is a Xorg_high also for Nvidia which gives more functionality like glx and dri. Maybe that's what you're looking for.

thx Beem . forgot to say I tried that too, before, and that pet also brings black screen and much frustration - my Nvidia GeForce 5200FX doesnt like it
and I do try to check the supported chipsets in the pets I am trying first
LOL I learned that the hard way!! and know it's gotta be a 173.14.25 pet for this card

but In LHP I finally was successful using the NVIDIA-173.14.25_quirky-k2.6.33.2.pet - here's what worked:

- installed it, then exited to prompt, typed "nvidia-xconfig" and restarted x

sadly this driver under LHP is about 1/2 the speed as the puppy 5 and 4.31 173.14,25 pets running in their puppies (LHP approx 6000fps vs puppy5.01/luci-209/puppy4.31 consistent @ 12000 and up to 16000fps tested under glxgears) but that sure beats the 300-500fps with nv driver!


**as long as i stay away from xorgwizard after this install ..i am fine !!!

- if i run it (every way u can including the Nvidia setting) trying to see the new driver (i can't) or probe for the new nvidia driver it gets stuck on the black screen of limbo - and it seems like nv is screwy afterward if i go back to it

( i had to boot from RAM and go back to saved pupfile to start again and get a behaving nv driver back and start again until i decided to keep out of xorgwizard- if my system says it works i dont care if xorgwizard can't see the driver

(maybe it's just me being a clueless noob?) but i will stick to the process above I got to work unless someone knows why i am having that issue)


Video Report: Lighthouse Pup version 5.00-C

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: NV34 Board - p162-1nz Chip Rev


X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nvidia
xorg.conf exists: yes
Video mode used by Xorg: 1024x768 Depth: 24
current xrandr mode: 1024x768 50.0 51.0 52.0

[tazoc]

Thank you Béèm and charbaby66 for the testing results and feedback. I'm downloading CatDude's NVIDIA pets to see if I can modify for LHP compatibility, at least with the Lighthouse 5.00 Xorg Wizard.

Maybe compiling Wine in Lighthouse would help me figure out why keymaps aren't taking in Wine.
TazOC

[tazoc]

So I booted with pfix-ram
Renamed /root/.wine
Installed wine 1.2-rc6-i386.pet
Verified in Sakura that I had indeed wine 1.2-rc6
Opened Wine Wordpad
But none of the accented characters like é à did show in the document.

So I have the same issue still.

Hi Béèm,
Took me several hours (compiling Wine in LHP didn't fix the bug), but I found some clues after installing Wine in Quirky and now I think I've found the reason. The locale directory in /usr/lib/X11/ was missing. Here's a pet of just the missing files. Just close any Wine apps and install the pet.
-TazOC

[charbaby66]

per TazOC

Thank you Béèm and charbaby66 for the testing results and feedback. I'm downloading CatDude's NVIDIA pets to see if I can modify for LHP compatibility, at least with the Lighthouse 5.00 Xorg Wizard.

1. I had reported the NVIDIA-173.14.25_lupu500-k2.6.33.2.pet did not work for me in LHP, but after I calfed a few things and re-installed LHP, I tried installing it as I did the NVIDIA-173.14.25_quirky-k2.6.33.2.pet - and it worked, just not in or via the xorgwizard So maybe you will be able to add either/or both to xorg.. I still find lupu pet slightly faster than quirky

2.. I buggered up my grub install learning correct settings. Wanted to fix from Linux, without resorting to fdisk/mbr unless needed. grubconfig in Puppy luci209 crashed when adding the Linux partition to header file whether simple or expert.. Booted LHP from Cd. grubconfig worked flawlessly!! I am now back frugal and fancyfree. So IMHO LHP's version seems more stable than luci9/lupu?

Question? running on AMD Athlon XP 2100+ 1768Mhz system tried to get cpu frequency scaling tool to work.. none of the modules will load. What am I doing wrong- or need to do? Is my system just too old?

thanks
charbaby66

[tazoc]

1. I had reported the NVIDIA-173.14.25_lupu500-k2.6.33.2.pet did not work for me in LHP, but after I calfed a few things and re-installed LHP, I tried installing it as I did the NVIDIA-173.14.25_quirky-k2.6.33.2.pet - and it worked, just not in or via the xorgwizard So maybe you will be able to add either/or both to xorg.. I still find lupu pet slightly faster than quirky

I re-built the Quirky 173 pet with an updated xorgwizard and Mesa libs from the LHP 195 pet. Please boot LHP 5.00C, just typing ram at the boot menu and install this NVIDIA-173.14.25-k2.6.33.2.pet 14M md5.txt. If it doesn't work on first X restart, please type report-video on the command line before running xorgwizard, and rename /tmp/root/video-report-full.gz to video-report-full-01.gz for later. Then try again with xorgwizard | Option 5--NVIDIA | NVIDIA 173.

If that doesn't work, re-run report-video and when you have a chance, please attach the video-report archives to a reply. Thanks for testing this as I don't have a suitable card.

2.. I buggered up my grub install learning correct settings. Wanted to fix from Linux, without resorting to fdisk/mbr unless needed. grubconfig in Puppy luci209 crashed when adding the Linux partition to header file whether simple or expert.. Booted LHP from Cd. grubconfig worked flawlessly!! I am now back frugal and fancyfree. So IMHO LHP's version seems more stable than luci9/lupu?

I don't know, the grubconfig in LHP5 is from Puppy 4.3.1.

Question? running on AMD Athlon XP 2100+ 1768Mhz system tried to get cpu frequency scaling tool to work.. none of the modules will load. What am I doing wrong- or need to do? Is my system just too old?

I could not get my Athlon XP to scale either. However, the Mariner SFS includes an automatic power-saving feature called Athcool that effectively cools compatible Athlon and Duron CPUs. If a compatible chipset is not detected, Athcool is disabled. You can monitor athcool in a terminal by typing athcool stat or athcool --help
-TazOC

[charbaby66]

I re-built the Quirky 173 pet with an updated xorgwizard and Mesa libs from the LHP 195 pet. Please boot LHP 5.00C, just typing ram at the boot menu and install this NVIDIA-173.14.25-k2.6.33.2.pet 14M md5.txt. If it doesn't work on first X restart, please type report-video on the command line before running xorgwizard, and rename /tmp/root/video-report-full.gz to video-report-full-01.gz for later. Then try again with xorgwizard | Option 5--NVIDIA | NVIDIA 173.

You are very quick on the reply and the answer my friend! the new pet worked perfectly 1st try i feel special you took the time to do it - and it sure beats my sorry hack. Now I know it will work correctly not just work LOL

report-video still attached

I could not get my Athlon XP to scale either. However, the Mariner SFS includes an automatic power-saving feature called Athcool that effectively cools compatible Athlon and Duron CPUs. If a compatible chipset is not detected, Athcool is disabled. You can monitor athcool in a terminal by typing athcool stat or athcool --help
-TazOC

set athcool on, athcool stat tells me :

VIA KT400[A]/KT600 (1106 3189) found
'Disconnect when STPGNT Detected' bit is enabled.
'HALT Command Detection' bit is enabled.

not sure if working
can see cpu load, ram usage, disk space; can't see computer temp, swap usage,fan speed, ACPI in most of the widgets or gadgets - defaults ones used, others tried - conky, pwidgets KDE thingies etc .. all the same before or after trying athcool

think i am missing something somewhere that affects the system not knowing everything about my computer? is there a command to add or remove from my menu.list? (its pretty easy for a noob to miss a simple setting to boot with that can make things work right) mine is based on your command line

one thing i noticed re cpu freq tool , is that the acpi_generic modules and some others listed are not in boot manager at all but others are, arent they all to be there by default? loaded if desired?

someday when i try my hand at recompiling kernels and remastering i may see if I can build to suit this Athlon XP, thanks for letting me know its not just me - i will stop fighting trying to get the scaling tool to work if it doesnt on here!


so far everything else seems to be ok , except the rox filer bug (sure makes renaming a file an event! --- i will apply the fix i saw somewhere soon) and my wireless (using rt73) doesnt always keep its settings but i just run the connect wizard if needed.. im still learning here, and going to find forum fixes for that too)


EDIT: my swap issue seems to be that it was partitioned with luci208 209 or 210 (been testing too many!) and for some reason i am not able to delete and recreate the partition correctly in LHP - remains unallocated and unformatted even after reboot, so fixed partition in luci210 to have it work in LHP i need to manually activate swapon in Gparted or on the command line after every reboot (frugal install or ram) swapon not saved in pupfile swap not loaded on reboot.



but you are a gem TazOC so is your program

and thanks everyone else for taking the time to assist me too

[Barburo]

Hi TazOC,
I just tried Fatdog64 Final and found it super-fast on this notebook (that was built for WIndows7 64 bit). Apps like Firefox were also much quicker in opening and operation, which led me to ponder the whole 64-bit option. Fatdog uses Openbox as the WM with JWM as an alternative, but of course it lacks all of the options and customizations that you've built into LHPup (which for me keeps LHPup at the top of the Puppy world!) Not sure how they went about it, but my Intel integrated chip-set was auto detected and correct screen resolution set up on first boot. I was wondering if you had taken a look at it and whether you have any plans for 64bit version of LHPup any time soon.

Also I found that the version of Xine in Fatdog (looked a bit different) was able to play some old .wmv and .mpg vid files that previously only muppyplayer was able to. I don't have the smarts to figure out whether it was the new version or more codecs included.
B.

[tazoc]

You are very quick on the reply and the answer my friend! the new pet worked perfectly 1st try

Thank you for testing NVIDIA-173.14.25-k2.6.33.2.pet and posting the video-report. There were no errors in the X log. I will add it to the web site along with an NVIDIA-96 pet.

set athcool on, athcool stat tells me :
VIA KT400[A]/KT600 (1106 3189) found
'Disconnect when STPGNT Detected' bit is enabled.
'HALT Command Detection' bit is enabled.

not sure if working

Yes, that indicates it is active.

can see cpu load, ram usage, disk space; can't see computer temp, swap usage,fan speed, ACPI in most of the widgets or gadgets - defaults ones used, others tried - conky, pwidgets KDE thingies etc .. all the same before or after trying athcool

Try sensors-detect in a terminal and follow the prompts. If your hardware has any temp/fan sensors it should find them and list the lines to add to /etc/rc.d/rc.local to load the necessary modules during boot. If sensors were detected and the necessary modules are loaded you can type sensors in a terminal for current readings. If that works, then close and restart gKrellM and enable the sensors in gKrellM configuration.

think i am missing something somewhere that affects the system not knowing everything about my computer? is there a command to add or remove from my menu.list? (its pretty easy for a noob to miss a simple setting to boot with that can make things work right) mine is based on your command line

That's true GRUB is not especially user-friendly. It's a good idea to backup your menu.lst before making changes. My setup has LHP 5.00 boot files in /mnt/home/lhp500 and here is my menu.lst entry:

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title Lighthouse Linux 5.00 (frugal on sda8)
root (hd0,7)
kernel /lhp500/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd pdev1=sda8 psubdir=lhp500 loglevel=3 xforcevesa nomodeset pfix=fsck
initrd /lhp500/initrd.gz

one thing i noticed re cpu freq tool , is that the acpi_generic modules and some others listed are not in boot manager at all but others are, arent they all to be there by default? loaded if desired?

Some kernel modules are loaded automatically by the kernel and others in various scripts. Loading all modules could create conflicts, especially with video drivers. There's no need to load the freq scaling modules if none are compatible with your hardware. Frequency scaling is a relatively new feature, first introduced in some mobile processors and later in desktops.

so far everything else seems to be ok , except the rox filer bug (sure makes renaming a file an event! --- i will apply the fix i saw somewhere soon) and my wireless (using rt73) doesnt always keep its settings but i just run the connect wizard if needed.. im still learning here, and going to find forum fixes for that too)

Try editing /usr/loca/bin/rox

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#!/bin/sh
export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=true
exec /usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/AppRun "$@"

EDIT: my swap issue seems to be that it was partitioned with luci208 209 or 210 (been testing too many!) and for some reason i am not able to delete and recreate the partition correctly in LHP - remains unallocated and unformatted even after reboot, so fixed partition in luci210 to have it work in LHP i need to manually activate swapon in Gparted or on the command line after every reboot (frugal install or ram) swapon not saved in pupfile swap not loaded on reboot.

Best to boot from Lighthouse CD, entering ram at the boot menu prior to running GParted, otherwise some partitions cannot be unmounted. Then in GParted right-click and unmount all partitions, including swap. Then you should be able to create/format/resize as needed. Just be careful with ntfs partitions. If Windows is installed, the Windows boot partition must be at or near the beginning of the drive and resized with Windows Disk Management, not GParted.

If a Linux-swap partition is present, but not automatically enabled at boot, add/modify a swap entry in /etc/fstab

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/dev/sda6        swap             swap        defaults         0   0

substituting /dev/sda6 with your Linux-swap partition. Or add swapon /dev/sda6 to /etc/rc.d/rc.local
-TazOC

[tazoc]

Hi TazOC,
I just tried Fatdog64 Final and found it super-fast on this notebook (that was built for WIndows7 64 bit). Apps like Firefox were also much quicker in opening and operation, which led me to ponder the whole 64-bit option. Fatdog uses Openbox as the WM with JWM as an alternative, but of course it lacks all of the options and customizations that you've built into LHPup (which for me keeps LHPup at the top of the Puppy world!) Not sure how they went about it, but my Intel integrated chip-set was auto detected and correct screen resolution set up on first boot. I was wondering if you had taken a look at it and whether you have any plans for 64bit version of LHPup any time soon.

Hi Barburo,
I haven't tried Fatdog64 yet myself. It sounds like Kirk and jamesbond have done a great job with it. I don't want to leave out the 32-bit machines, including some of my own, and compiling both 32-bit and 64-bit apps would be time-consuming at best. I suppose it will be necessary at some point in the future; I will probably wait until Barry begins to move in that direction.

the version of Xine in Fatdog (looked a bit different) was able to play some old .wmv and .mpg vid files that previously only muppyplayer was able to

I have not compiled Xine myself; could be that is needed or maybe some codecs are missing.
-TazOC

[tazoc]

For Lighthouse Pup 5.00 C or later

NVIDIA-96.43.16-k2.6.33.2-xserver-1.7.7.pet 14M md5.txt Proprietary display driver, supported product list attached below.

Voyager SFS: Xscreensavers 5.11, rss-glx_0.9.1 Really Slick Screensavers, extra games and backgrounds (depends on Mariner)

Compiz-Fusion SFS: Updated to CompizFusion-0.7.9-1f. C-F eye candy and Emerald window decorator
(compatible display adapter and 3D acceleration required, might need ATI/NVIDIA proprietary drivers)

Bibletime-2.7-1a.sfs 39M
-TazOC

[charbaby66]

Thank you for testing NVIDIA-173.14.25-k2.6.33.2.pet and posting the video-report. There were no errors in the X log. I will add it to the web site along with an NVIDIA-96 pet.

Good nice to have the 173 series pet available in a few different derivatives now. LOL I have 3 other AMD Athlon XP 2100+ 1768Mhz w NVidia 5200Fx's obtained from my work upgrading 5 years ago > LHP (even fully loaded) flies
on here esp. compared to XP on its sister. They were all gathering dust until lately. Even if I scavenge some ram from it I bet it will still be faster

Try sensors-detect in a terminal and follow the prompts. If your hardware has any temp/fan sensors it should find them and list the lines to add to /etc/rc.d/rc.local to load the necessary modules during boot. If sensors were detected and the necessary modules are loaded you can type sensors in a terminal for current readings. If that works, then close and restart gKrellM and enable the sensors in gKrellM configuration.

took me awhile to realize I should just say no

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 Do you want to overwrite /etc/sysconfig/lm_sensors? (YES/no):

to see this

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 To load everything that is needed, add this to one of the system initialization scripts (e.g. /etc/rc.d/rc.local):

#----cut here----
# Chip drivers
modprobe it87
modprobe lm90
/usr/bin/sensors -s
#----cut here---- 

dont say default -yes or you get

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Copy prog/init/lm_sensors.init to /etc/init.d/lm_sensors
for initialization at boot time.
You should now start the lm_sensors service to load the required
kernel modules. 

I should?! spent too long lost in file system chasing prog/init/lm_sensors.init couldn't find it -LOL darn noob me! tried to fake my way loaded needed modules manually, but couldnt start them in gKrellM - however since I finally got it right-can *see* it's now working beautifully - temps 5-9C cooler @ at least (@27-36C), fan & sensors now in gKrellM and i feel much smarter! swap, rox fixed too, thx

here is my menu.lst entry:

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title Lighthouse Linux 5.00 (frugal on sda8)
root (hd0,7)
kernel /lhp500/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd pdev1=sda8 psubdir=lhp500 loglevel=3 xforcevesa nomodeset pfix=fsck
initrd /lhp500/initrd.gz

(its pretty easy for a noob to miss a simple setting to boot with that can make things work right) mine is based on your command

i have added the pdev1= glad i was ok throwing pfix=fsck in there was winging it is nosmp needed for LHP? i #'ed out the windows boot info -since i have a fat32 partition but no windows on here.

I understand that due to SFSes it's frugal not full for LHP. Since I was fixing swap anyway I gave LHP its own ext3 partition, and trying a 3fs pupsave now, and left the rest of the kennel on the other partition in ext2, made a fat32 for networking/storage, and the swap. Can I symlink puppys on sda1 to compatible SFSes on sda2, or will bootloader detect them or do i need to copy em to each?

Soon I will attempt to network with various puppies incl LHP on 3 systems, XP/dual on one(i havent mastered wine entirely), and a smaller puppy/98dual
on my old clunker 64mb laptop

below is my updated menu.lst, and a proposed choice to boot LHP from ram in frugal, is it safe to do it this way? - i also noticed -when i copied my spupsave file and have both in /lhp it will give me a choice to use 0. none 1. spupsaveA 2.spupsaveB. Is choosing 0 then equal to booting from cd with pfix=ram or will my fix work or must I always boot from a cd for that?

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# Linux bootable partition config begins
title Lighthouse Pup 490 frugal on sda2
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
kernel /lhp/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd pdev1=sda2 psubdir=lhp xforcevesa nomodeset nmi_watchdog=0 loglevel=3 pfix=fsck
initrd /lhp/initrd.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

#potential new code here

# Linux bootable partition config begins
title Lighthouse Pup 490 ram on sda2
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
kernel /lhp/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd pdev1=sda2 psubdir=lhp nmi_watchdog=0 xforcevesa nomodeset loglevel=7 pfix=ram,fsck
initrd /lhp/initrd.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

#potential new code ends

# Linux bootable partition config begins
title Puppy Linux 210 frugal in sda1 dir luci210
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel /luci210/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=luci210 nosmp
initrd /luci210/initrd.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

once again, thank you 4 the help- i didnt know the utilities you told me about (except gKrellM) wouldn't have had a clue either! Since my fav PIII computer just overheated and died w/o warning (yup was 5years old and had XP) I am a bit paranoid i guess, and wanted to be able to rest easier.I was going to try acpitools if compatible and not for laptop only, didnt get that far - you had all
the answers here for me

[Barburo]

Thanks for new version of Compiz -Fuzion - I'm using it with LXDE.
One oddity is that CF treats the LXDE panel as a separate process that appears as "panel" on the main bar. Sort of reports on itself. Simply restarting X doesn't clear it, but right click on "panel" and "close" wipes out the bar. Then restarting X gets it back again. Doesn't happen consistently. B.